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Hmmm.....could it be the Pharmaceutical Co.'s have helped design these headrests, so they could sell more pain killers for all the head/neck/shoulder pain?
The head restraints were mandated to specifications by the fed govt for 2010 and later models of all cars. But Honda installed theirs earlier than other mfrs. (not sure when). The govt and the mfrs KNOW that about 13% (estimated) of the driving population will find the head restraints uncomfortable because of their EXTREMENESS OF POSITION. There was an alternate, less extreme position, but the govt went w/the extreme position. Several mfrs fought the extreme position...Ford being one of them. Honda did not fight it. Apparently Honda was okay with 13% of their customers finding them uncomfortable and possibly losing sales. (Honda wouldn't lose 13% of sales; as you can see from above posts, some people buy the car, anyway, despite being uncomfortable, and some don't realize what a problem they are until after they've bought the car.)
What the govt said about the 13% was that basically, they can just recline their seats. Problem solved. (I'm pretty sure most of the govt panel and the mfr reps were men. You'll find out why below.)
Who are those 13% of the driving public who'll have a problem with the extreme position of the head rests? Primarily women (and shorter people, who are mainly women). They discussed that more women tend to drive with their seats less reclined than men. So they can simply recline their seats more. Problem solved.
What the govt did not do, and apparently the car mfrs didn't know so couldn't tell the govt, is WHY more women drive with the backs of their seats less reclined. That is because women have, proportionately, shorter arms and longer legs than men. So altho they may sit closer to the steering wheel in terms of inches, in terms of their arm length and body size, they are sitting farther away from the steering wheel. (A telescoping wheel doesn't alter the dynamics; women still have proportionately shorter arms and longer legs...men use the telescoping wheel, too.) So it's easier for your arms to rest comfortably on the steering wheel, with the seat back in a more straight position. That way, you're still able to sit far enough way from the pedals for your legs.
Also, a poster above mentioned that it was bad posture to sit with the seat back in a less reclined position. I disagree. If you sit with your pelvis slightly angles upward (which is ergonomic), and your back fairly straight so that your spine is straight (this is not stick straight...just fairly straight), then your head will rest atop your body, and your spine, through to your neck, will be properly aligned. Your back should be supported by the seat back. That's what it's for. To sit with your back touching the seat back to mid-level, and then bending forward isn't good posture or good for your spine. Especially when you're older or have arthritis (as most middle aged people do), that's not healthy.
I'm a 5'5" woman, of normal weight. So I'm not exactly short for a woman. Even so, the CRV headrests were murder, uncomfortable, and unhealthy for my back. My friend got in the passenger's seat, and the 1st thing she said was, "What's wrong with the headrests?" I looked at her, and her head was being forced down, as if she were looking at her lap. She's about 5'4" and normal weight.
LAST....I think it's more than just the angle of the headrests, since the CRV was worse than others. I think it must be a combination of the shape & size of the headrests (CRVs were shaped very different from some others), with the shape and thickness of the seat back. It's the whole setup.
Honda is very aware of this problem. They just don't care. The headrests suit most of the driving public, and it looks like quite often it's the man who makes the buying decision, so as long as the headrests suit him, Honda will still make the sale.
I will say that I did have to take the CRV on a long test drive before I realized the extent of the problem. At first I thought I had the seat in an awkward angle, then I tried to "fix" the headrest. Until I finally realized how serious and unfixable the problem was and how much it hurt the back of my head or my neck (depending on position).
I got a kick out of the post above, where the woman says how she ran over the headrests to straighten them out. Good idea. Something to keep in mind. But I think I'm going to try to just buy a car that doesn't have this problem in the first place. They'll all be irritating or uncomfortable to some degree, but there are cars out there where it's not as bad as the CRV. A pity. The CRV is being redesigned for 2012. I would like to think they'll make this problem less severe...but it's been this way for a few years, so.....
Oh...I forgot to say...in the govt articles I read on this, it was mentioned that the specs and angles for the head rests were designed for a driver of about 5'10" tall, but that the headrests have to have a LONGER range of being lifted up, to suit taller drivers. If you are much shorter than that, the govt and the mfrs know that the head rests will be a problem, unless you recline your seat back so that it is no longer supported by the seat back.
Why the CRV headrests hurt the back of my head...when I was driving, the headrest actually pressed up against the back of my head. When I hit bumps, my head would jostle ever so slightly forward, so the the headrest was constantly jab-jab-jabbing the middle of the back of my head. The only thing close to a solution was to raise it ALL the way up, so that I no longer had the use of any headrest at all. I wonder how that would protect me against whiplash?
One last thing...State Farm and other ins. cos. were involved in the hearings on this issue. I'm not intentionally being political when I say that the ins. cos. seem to have required these head restraints. Lot of whiplash claims.
Turning them around wasn't an option for me, since it would take away my ins. protection against whiplash. And that other poster who ran over hers with a car to straighten them out, she too probably wouldn't be able to make a claim for whiplash.
Personally, I think that's the point of the headrests (cynical me): to lessen whiplash CLAIMS, not whiplash injuries.
I just wish the govt had gone with the less extreme head restraints. They would have increased whiplash prevention without creating this problem for that 13% of drivers.
I STILL haven't bought a new car. The # of vehicles for sale decreased...some sold out! So I'm waiting for the 2012 models to see what will be available. Maybe the headrest/seat system on the 2012 CRV will be better. Sure wish the CRV came with chrome door handles.
One day into driving off the Paragon Honda New York City Lot I noticed a dull pain in my neck...for the past 2 months I have in order of occurance...removed the head rest from the front seat and replaced it with the less forward angled one from the middle seat in the back row and WEDGED it into the holes. It seemed to work at first but NOPE! I am in agony. My neck is numb with shooting pain down my right side. I have adjusted the steering wheel, angle of back support etc... I placed a lift at my tailbone under my butt, I put a lumbar support at the base of my spine...I feel like a lunatic. It has made me feel like I need to ride my bike in the snow to get to work. I love to drive...btw..I enjoy I95 trips to Florida from New York...but this has really practically paralyzed me.:(
So why are Honda and other car mfgrs. not paying attention? Surely the headrests in the past weren't so awful that they caused more problems. The headrest in my Tahoe was very comfortable to rest against when I needed to and never felt like it was in the way.
When I first encountered the problem, I pulled out my owner's manual assuming I could read something that could help me find a solution but there was none. I found a little relief by finally finding a seating position that positioned my body in a way to tolerate the head restraint. Fortunately, I don't spend a lot of time in my vehicle. If I did, I don't know if the current seat position would be of much help.
I proceeded to repeated the process on the remaining leg until the angle of it matched the first one. I then reinstalled the headrest into the seat-back and got the desired relief I was looking for.
This procedure did not cause any stress fractures or cosmedic blemishes to the legs of the headrests and they are still fully adjustable. I can now take extended trips without arriving with a nagging back ache. If your're handy with tools, give it a try. I think you'll be inpressed with the results.
I have a 2014 Honda CR-V and would like to replace the manual drivers' seat with a power seat - is the wiring in-place for this in all models?
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