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Sounds like you replaced all the right stuff - more than I usually do unless the parts look bad when I remove them
One thing, what do you mean by the adapter? Is that the assembly that bolts to the spindle and to which the calipers bolt?
If you think you have a safety issue, file a complaint with the NHTSA. You can fill out a complaint form on-line there.
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EW
FYI.
My 2007 DGC has metric on the back. You might try something in metric on the front? Not every vehicle seems to be the same.
NOW - after replaced they are making a rubbinng noise ????? Took them back - they said the rotors needed a little more - something- to make it all even. OK - great - now the noise is gone - but the drivers side smells HORRIBLE after driving it........ HAHA - go figure ! They said it points to maybe a caliper needing to be replaced ... but they couldn't guarantee that when I called back to have it done under warranty because there was no leak or other indications!
I LOVE MY VAN ... but I'm discouraged already with this little problem. HHHMM- then I get here and read all these brake & pad problems with other DGC owners.
ANY THOUGHTS- IDEAS- SOMETHING???????????????
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Ceramic pads are harder than organic or semi-metallic pads, so they are more abrasive to the rotors. Also, ceramic pads being designed for track use, need to reach an operating temperature for them to work at their full effectiveness. Not what most people need or want in their day to day driving.
There are some ceramic composites out their (semi-ceramics?) that advertise to be the best of both worlds (better wear characteristics, low dusting, resistance to fade) without the downside of a pure ceramic pad, Those are probably what many people call ceramic pads nowadays.
The premature brake wear problem has been posted many times and I wanted to share my experience..At 21000 I had my service department,Kings CJD in Cincinnati, check the brakes before a trip of potentially 3000 miles...Although they had performed all the service, oil changes and tire rotation, since new, and everything was OK at the 18000 mile service, I wanted to be certain everything was OK for this trip...The rear brakes were OK but the fronts would most probably not made it another 3000 miles...They replaced the pads and rotors, even though the originals were not completely wornout...Total cost was $75.00...We do have the MaxCare extended warranty with $75.00 deductable BUT it is very clear that pads and rotors are NOT covered....At this point I feel this was very fair..
To answer your question... Apparently not... Had I known this and done better research ahead of time, I never would have purchased this vehicle. My last car also had 4 wheel disc breaks, and the rears didn't need to be touched until around 70,000 miles.
I think the problem stems from a few things;
1) When you take your foot off the gas pedal, the engine does not respond instantly to use the braking action from the engine to help slow you down. Instead, It continues to provide forward momentum to the van for a brief moment which if you are slowing down causes you to apply the brakes more. I think it's a smog thing -burning off excess gases on deceleration.
2) The transmission along with the gearing is very aggresive on keeping the van moving forward which requires the driver to apply the brake with more force.
3) The engine (mine is a 3.3) provides quite a bit of torque at very low RPM's which agravates the above conditions
I also think Chrysler did some of these things to increase fuel mileage on the van.
When the van was purchased, I noticed right away that I would have to change my driving habits from the other vehicles by taking my foot off the gas sooner than I normally would when slowing down and allowing extra distance between the car in front of me as a buffer zone. If I didn't do these things the pads woould probably last half as long.
We have one with the alloy wheels and the rear wheels get quite dirty with brake dust, where as the fronts stay very clean in the same time period.
Braking operation feels fine so far, with 10k on the vehicle, but the signs of the brake dust would suggest something isn't right.
Will definitely have the dealer check it out on it's next service.
In answer to you question, my front wheels get dustier than the rears.
After being told its a wear and tear item and therefore not covered by warranty I jumped on Google only to find this happens on 300Cs as well and its common for all Chryslers built around 2008 onwards. It seems to be common on Nissans too.
Most people know pads shouldn't wear that quickly let alone rotors that really should last over 100,000kms. However, I also can't believe how many accept Chrysler's story that its not covered and simply keep paying to replace them almost every service. Has this world gone mad?
Here in Australia we are protected by Consumer Laws which state products MUST last and work properly for a reasonable time. But instead of taking Chrysler to court (again) I believe this is a safety risk. Somewhere between my first and second service my car became unroadworthy. With many 300Cs it happens between EVERY service. I'm awaiting the Department of Infrastructure's decision on this who are also waiting for Chrysler's reasons with why they shouldn't recall all Chryslers. In the meantime, I had Chrysler call me to have my brake rotors AND pads replaced under warranty :-) Do I detact FEAR in their voice???
Seriously, this could have been managed with good customer service but yet again they chose to treat me like I was unreasonable in my expectations.
Chrysler don't have much of a market share in Australia so you Americans need to be screaming at Top Care. Check the law in the US and see if you have any vehicle safety standards. Chrysler make a good car but they'll shoot themselves in the foot if they don't pay attention to the quality of their parts. Go teach them a lesson in Customer Care!!!
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Like you I noticed a great deal of brake dust on the rear alloys which is pretty unusual since the fronts are always dirtier than the rear on almost any car--as you would expect. By the way, as my handle suggests I've been a lifelong Mopar guy and even though this is my third Dodge/Chrysler minivan, I keep looking at other brands so this may be my last.
But what about the brakes, my wife thinks we need the 4th brake job in 80k miles!! Is there a hidden warranty on this problem from Chrysler that anyone has found?
PCA
As posted above, here is my original post on the subject.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
After market can get you vented rotors with ceramic pads. This would only cost $275 in parts and an afternoon to install. I would think the problems would go away after that. Seems the dealership charges $540+ for this service and requires it every 7-12k miles.
Just asking as I don't see a need to stay with something that won't work. If it is the ABS system reports should e filed with safercar.gov
Anyone used aftermarket care to share the brand they've chosen?
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S