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Someone stated that Bluetooth should be in all vehicles because so many states are requiring hands-free operation of mobile phones. I say that drivers should be mouth-free and concentrate on their driving.!
Using the same logic, one could say that any audio system in a car adds to a distraction. As does speaking with a passenger while driving.
The long and short of it that buyers of luxury vehicles demand the latest and greatest of "toys".
You appear to be a uliterian owner who wants to get from A to B at the least expensive cost. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that theory, and that is why base models of many cars are sold.
jack_sprat -
Thanks for the info.
Don
http://images.trucktrend.com/multimedia/wallpaper/163_0709_photos_13z+2008_Hyund- ai_Veracruz+dash.jpg
Some veracruz nav pics. That system will be on the azera. The azera system will come in different colors to match the interior. It should come later this year or early next year. Maybe at launch.
Especially valuable if you have any experience with the previous model years, too.
http://www.thecarmagazine.com/en/details.asp?sno=853
Amazing and disappointing.
Usually the Canadian models have more features than the US versions.
Still no Ipod input, navigation ( although postings have indicated that navigation will be available in US)and many other features that Hyundai offers in other models.
Why not Azera?
Not buying until about a year, but have been in to test drive and loved the car. Since have been doing a ton of reading and have put the car over many others I've been considering (G35, TL, Accord, etc.) not only for the price, but the fact that it's probably the best fit for me and my family.
But the dealership seems extremely shoddy. Went in this morning before 8:00 to get another peek and avoid sales people. Nonetheless, one was there. Like the other I had dealt with, explained that I wasn't buying for a year and only was taking a peek. He became pushy, telling me there were "no" changes in the 2008. Of course, I knew better and brought up things like the navigation and suspension. He then argued again that there would be no new options or changes in 2008. At this time, I turned my back on him and ignored him.
On the visit I took the test drive, I had to walk by the service entrance and witnessed the service advisor yelling at a customer...I mean literally attacking the customer verbally. After the test drive, I asked how the service was at the dealership and, believe it or not, the guy answered that it sometimes was acceptable. I've never been to a dealership where I wasn't told more to the effect that once I bought the car, they would take care of any problems I had. He even looked nervous when I asked the question.
I really want the Azera. I probably will buy one. Still, I'm going in feeling that the service might be woeful on warranty issues, 5/10 year warranty or not.
I too, have found very few auto salespeople who have taken the time or effort to learn about the products that they are selling. I also find that the Hyundai Service Advisors know very little about the Azera or the features in it.
It is sad that we must diagnose our own problems prior to bringing the car in for service.
In the 22 months that I have owned my Azera, the dealership has changed ownership, several Service Managers, and all of the Service Advisors.
This is my second purchase from Zimbrick. Since buying my XG350 they moved to larger facility (former M.B. dealership) and opened another first class Hyundai dealership on the East Side of Madison. Zimbrick
Owns several other successful dealerships in the area. These people are real pro’s and know how to take care of there customers
Craig
Thanks for your reply. First of all we intend to get the Pearl white exterior(assuming its available for '08) in addition we always tint our windows so I dont expect the interior to be hotter than beige. Besides our car is garaged all day unless the wife is out shopping. The Hyundai beige interior is so light that its impossible to keep clean in our '07 Santa fe.
Craig
I am curious as to whether you have seen a white/black combo in person? As I said it really didn't work for us, once we saw it.
No we haven't seen the White pearl/black interior combo. In Florida no dealers have any '07s with Black leather(in the Azeras). I spoke with the Hyundai consumer affairs manager today and just learned that the '08s are here at port however are not being shipped to dealers just yet till they get pricing worked out. He is checking for me to determine what exterior colors are available.
Craig
I have never seen a white Azera with a black interior.
Excellent post Gary. Very informative!
So the actual vehicle you saw was a 2008 model? :confuse:
Thanks
Specs for this system
Matches the Interior
Double Din flip down unit (Flips down to reveal the CF and DVD/CD/MP3 slot)
6.5" Wide Touch Screen Display
AM/FM/XM/CD/DVD/MP3 support but DVD playback is still unconfirmed.
8 GB CF (Compact Flash) card for storing the Navteq Map Database
No Bluetooth or camera option but Genesis should get it.
Visual and Audio Prompts
No Voice Recognition but Genesis should get it.
Will come in different colors to match the interior
605 watt Infinity Logic7 audio system with Subwoofer
Tons of POI's
Address book and more stuff that is navigation related.
http://joerao.blogspot.com/2007/11/first-official-picture-of-hyundai.html
I think this is it for now.
I can't believe that they are adding a navigation option and not integrating Bluetooth that doesn't silence audio system, as well as a back up camera. You did not mention if it has Ipod input, but based on other non existing features, probably not.
They have had so many additional features in their Korean market version since it's inception that they could have added to the US model without any additional engineering or research costs, and have apparently made the decision that they are not appropriate for our market.
To me this indicates that they have abandoned the US Azera, and are concentrating on other models. A true dissapointment.
Hyundai needs a US "Azera Answer Man" (or woman).
What are they hiding? What did they know, and when did they know it? :confuse:
What's with all the negatives? :confuse:
Let's wait and see what we receive.
Doesn't Hyundai have to hold something back from the Azera to put in the Genesis? :confuse:
The Azera and Genesis are two completely different cars
Azera, front wheel drive with 6 cyl V6
Genesis, rear wheel drive, selling power plant is V8.
Azera was marketed as "Flag Ship" model.
As far as holding back new features because of Genesis, I feel is poor decision.
Other existing Hyundai non "flag ship" models have the features that I am talking about.
The Korean Azera has had these features since the introduction in 06.
Azera models sold in the mid east also have these features.
Not all current Azera owners wish to make the change to a rear wheel drive, high powered model.
Gary D.
Do you recall if the new Azera that you saw was a 2007 or a 2008? :confuse:
Did it per chance have the Manroney? If not, did you observe the V I N ?
I'm perfectly happy with the features on my 2006 Azera. I have my own Garmin Nuvi 660 with Bluetooth that mutes the radio and works through the speakers. I paid significantly less than I would have for a GPS mounted in the car.
Perhaps Hyundai is simply trying to keep the price attractive. We get most of the luxury at a far cheaper price.
I never knew I wanted heated seats until I got them on my Jeep Cherokee Limited.
I suppose there are cars on the market that have every feature but how much do they sell for and how reliable are they?
Flagship models should have all features available.
Manufactures offer different level packages so that buyers with different needs and desires can select.
If one were to worry about how reliable the options are, perhaps they should question the reliability of the entire car.
Why would you worry more about a built in navigation system, or other feature, than a built in audio system or power seats?
The "toys" not only sell very well, but represent more profit to the manufacturer and dealer.
Do you recall if the new Azera that you saw was a 2007 or a 2008? I am not 100% sure but the Hyundai representative present said it was a 2008.
Did it per chance have the Manroney? I don't know what "manroney" means.
If not, did you observe the V I N ? No, I did not.
http://autopedia.com/html/monroneysticker.html
Here, after I went to all the trouble to look up the correct spelling and read about him in a search, I go and commit a typo. I knew how to say his name and went to find out the correct spelling, and then blew it! Please excuse me.
See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroney_sticker
I have only test driven the Azera and don't own one, so I wasn't able to really notice any differences between the new and old. I did check out the front cup holders and they're the same. The model on the floor did not have navigation.
I did speak with the Hyundai rep and brought up what I'd been reading at the boards here regarding the two major complaints I have heard: the suspension and dealer service. She said this is the first she heard about any service advisories or problems with the suspension. She also said that, as far as she knew, there have been no modifications to the 2008 Azera's suspension.
With regards to dealer service quality, she said Hyundai was pretty much the same as all of them and "I've represented several car manufacturers."
In other words, you here at the forums know or at least are willing to address more of what's going on with Hyundai than their rep was. She was all smiles, but deflected questions regarding my major concerns.
Still, I like the Azera and it is on my current three finalists list for my new car in the upcoming year.
at this time. Could have test driven one, but didn't have the time and
the test track Hyundai had set up didn't look like much."
Wish I had known that there was such a 'happening' going on!
Wonder if there will be an "Auto Expo" down here in SoCal?
Next time you see any vehicle and there is no Monroney, check out the VIN.
You will want to observe the eighth character back from the end. Is it a "7" or an "8?" :confuse:
We don't need no stinking Monroney to tell us the MY!
I don't think any of us will be surprised by the rep's responses.
If the person with whom you spoke was actually a Hyundai rep , she obviously was a sales or marketing rep. and not a technical representative. It appears that her comment to you regarding the "new" suspension system contradicts the advertising of the company.