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Hyundai Azera 2008

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  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Oh, I don't think we need to go there from here, it really has nothing to do with our topic.

    08 Azera anyone?
  • sriptonsripton Member Posts: 20
    Well I guess you haven't been to the airport in the last eight years and tried to "smuggle" an 8 oz bottle of shampoo or a can of sprite into the cabin of an airliner!!!
    My aunt, an 68 year old Caucasian U. S. native was put in handcuffs last month when Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Phoenix raided her candle company looking for immigrants. She was one of 34 U.S. citizens detained in handcuffs for 2 hours while they searched for illegal immigrants. She suffered a medical emergency while cuffed and will now be diminished for life. She had never committed a crime in 68 years They are all suing and expect to win on the basis of illegal detention (defined as loss of FREEDOM) and they expect to win. It's illegal to ride in my car or truck without a seatbelt, yet motorcyclists can ride without a helmet! Thats the kind of sense you'll get out of Government. I remember an America in the 1950's where the speed limit in Nevada was "reasonable and proper", but i guess we all have our definitions and baseline of freedom. You can all live in fear of everything I guess, but once again I'd like the government out of the inside of my DVD player. My common sense and ability to make my toys safe is still my business. We can all own guns but not functioning DVD's in our car?? Don't fear me on the roadway friend, but fear the loony tunes in D.C. that make such a discussion even possible!. Now I agree, let's talk about Azeras from here on out. I can see we'll never agree on this one!!
  • sriptonsripton Member Posts: 20
    Sorry Pat, But I didn't start the political thread but I had to respond. And I am still looking for a fix for my Azera DVD player. In 20 European countries I wouldn't have to ask such a question since they can drive at 200 KPH while enjoying an in vehicle entertainment system on the Autobahn. They have that freedom. Case closed!
  • donna388donna388 Member Posts: 69
    "I remember an America in the 1950's where the speed limit in Nevada was reasonable and proper"

    Not true! There was such a speed limit years ago in Montana, but never in Nevada.

    "Don't fear me on the roadway"

    Ah but we do! Where do you get away with breaking so many common sense laws?
    We don't want to be on the same road anywheres near you.

    Why not move to Europe where you seem to believe they have more freedoms than here?
  • 101649101649 Member Posts: 192
    Dude

    Take your political posts somewhere else...maybe ACLU forum.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    We have an Off-Topic board where political conversations are welcome, but they don't belong here.

    Let's get back to the 08 Azera, please.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Some off-topic and personally directed posts have been removed.

    Please get back to the Azera and drop the attacks. Thank you.
  • tonycdtonycd Member Posts: 223
    Returning to cars, as somebody must: I personally like the '09 Azera considerably more than the '08. Hyundai remedied the interior's worst cosmetic sins: unnatural-looking maroon plood (now restrained walnut with more realistic graining), cheap shiny plastic (now more expensive-looking shinier plastic), the garishly mismatched green of the sound system and HVAC controls (now a cool blue that matches the gauge cluster), and the easily stained too-light carpet on the attractive beige interior (now a hue darker). Others might value the new remedy for the old iPod hookup omission, too.

    These might be small sins to some people, but if I'm spending more than necessary to get more luxury than a Sonata can give me, I place a big value on being pleased by my surroundings.
  • ptshredderptshredder Member Posts: 3
    I test drove the V6 Genesis and then the Azera. After research and the test drives I decided on the 2009 Azera. I loved the Genesis but couldn't justify in my mind the $4-6K more for the car, and the way my garage is layed out since I spend all my evenings in the garage in front of where the car was parked at my bench/desk I didn't want to give up the extra 4.5 inches longer the Genesis was. I thought the Genesis was a better ride and quieter, but for what my wife and I were looking for, it fit the bill. The power and handling of the Azera I thought was great and better then anything I've had since my old Firebird when I was a whole lot younger.
    I know I'm replying to the issue of the usb/aux jack, but with the 2009 Azera you do give those up with the Limited version with the NAV system. The 6 CD changer and audio hookup just go away with the NAV option.
    We bought the car in the middle of September, took a 1400 mile trip and babying on the interstate on a 400 mile stretch @65 mph we got 31.3 MPG with 5 people in the car and a trunk full. Coming back to Colorado, climbing over 4000 ft. @75 MPH we got over 27 MPG. I'd like to see a little better gas mileage but for the performance of this car, amenities and comfort after 2600 miles now I couldn't be happier with my decision after 8 weeks. Love to drive it when my wife will let me :)
  • casasaguarocasasaguaro Member Posts: 6
    Excellent choice on Azera over Genesis, Azera has been the hidden large car gem for 4 years now. I have 2 and reliability is unparalleled, cost of ownership nil. I spent an extra $3K aftermarket on all the ixion options for azera and it looks meaner than a new genesis..get the anti sway bar to firm up the front wheel drive oversteer that is endemic with Front drive and you'll notice the difference. Slap a KB filter in and you'll get 15 more hp and 5% better mileage. Only use mobil one oil and filters and you can go easy 6-8K on changes. buy the extension on the warranty ONLY to increase resale if you plan to sell within 10 yrs 100K since it doesn't transfer if you don't, but you have a year to get it It really helps resale after 4 years All the cool accessories are available at http://www.koreanautoimports.com/store/ I have no affiliation but they have been good to deal with, if pricey, but the parts really make the azera look unique. You can even badge it as a genesis with their parts!!!
  • casasaguarocasasaguaro Member Posts: 6
    Sorry, thats a K and N filter not KB. Has anybody tried an air exchanger or other cleaner system on the 3.8 AZZIE yet
  • garym1jgarym1j Member Posts: 46
    Have Azera. Can you tell me about a KN filter, where acquired etc.?

    Thanks,
  • rminorrminor Member Posts: 40
    Do a google search for K&N 33-2346. amazon.com has it for $42.19 with no tax and free shipping.
  • 101649101649 Member Posts: 192
    Azzy already has cold air induction..I won't buy the "15hp increase and 5% increase in FE."...Yes, K&N makes the claims, but dyno test prove otherwise.They can claim big increases, but usually not on stock engines..Also they are noisy...Why don't you just "chip it" and get 50-60hp increase for $400...???
  • dborthdborth Member Posts: 474
    "Why don't you just "chip it" and get 50-60hp increase for $400...???"

    Doing so would nullify the warranty.
  • 101649101649 Member Posts: 192
    so...There are chips available now that can be removed and don't leave any footprints......There are a group of tuners/street racers in Tampa whose motto is " we like to void America's longest warranty." If you want to dance, you have to pay the band.....
  • casasaguarocasasaguaro Member Posts: 6
    The increase in Hp and mileage i quoted are my actual numbers I got after 3000 miles on a paper filter VS 3000 miles with a well oiled k and n, so i'm not just using quotes from the company, thats what happened real world real time in my Azzie in AZ. Now about the chips..tried two in the first 1000 miles and they both caused my check engine light to come on and fouled my mass air sensor, requiring me to pay for service since the dealer was able to track the module change on data that the Azera downloads to the dealers system. You can't fool them with a chip, they'll know it was inserted and removed, plus they don't work and dirty the mass air sensor. I'm NOT going to mention brands since i sense the sellers are watching and posting and i don't want to get into a [non-permissible content removed] fest again. But for real Azera owners who are not pimping a product, I had no luck with computer chips and great results using the simple k and n filter. the car is no noisier either. just my experiences being shared, please don't start attacking my experiences if you don't agree. It happened! My azzie is an 08 3.8
  • casasaguarocasasaguaro Member Posts: 6
    I forgot to mention I also saw about a 12% decrease in lateral g forces (sway) after installing the strut tower bar for $99.00. i use an on board system to monitor all the data so its not bull, and I I've tracked the data from mile 56 to mile 9895. it's a piece of cake to install, and if you look at all the high end [non-permissible content removed] cars like lexus and infiniti you'll note this product is standard upon build. This is the cheapest easiest and best way to improve the handling of azera. Once again just my opinion based on my numbers, carefully collected
  • hjc1hjc1 Member Posts: 183
    When installing the brace did you have to make any modification to get it to fit?
    Where did you purchace the brace.
    TXS HJC

    P.S. I installed the K&N filter and notice NO improvements in power or MPG.
    The only benefit is the ability to clean and reuse the filter
    If you Google the forums on use of K&N very few people see any improvements
  • donna388donna388 Member Posts: 69
    :)

    My friend, you are an advertisers dream come true.

    In the first place, show me your dyno test sheets. Don't have any? I thought so!
    How can you get more power and better F E with a K and N filter then
    with no filter at all in the filter box? Magic I guess?

    "Now about the chips . . . tried two in the first 1000 miles and they both caused
    my check engine light to come on and fouled my mass air sensor . . "


    NO!
    What caused your mass air flow sensor to go South was your "well oiled k and n."
    This has happened time and time again with several vehicles including
    but not limited to the VW TDIs. Read the facts over on Fred's.
    Why would the element in a MAF foul simply because of any chip? :confuse:

    Believe whatever you want, but if you think a K and N will help you, I have
    some ocean front property over in the AZ desert to sell you really cheap!

    ;)
  • donna388donna388 Member Posts: 69
    "When installing the brace did you have to make any modification to get it to fit?
    Where did you purchace the brace."


    Forget the brace.
    :)

    If that brace helped at all, don't you think mahout of N C would be using it
    in his modified for the track 2006 Azera when he runs his car at V I R? :confuse:

    Most people who think they are getting improvement when using the over expensive
    K and N filters have not really checked the F E and power out properly.
    They think because they spent that money and because the snake-oil specialists say they
    will get such and such, that they are in fact getting what the stupid unbelieveable ads state.
  • 101649101649 Member Posts: 192
    Amen....My earlier post stated the same.....if he's got dyno sheets from his vehicle, then post them....FE can change dramatically with driving styles...Sure, I'dwant to see more HP and better FE if I bought the product, but not in a stock non-high performance engine....There are "chips" available over on e bay for $15-$25..not real chips, but some sort of resistor gadget....They will cause the check engine light to come on....oh well...to each his own....
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    Okay...you want a Genesis, but financially it just doesn't look like the numbers will work for you. Don't fret, I feel your pain. Well...for those that want one, get the next best thing!

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    KIA - Azera Genesis Grille
  • casasaguarocasasaguaro Member Posts: 6
    MAN this forum is nothing but a b@tchfest, but since now you're basically accusing me of being an idiot or a liar then here are more facts. The Azera I tried the 2 chips in DID NOT HAVE K and N filters in them, it was purely the chip that caused the mass air sensor failure and it is documented. As far as some pro driver not using the strut tower bar, it would be ridiculous to use that device on a car that has been already been modified aerodynamically and with under suspension mods that negate the strut towers almost completely from the system!! I'm done trying to "add" to this forum, the last time I tried to find a fix for my dvd player like every other car forum discusses i got read the riot act by some nutball who is a safety/politico crazy, and it seems like most posters just want to fight and win. I guess the small pool of Azera owners brings out the crazies, but I don't see it on other forums I work with. Now get ready posters.....Now tell me I'm wrong, insult me some more and make up stuff about what I said so you can feel superior then try to throw a lame joke in there about Arizona, Very Mature. I thought the point was to talk about azera ownership, you know there are blogs out there just to hone obnoxious debating skills and insult and be divisive.. check them out
  • casasaguarocasasaguaro Member Posts: 6
    Hic 1, The strut tower bar available form Korean Auto Imports ( he dropped a link with the new Genesis Grille above) just bolts on using the hardware on your azzie. Before installing mine I carbon fiber coated and glossed it for a good engine look, but they look good plain as well. And no Donna, i won't be providing dyno readings since my readings download to my mac and you'll just say i made them up anyway since i don't work for you or your numerical alter ego ID you prop yourself up with. Read all the posts and noticed all you do is dis and slam and disagree with everyone and then the other ID comes on and agrees with you!! Now go slam the guy who posted the selling link for the grill and work over his products and leave me alone, find new prey!! Yes, when someone finds a product they like and they mention it here you go nuts, well go after the seller then, I'm just a guy with 2 Azera's posting my experiences, and not making a profit. It's called word of mouth!! It's what the board is created for, not some quote splicing slam contest dissecting others posts, add something about your azera!!
  • donna388donna388 Member Posts: 69
    House of cactus huh? :) Sounds like a house of you know what to me! :(

    Since you seem to think you know everything, please explain to us dummies how installing any chip could possibly foul up any MAF? (This I've got to read!)

    The reason you cannot provide any dyno sheets is because you do not have any. :sick:

    I made up my mind about K and N filters many years ago when I started
    testing my '95 Impala SS before I began modifing it in early 1996.
    I did do dyno testing all along that path and I do in fact know what I am talking about.

    Maybe you think you can fool some of the people some of the time,
    but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

    Carry on, and try all you want, but many of us are too bright to go along with your program! :mad:

    Let the buyer be ware!
  • donna388donna388 Member Posts: 69
    "When installing the brace did you have to make any modification to get it to fit?"

    No. Installing a strut brace is a rather simple bolt on with no modifications to your
    Azera at all. Three bolts only on each side. I simple do-it-yourself project.

    Do not believe what this guy is trying to get you to believe.
    12 percent handling lateral improvement indeed! You will see absolutely no improvement what so ever!
    Trust mahout instead. He races his and knows what he is talking about.
    Imagine this clown is trying to get us to believe that because mahout has modified
    his Azera 'aerodynamic' that's the reason he does not need a strut tower brace? :sick:

    "As far as some pro driver not using the strut tower bar, it would be ridiculous to use that device
    on a car that has been already been modified aerodynamically and with under suspension
    mods that negate the strut towers almost completely from the system!"


    Now there is a brilliant statement. No one said anything about mahout doing an 'aerodynamic' modifications and if he or anyone else did, what would that have to do with a strut tower brace? 'Under suspension modifications'? What modifications? No one said anything about that.
    What would doing any 'under suspension modification' have to do with trying to make the upper chassis stiffer? The more he posts, the more he digs himself deeper into his hole.

    Back when had my GTP, I discover that the Buick had a brace from the factory but the Poncho did not. Why I asked myself? Did the Buick engineers feel that the Buick needed one and the Pontiac did not? I passed on putting one on my GTP because I figured the chassis was already stiff enough and did not see the need.

    mahout who is into racing at VIR has not felt the need to install one in his very successful '06 SE Why would anyone choose to spend over $100 and go to all the effort and waste more money powercoating it and then installing it, thereby adding weight to the front end of the car unless they simply wanted to waste money and have the looks? Save your money and forget that modification

    See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqRJrqI5DkU

    Here's yet another quote:"Only use mobil one oil and filters. . . "
    What is the part number for a Mobil One oil filter that fits an Azera?
    This I have to see, as there are no Mobil One oil filters listed anywhere for the Azera.
    Mobil One does not make one!
    This guy says to use one.

    Are you starting to see a pattern here? :confuse:

    :(
  • tonycdtonycd Member Posts: 223
    I hate to endorse any part of a thread that gets into K&N territory. But -- and I say this with the utmost respect for Mahout -- one can make a case, at least in theory, for the strut bar.

    Independent commentators such as Michael Karesh and C/D have noted their subjective impression that the Azera/Sonata platform isn't quite as structurally rigid as, for example, the Accord's. Admittedly, a strut bar isn't a panacea for this, but it does intuitively qualify as a traditional low-tech step in the right direction.

    I also never saw Mahout dismiss or condemn a strut bar. He merely got excellent results without using one, which doesn't prove it's worthless any more than anyone else can prove a claim that it confers benefits such as "12 percent" improvement.

    Have a great holiday.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Maybe in the spirit of the season we could drop the personal comments that have been flying around here lately?

    Enjoy the day!!

    :shades:
  • donna388donna388 Member Posts: 69
    "I also never saw Mahout dismiss or condemn a strut bar.[True!]
    He
    [Most Certainly, scratch merely] got [gets] excellent results without using one,
    which doesn't prove it's worthless any more than anyone else can prove
    a claim that it confers benefits such as "12 percent" improvement."


    He has never recommended one.

    Let me put this question on the table.
    Don't you think that a person such as mahout, with his credentials, would most
    certainly use a strut bar if he thought that one would do him any good at all?
    He is, after all, looking for any slight improvement which might
    possibly net him even a few tenths of a second in lap times!

    As far as the bogus claim of a "12 percent" improvement, how would
    anyone be able to prove that one way or another? 12 percent of what? :confuse:
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Why don't we get back to talking about the 08 Azera here, okay?
  • garym1jgarym1j Member Posts: 46
    I am new here. What is your opinion of K&N filters? Can't find in the threads a definitive answer. Have Azera and will try if there is a chance fuel efficiency and performance will improve.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Hi garym1j, welcome. If you read back through the last several pages, you'll find opinions of that filter. Have a look.
  • sriptonsripton Member Posts: 20
    i need to know if any 08 azera ltd nav owners have seen the back of the LG unit and could describe any additional interfaces, as well as any 09 nav owners who may have seen the back of the rev 02 nav unit in the 09. I've contacted dealers and LG and Hyundai and none have any technical data beyond the relatively poor manual provided. Before i make my arthritic hands get into the dash, I'd like to know if there is any ability to add an I/O device through the headunit without using fm modulators or such and what is the difference between the 08 and 09 headunits. The 09 does show a new revision number for the LG unit, but the units appear to be identical. a picture of the back of the headunits would make my day!!
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    Donna388...in all fairness, Mahout may not feel a need for the strut brace since he made some mods to his suspension. Bolting a strut brace on to a stock set up...should provide some difference in feel of handling. If it didn't, a lot of racers wouldn't use them, right?

    Not tryin to start an argument here as I can't say from personal experience if it does or doesn't work. However, I've spoken to someone else that has installed the brace and he also said he felt there was a change in how the car feels in turns, curves and corners.
  • sriptonsripton Member Posts: 20
    Without hearing it from the Mahouth (mahout plus mouth, like it!! ) we'll never know. But I've known many guys who were prohibited from using a part or an assembly because it was made or distributed or sponsored by someone else. Maybe no one will pay him to use it and he's holding out for a sponsorship for it or something else they make. Maybe he just wants to get paid. I have noticed a lot of logos being worn in motor sports!!
  • donna388donna388 Member Posts: 69
    Seriously doubt all of the above! :sick:
  • cobrazeracobrazera Member Posts: 352
    Any sort of modifications in Mahouth's Azera which were made to increase the cornering power of the car, i.e., tires with more grip and stiffer suspension to keep the car more level in corners - would increase the amount of twisting forces fed into the chassis.
    Strut tower braces are used to stiffen the chassis in order to help maintain the tires contact patch under extreme cornering forces which may distort the suspension's mounting points. IMO, if Mahouth doesn't use a brace, then I would agree with donna that the Azera doesn't need one ( at least with the grip afforded by the street legal DOT tires he has mounted ).
  • tonycdtonycd Member Posts: 223
    Cobrazera, to the extent that Mahout obviously got excellent results without a strut tower brace, the Azera obviously didn't "need" one.

    But that doesn't mean there's no benefit to be had from one. I think Mahout would be the first to admit he doesn't have the resources of an all-out testing facility, suspension development department or racing team. He's a very smart retired guy trying some well-conceived stuff in his garage. He's not equipped to measure chassis flex, and he entered this with the stated goal of doing what he could on absolute minimum bucks. As he stated outright himself, that's why he cut his front springs instead of buying stiff expensive new ones. The only new parts he used were his rear shocks, and he fabricated those from other shocks to fit because there was no other workaround.

    I'd love to have Mahout himself join this discussion and erase all doubt. But until then, it appears to me that we're confusing our respect for him with all sorts of research he simply didn't set out to conduct.
  • sriptonsripton Member Posts: 20
    Here the neophyte user has a chance to try a simple change that in my opinion makes the car track better and reduces oversteer, for $100.00 completely do it yourself, and return it if you don't like it!. I'm trying to jazz up my car and any little thing like a nicely detailed strut bar isn't going to hurt. I'm also not trying to set up my Azzies up to be racers, only to maximize their potential without cutting or modifying or doing anything to make them non stock. Comparing a car maximized for the track and saying consumers should only search out amateur racers and opinions and follow their lead is silly. They are doing it for a completely different purpose , searching for a different result. Different purpose, different motivations! I'm sure I'll get my $100.00 back on that strut bar on resale since it looks great!! I am however really interested in the back of that LG Nav Unit. I was able to bypass the DVD override through the parking brake circuit and added a jumper and now I get DVD in motion, but am still looking for back of the the headunit I/O's Anybody see the back of the LG headunit in 08 09 Azzied LTD NAV
  • donna388donna388 Member Posts: 69
    "Comparing a car maximized for the track and saying consumers should only search out amateur racers and opinions and follow their lead is silly."

    'Amateur' racer you say? Geez! How little you know!

    Maybe you believe that statement, but I sure don't. Mahout knows more about how
    to make an Azera perform than all of the rest of us combined and then some.
  • sriptonsripton Member Posts: 20
    Earlier donna388, who has been picking fights on this board with almost everyone but especially me, posted that she was an expert (beware of experts who expound their expertise!!, especially when they are self-proclaimed). Well if she's an expert, then after this latest assessment of mahout ( one of SOOO many!!) he must be a Messiah!, godlike, Infallible, ok we get it already!! You don't like strut bars, Mobil One Oil, K and N Filters or DVD players that function while you drive. In each post do you have to tell someone "how little they Know" and get personal. Such self aggrandizement!! It's a freakin auto forum. Lighten Up and stop insulting people, it's just childish. Now if you're such a Mahout fan please go get ahold of him and have him join us, but stop making personal attacks. Notice I did not insult you in any way in this post, just stated my opinion of how boring and lame this blog has become with you just telling us how great you and Mahout are every 4th post. O.K. WE GET IT
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    You may be right IF you're going along with Mahout's mods. However, not everyone is going to do the same mods he did...in which case, the strut brace would be effective.
  • donna388donna388 Member Posts: 69
    "You don't like strut bars, Mobil One Oil, K and N Filters or DVD players that function while you drive."

    :confuse:

    It is not the mahout forum. I mentioned him as being an expert which non of us are.

    I don't care whether anyone installs whatever in or on their cars. After all, it is indeed
    their money, and if they want to waste it, that is entirely up to them now isn't it?

    It would be nice if you would get your facts absolutely straight prior to posting.
    Guote where I said I did not like Mobil One. :D I use it is all of our vehicles.

    As far as DVD players that work while you're driving, not only is that illegal, but very dangerious as well.
    I do not approve of them functioning while the vehicle is in gear.
    I know now that you were the person who advocated how well you could drive
    while viewing one as you sped down the interstate. I also recall how
    everyone got on your case at that time about that very subject. :surprise:

    Carry on, and think whatever you like. I do not care, and neither does anyone else.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Enough with the personal comments from everyone, please!

    You can disagree with someone's point of view without attacking them personally. And if you are unable to disagree with a person's point of view without attacking them personally, you need to not respond at all.

    Let's move on.
  • MarianneAzeraMarianneAzera Member Posts: 1
    Got my 09 Azera drove it 1 month without a strut bar and then tried one and liked it. I'm sure that it probably doesn't improve the handling much, but it absolutely makes the car more stable under low speed driving when encountering uneven roads. i have a sloped 8-10" curb at the front of my driveway. Before the strut bar when i rolled into the driveway at low speed at an angle the right front wheel would bottom out before the left began to clime the curb, now the added rigidity prevents that so i no longer have to line the car up before pulling in. it's not really a suspension upgrade, but it does increase rigidity and prevents seesawing under low speed uneven terrain. Whoever this mahout is is racing, not city driving, and they are not the same. competition tracks are well surfaced and don't have 10' curbs, potholes or elevation changes within a lane as roads in the real world do so who really cares what he thinks if it works in the real world. Plus as noted by others if he were to be paid to put it on his car with badging he probably would in a minute, since that's how that business works..After reading through all the posts I also want a bypass for my DVD nav system. I don't want to drive and watch dvd's but i would like to run the engine and A/C and heater and watch a dvd while waiting in my car. I've checked and this LG unit is the only one that won't show video even if the car is in park, not moving. It simply won't display if the engine is running and that makes the dvd useless. Who wants to drain their battery and sit in an unventilated 0 degree or 120 degree car watching a dvd.but it's the only way to play a dvd..if someone has an answer let me know, but please be nice
  • OpticalAZERAOpticalAZERA Member Posts: 1
    marianneAzera, i could not agree with you more about the need for a bypass on the DVD NAV system, this LG unit is the only one I've ever seen that won't work with the engine running and the parking brake on, and I especially like the message warning you not to watch a dvd too long our you'll drain your battery, but who knows how long!! Earlier posts seem to indicate that someone named casasaguaro seemed to have found a way to fix it and I would appreciate if he would share it, but it seems he got scared away by some internet trolls that were just bashing him. If anyone has his solution would they share it.

    I also found your info on the strut bar interesting as well, The Azera does seem a little loose up front and I also notice that seesawing that you mention on curbs and bumps. I think I'll try that bar too
  • nexofanexofa Member Posts: 31
    I haven't read through too far back in this thread, so forgive me if this has been covered before.

    I need a sensible sedan, so of course I'm looking at the 4 cylinder Accord EX-L, Camry XLE, Altima SL, but about a year ago I rented an Azera and I was SO pleasantly surprised that I'm considering buying one now. I test drove an Azera Limited last week and the sales guy said I could get it for around $25k, which is around $1000 more than the first number that the Honda, Toyota, and Nissan people first quote. But I got the impression that the Hyundai dealer here (DC area, land of the Lexus) was hungrier than the others, and would come down quite a bit more.

    I don't NEED the V6 power. It's nice, but not critical. I drive an 05 Maxima now and I think it's over-powered. The Accord and Altima 4 cyl. engines are fine for this middle-aged, 2-year-old daughter, home-office kinda guy (i've put only 36,500 miles on my Maxi in 40 months!). But I do like the Azera'a luxury feel.

    My concerns about the Azera are 1) long-term reliability and 2) resale value. I intend to own this car for a while, probably 8-10 years, so resale value is not such a big concern, but mechanical reliability is a big factor.

    My guess is that this board is pretty much populated with Azera enthusiasts, but I appreciate any input you all might be able to give me. How has your Azera performed over time?
  • tonycdtonycd Member Posts: 223
    Nexofa, my answer is suspect on two counts: I am an Azera enthusiast, and on top of that I don't own one. But I'll kick off the replies just in case you don't get any other ones.

    I've studied up on this car at great length. It looks to me like its reliability and durability should be very good, with the sole exception of its suspect shock absorbers. Many don't have any problems with them, but a significant number do; they can wear out and soften prematurely, causing the car to ride too softly and buoyantly.

    This is a very controversial subject in the Azera community, and any mention of it wil provoke heated discussion. My personal opinion is that if you did encounter such a problem, it would never disable the car, but it might compromise your driving pleasure significantly. If this happens, the quality of the dealer is a big determinant of whether you'll ultimately be pleased in this regard. That said, there appears to be only one way to nuke the problem into submission permanently in the worst case: an aftermarket set of Korean-supplied coil-over shocks that cost $1,200 plus labor and are completely unsupported by Hyundai.

    Now, I don't say this to freak you out about the Azera. The engine and the rest of the car appear to be very, very sound, and of course the warranty is the industry's best. I too keep my cars for a long time, and since I'll be in the market for a new car pretty soon, I'm taking a long, covetous look at the Azera -- and by way of context, I'm shopping it against used full-on luxury cars, NOT Accord or Camry.
  • gamlegedgamleged Member Posts: 442
    As the wholly-satisfied owner of a 2006 Azera Limited (currently with 33,700+ miles on the odo) I'd say, "Go for it!" In the 2 years, 1 month I've owned the car I've had one warranty issue: a new battery, replaced free of charge. Formerly, I was a Honda Accord devotee for 30 years (a 1977 and a 1990), but this time I wanted a larger car and the Toyota Avalon dealer wouldn't budge in price.

    As alluded to, the Azera is more comparable to entry-level luxury cars, the Sonata would be comparable to the Camry and the Accord...
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