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Is anyone able to confirm that? If so, that would be a huge disappointment to me.
I'm sold. I will be putting in an order for the shorline blue trail grade as soon as I can.
http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2009/09/full-test-2010-toyota-4runner-trai- l-grade.html
have to admit this silver trail edition looks way better in pics than the royal blue and white limited photos!
http://www.trucktrend.com/roadtests/suv/163_0909_2010_toyota_4runner_trail_editi- on/engine_and_performace_specs.html
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http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/24/2010-toyota-4runner-debuts-with-four-cylinder- -trail-grade-model/
As a current generation 4Runner owner, I doubt I'd buy another.
I realy hate the Trail edition look and at the same time I really love the its off road capability. As hunter and currently owning a 1993 4runner sine brand new, I have gone places where others commanly don't dare.
I would have prfered a Trail edition with SR5 look or limited inside and outside look. The Limited is only offered as AWD,
Would AWD have a center Diff lock? If so, my gues would be that it would be off road capable as well. I do relaze that it would not be a rock climer but would it be good enogh for hunting adentyres (moose, dear, VERY muddy farms, etc). The limited also have a 20" wheels.
ALL comments and advise are appreciated.
Yes, the Limited comes with a center diff lock. Go here: http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/photo.aspx?ncid=11092
Select the album for the Limited Edition. Go to image 37, and you'll see this:
It has three modes -- 4 hi range, with the center diff unlocked (H4F), 4 hi range with the center diff locked (H4L), and 4 low range with the center diff locked (L4L).
For offroad use, you'll need to replace the wheels and tires. 20" wheels suck offroad. If you do that, it will probably be fine for your use offroad.
It won't come with the offroad goodies on the Trail Edition, including KDSS, craw control, and the modified settings for the ATRACS system. Of those, the only one that is particularly important in my opinion is KDSS. KDSS disconnects the sway bars at low speed, allowing the suspension to flex more.
Thanks for the info.
I really don’t know enough about the electronic 4x4 features with different setting of traction in compression with a locked 4L found in Limited.
The dislike on the Trail is not just the color. The rear bumper is nearly absent and looks out of place. Front under body spoiler of 2-3” does not reduce Clarence, but rather covering the guts. Also, deleted running board again exposes the under body for the advantage of couple of inches. I have hit my running board many times and rather have them there than hitting my door. The scoop is not functional and there only for the look. The roof rack does not add any extra functionality.
All and all, it is a personal taste and it is not for me.
Wrt tire, the walls are the issue. The 20” doesn’t appear to be very low but not high enough either. Could I simply swap them for a descent off road tire. I usually use Michelin LTX M/S?
I would like to stick to a Toyota but the current 4Runner just isn't big enough for me.
I would probably go for the SR5 model. I currently have a 1997 with 136K and I still love it. I would probably keep it and buy a new one.
The current 4Runner is actually smaller in cargo space than my 97. And comparing the cargo size of the 97 to the 2010 it is finally making sence.
1997 4Runner
Total Cago Volume = 79.8
2nd row seats up = 44.6
2010 4Runner
Total Volume = 89.7
2nd row seats up = 47.2
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showpost.php?p=453521&postcount=15
Also, the Limited will not come with an electonic locker for the rear differential like the one available on the Trail grade. But if you're in Canada (since you posted the Canadian Ordering Guide PDF) you might be able to get some options on the Limited that aren't available in the states. For instance all Canadian 4Runners will get full-time 4WD, while only the Limited gets full-time 4WD in the USA.
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?t=55272
this very helpful. I will certainly not order one till I see it now.
The pick and features are somewhat different from US to Canadian version. Running board, AWD, engine and etc.
It appears I will be opting for the SR5 Upgarde or a Limited. I still whish I could have had the Trail with the regular look.
Thanks again,
r.
Have fun!!
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ToyotaUSA&view=videos
The sidewalls on the 20" tire are simply too short, IMO. I would NOT take it offroad with 20" wheels.
If I were to buy a 2010 Limited, I'd either try to get the dealer to swap the 20" rims with 17" rims, or I'd buy 17" rims and sell the 20" rims and tires to someone who likes that look.
Does anyone know if the rear spoiler is going to be on all new 4Runners? It's hard to believe that Toyota would do this, but as I said above, I have yet to see a photo or video that doesn't have the rear spoiler. This would probably keep me from buying one. To me, it looks like something that should be on a '70's model Dodge or Plymouth sports car.
Now you get an SR5, Trail or Limited in 2 or 4WD.
The rear spoiler is standard along with most everything else.
That's different from the Venza, which has a single trim level with options grouped in packages. There is no "Limited" Venza. A "top of the line" Venza has a combination of all the available packages (the Premium Package 1 or 2).
What is different with the 2010 4Runner is that a lot of the individual options have been made standard, especially on the Limited. The 2009 Limited had optional DRLs, moonroof, JBL, etc. The 2010 Limited has just 2 options: Navigation and the 3rd Row.
Looking at the 2009 MSRP in my area (before destination charge), a Limited 2WD V6 is $37.1K with JBL/spoiler/XREAS/DRLs/Tow options. A 2010 Limited 2WD V6 is $37.7K. I would rather have no moonroof and pocket the difference, but the 2010 still appears to be a good value (+SmartKey, +moonroof, +Bluetooth, +iPod port, etc.) even with the takeaways (-LED tails, -locking fuel door, -in-glass antenna).
As for the running boards, everyone I know has taken them off. They're in the way for off-roading and they'll mess up a clean pair of slacks on any given day just from brushing up against them exiting the vehicle. Another option I don't need.
This is a major step backwards for the 4Runner.
Previously it said that all trims got a Torsen center diff. Now it only refers to the Limited as having a Torsen, which is correct.
I guess that would be different for Canadian version (AWD with center diff lock -Torsen Center Diff) of this SUV as you pointed out to me last week . That may be why it appears contradiction in different articles by Toyota (mixing the two markets)
However, they cost a lot more in Canada.
My take is that both the SR5 and the Limited have cheap chrome plastic door handles (the Trail has black plastic, but it didn't seem as cheap to the touch as the chrome, which felt like it would scratch or wear easily), and the interior has lots of plastic (it's clearly not a Lexis) but not so much so that it is a big problem for me. The Limited has full time 4WD, and SR5 was a 2 wheeler if I remember correctly. The Trail had KDSS. There was nothing in the interior that really turned me off (I didn't really like the placement of the window switches but it's not that big a deal). I liked the instrument cluster. Certainly the same designer of the FJ took his cues from it, but not overwhelmingly so, and the exterior was much less dramatic in person. The hard edges on the side are a bit softer in person than the photos show as well. The Limited had leather (it was fine). The other two had fabric. The Trail had some sort of water resistant material, but it didn't seem that much differnt from the SR5's. All VIN's showed builds around a little over 100.
I didn't care for the Limited (go buy a Limited Highlander or Lexus if you want luxury with limited off road ability), and the SR5 can't be ordered with the off road options of the Trail Edition. The Trail, though, is an off road dream machine. KDSS, and a hosts of other off road features make it so. It fullfulls what the 4Runner really should be in the first place. One item I didn't care for is the stupid fake hood scope on the Trail Edition. If it's fake, leave it off for Pete's sake. But you can't. I wonder how much it would cost to buy another hood and have it painted to get rid of it. Yuck.
Other than that, though, I'd say the Trail Edition should be a winner.
I note that there were very few people looking at them while I was there, certainly no waiting, and some times while I was there absolutely no one at all other than me looking at any of them. SUV's and high gas prices has a lot of folks turned off these models I guess but I admire Toyota for not killing the model as it fits a niche to tow 5000 lbs loads and as a utility vehicle to haul things with.
I got a free Toyota Truck Frisbee and tote bag, though, from the Toyota "Live" folks who put on a cheesy 5 minute show. They never mentioned the new 4Runner in the show at all even though it was about 30 feet away, and instead focused on the new Prius (which was not even near the display but rather in a different part of the park with the cars), and the Tundra. I got photos, but the new 4Runner info on Toyota's site is better than what I can provide.
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The buggy lights and rear lamps and the fake hood scoop bother me more, but they aren't a deal killer. Just stupid design for an off road vehicle. I noticed that on the prototype ALL the headlights and tail lights were completely destroyed when they took it on an extreme off road trip. I'm not sure it would have mattered, but to put buggy stick out headlights and tailights on an off road vehcile is just plain stupid. They stuick out a few inches from either side and my guess would cost hundreds of dollars to replace. What were they thinking? Oh, they weren't.
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I don't think that's what happened. It looks like the prototype had "dummy" lights in place of the production lights. If you look closely at the front photo, there are generic, rectangular headlights in the holes.
If you look at the back, it looks like they attached the last generation's pre-LED tails. This is actually consistent with the spy photos of the 5th Gen -- they always sported taped-on, previous generation tails.
It was a prototype and likely camouflaged, requiring non-standard lighting so that they exposed as little of the vehicle as possible.
Did you see a Trail Edition?
I do not understand why they deleted the integrated running board. This is part of the body molding similar to BMW X5 and does not reduce clarence.
I also do not understand why they have a mini rear bumper for rear. They could have simply made the rear bumper fiund on SR5 and Limited in black. It looks out of place.