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Honda Odyssey vs. Hyundai Entourage vs. Kia Sedona vs. Toyota Sienna
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Are there Kia dealers in PR? How is parts availability?
Just curious.
I decided to go with the EX and got it for 23,632! with a starting tag of 29***
I had really hope that the Hyundai dealers would want to negotiate but they would not budge! I have no idea what they are planning to do with their leftover 2007's maybe they've had them so long they are attached to them.
Anyway I testdrove the Hyundai and thought it was great and I like the looks of it better than the Honda but I wll not pay MORE for it.
I don't know if this helps anyone but I guess I am saying don't assume that the Hyundai is cheaper in price. :P
For $23.6k I might have bought one, too. $3200 price drop in 6 months! :surprise:
Mini van challenge
As opposed to a few days in a road test without families. Much more informative.
One correction for the Sienna:
when you lock the vehicle with the remote you do not hear the horn sound
This is programmable, mine does this (same model).
Brand new our SE stickered for $26,989 which I was happy to have the $7k savings for a van that's been in service for only 5 months.
We had a 2003 Oddy and loved it, but it was a $27kex and now even more for the same equipment. THe only reason we sold it in 05 was because I got a company car/Town and Country. The savings between the two this year now that I'm changing jobs is huge. I just couldn't justify the Oddy again.
First, finding a low mile used Oddy is very tough. Even then, the price is high while resale is good, for a van that we plan on keeping 4-7 years, I'll take my savings now thank you.
So far quality wise, the Hyundai is on par if not better than our prvevious Honda. The power is very nice too and not at all second to the Honda.
I paid $25,300, including everything (destination, processing, etc.) for a new 2007 Ody EX-L. (Adds sunroof, leather, heated seats over the EX). You can get an EX for $24 or so.
I think that's a better buy than a Hyundai because it will hold its value better. An Entourage with the same level of equipment as my Honda would have actually cost more--I compared them.
IIRC those ended up costing around $23k or so when I was shopping back in May. So you got a pretty significant $3500 discount and it's barely broken in.
When I reviewed the similar Kia model, my conclusion was that at under $20k they need no excuses whatsever. For that price, wow, you got a lot of van.
Residuals are not strong but in this case that helped you.
A new Ody EX may be $24k, but a used one is ... probably about $24k! There's no point buying semi-new.
Congrats again.
Again, this was a while ago, but I saw Limiteds in the $25s.
I realize you have to add a few options, but shop around, I think you can get what you want for $27-28k.
Shop at fitzmall.com, for instance.
$27123 Base Invoice, Entourage Limited
$2002 Invoice, Entertainment Package
$700 Destination
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$29825 Total invoice
-$2000 Factory Rebate
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$27825 Should be your "net" pricing for this van
(Of course, Less is Better!)
-Gary K
-Gary K
If that is the pricing you saw in May '07 then it should be even lower than that now at end of calendar year '07.
-Gary K
That's just nonsense. In fact that actually raises several red flags for me. It's bogus and even unethical for them to say that.
I'd be looking for another dealer. :mad:
- I am getting Ody EX 08 for 399(tax incl) for 36m/15k miles/ zero down (no even 1st month payment)...Is it good?
I am debating whether I should spend that kind of money or go for TC /Dodge caravan 08 models for a 27 month lease. What is the competitive rate for leasing those minivans?
I have not driven them but their reliability seems to be an issue; we drive 70 miles a day and we live in NE ohio where winters are sometimes little bit harsh. We dont have much leeway at work and hence reliability and maint...
Thanks!
All Odyssey models from 99, 2000,2001,2003,2004,2005,2006, 20007 have faulty transmissions.
2008 - 100% chance
check the facts!
Dont make the same mistake....
My cousin's 2002 is on its original transmission.
Your data is the lemon here. :lemon:
not only odysseys...
This is a fact. 1,099,976 Odyssey 2002 are on transmission recall. See NHSTA report:
Make / Models : Model/Build Years:
ACURA / 3.2CL 2001-2003
ACURA / 3.2TL 2000-2004
ACURA / MDX 2001-2002
HONDA / ACCORD 2003-2004
HONDA / ODYSSEY 2002-2004
HONDA / PILOT 2003-2004
Recall Number: 04V176000
Summary:
ON SOME MINI VANS, SPORT UTILITY AND PASSENGER VEHICLES, CERTAIN OPERATING CONDITIONS CAN RESULT IN HEAT BUILD-UP BETWEEN THE COUNTERSHAFT AND SECONDARY SHAFT SECOND GEARS IN THE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION, EVENTUALLY LEADING TO GEAR TOOTH CHIPPING OR GEAR BREAKAGE.
Consequence:
GEAR FAILURE COULD RESULT IN TRANSMISSION LOCKUP, WHICH COULD RESULT IN A CRASH.
Remedy:
ON VEHICLES WITH 15,000 MILES OR LESS, THE DEALER WILL UPDATE THE TRANSMISSION WITH A SIMPLE REVISION TO THE OIL COOLER RETURN LINE TO INCREASE LUBRICATION TO THE SECOND GEAR. ON VEHICLES WITH MORE THAN 15,000 MILES, THE DEALER WILL INSPECT THE TRANSMISSION TO IDENTIFY GEARS THAT HAVE ALREADY EXPERIENCED DISCOLORATION DUE TO OVERHEATING. IF DISCOLORATION EXISTS, THE TRANSMISSION WILL BE REPLACED IF DISCOLORATION IS NOT PRESENT, THE DEALER WILL PERFORM THE REVISION TO THE OIL COOLER RETURN LINE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON APRIL 21, 2004, FOR PILOT, ODYSSEY, AND MDX OWNERS. OWNERS OF THE ACCORD VEHICLES WILL START RECEIVING LETTERS ON JUNE 28, 2004, AND ON JUNE 29, 2004, FOR OWNERS OF THE TL AND CL VEHICLES. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009 OR ACURA AT 1-800-382-2238.
Notes:
HONDA RECALL NOS. P30 (ODYSSEY AND PILOT), P31 (MDX), P38 (ACCORD) AND P39 (ACURA). CUSTOMERS CAN ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION¿S AUTO SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-DASH-2-DOT (1-888-327-423
Just be a couple more miles on your cousin's ...
Read your own post, "ON SOME MINI VANS".
SOME is not equal to 100%.
Also, that covers up to 2004, but you said it was 100% all the way up to 2008, which is incorrect.
Your post is false, plain and simple.
Even though this is old news, you could provide useful information to some folks if you were accurate.
The sad thing is the way they are rectifying the problem. I worked in a Japanese company for 11 years and this is simply unacceptable. We solved problems in a pro-active manner not reactively.
Your post was sensationalist and, more importantly, factually inaccurate.
Why do you say 100% of the 2008 transmissions are bad, then acknowledge only models up to 2006 were affected?
Everyone is free to choose which car to buy. Just do some research before buying. There are lots of car reviews like msnauto, yahooauto and once you see a common problem then run- not walk away from that model !....a little too late for a lot of eager buyers...
But having good experience with my other hondas made me shrug of the issue and blindedly went ahead.
I don't believe in Honda Quality anymore.
Even if you overload the van, you would think that would affect the rear axle more, given that carries most of the payload.
I believe the 5/60 warranty does convey to the 2nd owner, but the 100k powertrain warranty only applies to the original owner. Just keep that in mind.
Having said that, you could buy an extended warranty with your savings, easily.
The Sienna is also lighter in curb weight.
Just for what it's worth.
I am extremely pleased with this van. Mechanically this van is top notch. Enjoy driving it much better than I ever liked the Honda. I am a little disappointed with the DVD system though. After only a month, the eject mechanism failed. Glad I have the 5yr/60k warranty. Only other complaint I have is the factory tires (Kumho KH16's) are lousy in the snow. I'll upgrade them next fall.
It seems as though a 1 or 2 year old Sedona or Entourage is one of the best deals you can get right now. I would be hesitant to buy a new one though, unless you are certain you will keep it for 5+ years. The depreciation will KILL you.
You probably have 2-3 years of warranty left, nearly what you'd have on a $25k new one.
Congrats.
I also agree the factory Kumho tires were not good in the snow even with good tread left on them. I went to dedicated studded snows which are really noisy but can't be beat for winter traction. I also just put a set of lower profile 18" wheels and tires on the Kia for spring and now it really feels (and looks) good.
May as well buy new. So that's what I did.
It's a nice van and is dressed out better than most, regardless of make and cheaper than the others. We can list features all day but this has got to be the nosiest van on the road. I wasn't sure how noisy it was until I road in a Toyota Limited van...boy what a difference. Our van generates LOTS!! of road noise. I went back to the dealer and drove three new vans, each with a different set of tire...no difference from ours. Therefore I'm guessing that corners were cut in the insulation department. When we bought ours we were so taken with all the features and the price I didn't pick up how noisy it is. The Sedona runs well and all the nice features work with no trouble through27,000 miles. I'm not plugging the Toyota or the Honda...but..if I weren't upside down after deprecation of a new 2006 ( which is another story) I would trade in a heart beat!!!
You got it backwards.
The top rated van is the FWD Sienna, with 93 points overall. It was 1st.
The Ody got 91 points, and came in 2nd.
In reliability the Sienna was also rated higher.
It's definitely Toyota #1, Honda #2, FWIW.
VWs aren't known for being reliable either, yet people pay premiums for them over Hondas and Toyotas. Its ok to pick outside the reliability box. :shades:
You don't have to give up fun.
My Miata is 15 years old now and running like a top.
I want to upgrade to a 2006, but really this one is fine, I have no reason to. I wish it would break down!