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If and this is one very BIG if, there are 2008 Azera's in the ports, when are they going
to be released? I just think it is incredible that Hyundai would waste tons of money
paying for the storage fees for these cars sitting in the Port parking lots."
Always easy to spot the newbie who comes on and spits out pure garbage!
There are more than 150 new 2007 Azeras listed in FL or the Autotrader site.
That means that there are far more than 150 new Azeras in Florida
because not all new cars available are listed on the Autotrader site.
As far as storage fees are concerned . . How do you know about what the
storage fees are and how much Hyundai may or may not be paying?
And what do you care?
And there are many new 2008 Azeras just waiting in the various ports.
I have seen one myself, and they are available up North, so those of us in the
know KNOW that they are around and will certainly be available shortly.
"Want my real opinion. Hyundai has removed the Azera from its vehicle line up. The reason, an engineering problem with the suspension that causes the clunk. Rather than fix this problem, design costs, production retooling and other related costs, just roll the dice with the Genesis."
Not really because you do not know about what you speak!
No problem with the suspension system for those of us that own Azeras.
What kind of car do you drive? Not an Azera or you would not be saying such dribble.
As far as "roll the dice with the Genesis," time will tell. I wish they would roll one my way!
"The real problem here is how much confidence can you place on the Genesis if the Azera only lasted for two model years. Did Hyundai make a major marketing mistake??"
Two years? There are two model years now on the road, and new 2008s waiting in the ports and on the dealers' lots in Canada. You are saying that the Azera only lasted two years? Get real!
Most of us here that are or have been former Hyundai owners have plenty of confidence in the Hyundai name. That's why we are here, and I for one do not appreciate comments to the contrary from newbies who do not know about what they speak!
Think about what you are saying before you post those comments here please.
I notice also that you didn't end your question "want my real opinion" with a question mark. I'm guessing that's because you weren't inviting my real answer.
I too would love a piece of bhm459's bet about an '08 Azera -- that is, if I knew I could make you pay up when you lost.
At this late date, if there really are that many remaining unsold '07 Azeras just in Florida, why would Hyundai even bother with '08's?
Your comment regarding '08's "waiting at the port".
Try this: Quick definitions (demurrage)
noun: a charge required as compensation for the delay of a ship or freight car or other cargo beyond its scheduled time of departure
Unsold '07's and '08's subject to additonal daily fees eroding margins even further must be a Korean bean counters nightmare.
also, I hear a lot of complaints about the Az not having enough 'luxury' options. I don't think Hyundai could market both a luxuruious Az AND a Genesis (let alone the sonata limited V6). it was fun while it lasted. My attention is now on the Genesis.
While you are correct about certain points about the currently missing features on the Azera, such as collision avoidance, Blue Tooth, navigation, HID, keyless ignition, etc, the Genesis is a different, (RWD) type of car. Currently the price point is only speculation, and none of us actually know what a "loaded" Genesis will cost.
If the Genesis is as good as the hype, with the price point forum members are speculating, I would be a buyer.
I am truly surprised that Hyundai did little to move the Azera up by adding the features that most "luxury" buyers want. They have the ability to do so, as the have included the toys on other models.
Only time will tell.
What '08 Azera, the one in Canada? If the '08 was in the US it would be easy for you to test drive, to experience the difference.
If you can locate any '08's, anywhere in the US please let us know.
The Service Manager at my local dealership tod me that he was advised by district rep. that the 08 will be a new suspension which will not be compatible with 06 and 07 for retrofit.
I am not positive that he didn't make up the story just to get me off his case.
Apparantly no rebates at this time on the 2008's (not a surprise). Also not much dealer discount as the "special internet price" is only $369 below MSRP.
Rebates will probably start to pop up in 2 or 3 months and as more Azera's hit the market the dealers should be more willing to deal. Fitzmall is a high volume dealer and generally has good prices, altough they can be beaten as we found from Town Hyundai in NJ last year.
The production version of the Genesis will go allegedly go on sale on January 8, 2008 in Hyundai's home market of South Korea. The Genesis is expected to be released in North America, China, and the Middle East in the second half of 2008. The European market will not receive the Genesis due to market conditions and generally poor perceptions regarding the Hyundai brand. The price of 3.8 liter V6 Genesis will start from slightly lower than US$30,000 in the U.S. The 3.8 liter V6 model will produce up to 305hp. The 4.6 liter V8 model, whose price will start from US$35,000, will produce 380hp.
I am shopping for a 2007 Azera LTD Ultimate in Florida and there is currently a little over a 100 Azeras of all trim levels in Autotrader so I would assume there are more out there. There are no 2008s in stock that I can find. But not a whole lot of LTD Ultimate levels. So far I have not found anyone to give me an acceptable deal. I have found some great deals up north but don't know if I want to make the long trek, fly up and drive back as that adds to the cost of the car. Boy, do I hate car dealers, as it is almost impossible to get a straight answer from them, sort of like a politician. I bought a 2007 Sonata Ultimate last January and was able to get as good a deal as up north. Seems times have changed.
Do you mean I can upgrade my 07 suspension under the provisions of TSB - 07-50-007? At whose cost, mine or Hyundai?
My car (Azera, Limited, Ultimate) was manufactured in April 07 therefore not included in the manufactured period of Feb 07 and earlier. However, I think I feel more bumps than I should be feeling and would like to investigate installing any improvements that can be made. I haven't talked to my service manager about this yet hoping to be armed with max info before I approach the subject of suspension improvement.
Thanks for taking the time to address this entry.
Point being, if you " feel more bumps than I should ", you don't want the # 040 struts which were a bit stiffer - but.... based upon your build date, you may already have the #040 struts.
IMO, neither of the struts are anything better than " average " or less. We'll see if the 2008 suspension solves what I believe is an annoyance which keeps the car from being darn near perfect.
Still compareing to the BMW?
I call it a poor mans Lexus. They dropped the 16" wheels, 17" on both models.
No change in wheel design. They list 4-wheel independent suspension with
gas-charged hydraulic shocks.
Changed the MPG to 17 & 26 on the limited was 19 & 28.No kidding.
Shows dash with GPS system. More toys for little boys.
My 06 Azera built in 05 had 040 struts that produced some clunks and bumps.
After TSB they were replaced with new front struts that were also 040.
Clunks and bumps have vanished.
Service manager claims that rep informed him that 040's were re engineered with no new part number applied.
I'm not sure if the information is correct, but the problem has vanished.
I went for everything but the navigation system - some dealers are saying that is late availability and they may well be limited in distribution, but there was indeed one on the lot. :shades:
Guys & gals, I know it's here somewhere, but I can't seem to hunt it down: what bulbs are in the low & high beams? I remember somebody saying "H11a" instead of H7 for both, but I can't find anything of the sort, even from Daniel Stern - although he is looking right now. Has anyone replaced the fog lamps? (i.e. does anyone know what bulbs they use) I can't seem to translate this Korean numbering system into anything that resembles what we American and Euro folks call them... :confuse:
http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/01/08/detroit-auto-show-preview-2009-hyundai-gene- sis/
CJ
Although, for me, I do not have the clunk problem on my 07 (and its within the TSB dates). I am relatively pleased with the suspension as I had test driven the Azera and knew that it is not now and never has been advertised as a sports sedan.
Does the car bounce or wallow when it goes over a bump? Is there any clunking or thumping?
My 07 rides great and No clunking or thumping.... This one great road car for long trips. I can drive for 12 hours and feel like stiff board :=)
I have owned Audi's, Nissan Maxima's, Toyota Solara's , Buicks's, and 15 other assorted car and the Azera is hands down the best car I have ever owned
However, I don't like the OEM headlights as many people have noted. Can someone verify that these specs are the same shown in the '07 owners' manual? (I have a feeling that they do not):
High Beam: P14,5s
Low Beam: PX26d
Fog Lamps: PGJ19-1
Can anyone translate those Korean part numbers into the Hx series numbers that we use here in the US (and Europe)?
Sorry, forgot to remark that the best I can tell that equates to H7 for low beams, H1 for high beams and H11 for fog lamps - but I can't really find anything I consider authoritarian on the subject. :confuse:
I guess that's the final arbiter - if you're not certain pull the bulbs and look at them!
After looking around for several hours, I can't even find an Osram "H11b" bulb/lamp anywhere. Has anyone else seen such a thing (i.e. a Tungsram/Narva "+50" replacement for same?)??
Unfortunately, he stated that there is no update for the Osram-only H11b - per se. However, his recommendation was that if you really wanted to improve the low-beam performance and I was willing to get in there and do a little whittling to put H9 sockets in place of the OEM (H11b) sockets and use H9/65 watt Narva builbs (which are 2100 candlepower instead of 1300). Being the adventurous type I am, I'll likely do exactly that. :shades:
He also stated that the only way to know for certain exactly what you've got in an '08 Azera is to physically inspect them, because there are 3 distinctly different combinations being made for US import. :confuse: "Don't ask me why, 'cause I don't know"...
There is still no Azera 08s in California.
When can I buy the new Azera GLS in California??....
I'm sure they would love to sell you a 08 when available :=)
Two weeks into mine I'm a happy camper: new (H11b) low beams provide much better coverage, if you don't like them you can always yank them and put in H9 bulbs and sockets. The H7 high beams have a good replacement from OSRAM called a "Ralleye +50" that has 2100 candlepower vice the normal H7's that have 1400 candlepower (which is what I have put in mine - I do a LOT of night driving). Handling and suspension is greatly improved (my aunt owns an '06) and the radio is the bomb (605 watt Logic7 head unit with 12 Infinity speakers all around) except in Limited model. Not certain if that's available in the GLS, but it certainly seems like it should be.
It is kind of confounding right now trying to price one because all the major sites still have no pricing information, although I've noticed MSN has the packages (this year 4 = Navi; 5 = Ultimate; 6 = Both) but I didn't really look at the GLS options.
3 years? :wow:
Rich in FL
Hyundai has referred it for the represntative to call me.
Anyone looking at any Azera should take it for a one hour drive over high speeds and low speeds and find a rough section of road at high and low speeds.
BTW, on the Infiniti if you get nav, it has a single CD player, but the system records 3,000 songs from the CD's if you want it to.
On a sidenote, I was eager to see the Genesis in person. However, I didn't see one & the when I quizzed the PR person over there, she told me that it would arrive on Wednesday. Apparentlty there are 2 models doing the show rounds; one is in Detroit and another in Dallas. The Dallas unit is the one which is going to be shown in Houston. As much as I want to see Genesis, I'm not going to pay $10 entry fee again to see it. I would wait for it to arrive at the dealer.
Genesis nav has bluetooth and voice recognition. The Screen is VGA and anti aliased for sharp clear graphics. Backup camera is a plus. There is an Idrive/MMI like knob that is used to control it and it's easy to use. The voice recognition system is called the Speech dialog system.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14086328@N00/2226345813/
This system wont make it to USA.
enjoy!
I'm trying to get on the dreamka4u site to see if they have
sidemirrors with turn signals and the auto dimming feature
for my Azera 2006. Any of you folks purchased same from this
outfit, and if so how did you get to ask then the question of
availability on their site. ?? Also the turn down feature
of the mirrors in reverse..what feature does the Azera
have to have to make this feature work?
,Thanks in advance
Alan