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The Best Movies... Ever!
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That was sampled in GNR's song. It was originally from the greatest movie ever, "Cool Hand Luke". Go out and rent it..... TONIGHT!!! Without further delay.
Why are you still reading this? Get out there and get it done. I'm ashamed you didn't know this!
-Moo
When did they change the title from "Citizen Kane" to "Cool Hand Luke"?
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Take the Academy Awards, from 1970-2000, it seems that ever movie that wins an academy award is the most depressing film ever made.
I digress. "Cool Hand Luke" is the greatest movie ever based on my esteemed opinion.
-Moo
Its actually very easy to understand once you realize what "rosebud" is and how it affects the whole movie. As far as cinimintography goes it is a masterpiece that will never be equaled.
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You're agreeing with AFI? "Citizen Kane" is the greatest movie of ALL time? That's like saying vinyl is the greatest recording tool of all time. Yes, it was innovative in its time, but does it apply now? Aren't there much better things out there now?
C'mon, with all due respect, there are many much better movies out there that are MUCH more applicable to the masses. That's like saying T.S. Eliot's "The Wasteland" is the greatest poetry ever produced. Maybe to like .0001% of the population that can understand it. To me, it's a garbled piece of nonsense. In order for something to be great, in my opinion, it must have at least some broad appeal. If you're only reaching .0001% of the population, the "opus" is just a self-masturbatory indulgence.
And that folks, is my opinion on indecipherable pieces of film, writing and artwork.
-Moo
If being applicable to the masses was the determination of greatness then McDonalds would have the best food.
Yes, it was innovative in its time, but does it apply now?
I defy you to produce any current movie that has the cinematic quality that "Citizen Kane" has. The story line is classic and does apply to today (maybe even more so today).
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Porkys I and II
Ha there is two of them
Actually with the right equipment and an unmarred vinyl record it is the best sounding medium. A high quality vinyl on a very good turntable with the best speakers sounds better then a CD as long as you stay away from the seven channel surround sound stuff.
Two come to mind. The first, of course, Bullit. The 2nd, a little more obscure....Ronin (with DiNiro, no less).
BR...I know someone who has about $20K invested in a two channel stereo system. With the right vinyl, and if you're sitting in the exact right position (sweet spot) for listening, it does indeed sound glorious. However, with vinyl, it will never sound better than the very first time you play the record. Because of dirt, needle wear, etc, the sound will deteriorate from that point forward.
Before I get wrist slapped by tidester, one of my neighbors just bought his 16 year old a new Prius. He got it at a pretty hefty discount, according to him. I thought these hybrids were hotter than July 4th firecrackers?
His 16 year old wanted a Mustang. First, I don't think any 16 year old should get a new car. Lots of very good reasons why not, but this is not the place to get into that.
I thought the 16 year old's response was classic when I asked him what he thought of "his" Prius. He said, "it's crap". Clearly, he doesn't understand the performance nuances that the Prius brings to the table......
Thanks,
Moo
Yup it is kind of like very high quality wine. The best taste is the first one you have right after the bottle is opened. After that the flavors diminish.
One of my clients has been featured in one of the big audiophile magazines a couple of times. I am not sure how much money he has invested in his sound room but I know one of his turntables cost 30,000 dollars when he imported it from Germany.
He is a big collector though so it is just another hobby for him. He collects cars of course but also collects old steam engines/turbines and old telescopes. I think his oldest telescopes are from the 18th century.
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-Moo
Edit: Whoops, delete my other forum then. You guys beat me to the punch. Thanks!!!
"Is that your name?" " Than you are a owner" What's the question?"
I think you're missing my point, but you tell me. I'm not saying that majority rules. But if there are only a handful of people that can appreciate a movie, then what is the point? To me, that is self indulgent and cannot possibly apply as the "BEST MOVIE EVER". I would like you to ask around and see what some film buffs think is the best movie ever. Will "CK" really come up that much?
I brought up the Academy Awards because I think this is another situation where some folks who aren't connected with the real world vote on a best movie. They always come up with the most depressing movie available. Why is that?
The T.S. Eliot comment, doesn't that make sense? Why produce something if you can't help or edify or impress other folks with it? Why even bother publishing it if the only people who will appreciate it are the .0001% of the population that either THINK they get it or do.
I defy you to produce any current movie that has the cinematic quality that "Citizen Kane" has. The story line is classic and does apply to today (maybe even more so today).
I'm sure there are numerous movies out there that have taken his innovation and run with it. Was it a great movie for its time? I'm sure it was. But I don't see anything that screams "Best Ever".
The movies that impressed me? There a number of them that pop out in my mind. And these aren't best ever, but just movies that I thought were cool.
Reservoir Dogs
Pulp Fiction
Cool Hand Luke
Being John Malkovich
Magnolia
Heat
Minority Report
Shrek (pretty much anything animated by Pixar is awesome)
Stand By Me
Dead Poet's Society
Full Metal Jacket
Gallipoli
That's a small sampling.
Now you go!
-Moo
Sometimes you just gotta talk something other than cars. And if you want a discussion? Snake is the one to talk with you. Hopefully, he'll have fun with me and we'll get to the bottom of this age old question.
-Moo
Godfather (but not III)
Goodfellas
The Untouchables
Scarface
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I'm assuming you like it because of the funny stuff and not the ridiculous plot?
-Moo
Every other one is awesome then and now.
-Moo
But I treid watching it with people who didn't work in the business nad they didn't think it was as funny as I did. I just liked car business side of it. The blonde stealing the car in the beginning, the Saturday morning meetings, The car stuff.
Raiders of the lost ark... all of them
Star wars... the first three
the outsiders... Do it for johnny
National Lampoons vacations
Boon Doc saints
Heat
Casino
Scarface
the Game.... Might have the wrong name starring Michael Douglass and Sean Penn
Fast times at Ridgemont high
Independance Day
Mystic River
and many more
Gotta concur with the Godfather Movies. I didn't even mind III, although it didn't hold a candle to I or II. Goodfellas....no brainer...probably one of my all time favoirtes.
More offbeat favorites...
The Straight Story
The Station Agent
From Dusk till Dawn
Interview with the Vampire
Underworld
Chocolate
Blade Runner
Forrest Gump
More filmed concerts/documentaries than movies....
The Last Waltz
Stop Making Sense
Guilty pleasure....
Dancing at the Blue Iguana (admitedly a weak script, but where else can you see Sandrah Oh and Darryl Hannah naked?).
You know I like "The Last Waltz" if you've seen my profile picture. I'll throw in another pretty interesting musical documentary. It's called "The Festival Express". Check it out. Great film with some great footage of some folks who have moved onto the next world.
-Moo
Citizen Kane simply doesn't pass that test. Would you rewatch that movie? I passed out from boredom. What's a movie that's fresh? How about "Fight Club". Now that's a movie that will rock your face off. And it STILL does today.
Star Wars? You know why people don't mention that one all the time? Because it's an understood. Anyways.....
-Moo
You guys have to lay off the Tom Cruise movies... please!!
Anyway... ever notice that you remember John Cusack movies as being better than they seem the next time you see them?
High Fidelity.. Being John Malkovich.. I thought those were fantastic the first time... not so much after that.
Almost anything with Harrison Ford is great... and, I'm not sure exactly why..
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The advent of the DVD has let me do something that I had to wait to do until we got past the bulky VHS tape era... collect Oscar winning films. I think I'm up to about 50 of the Best Picture winners, with assorted other films and even performances that I thought deserved to be added to the pile :shades:
So Citizen Kane is in my pile, as well as the Godfather series, and Indiana Jones, and Star Wars, yada yada yada.
Don't forget those movies that might or might not be cinematic masterpieces, but when you come across them channel surfing you always stop and watch!
Goodfellas has been mentioned (lots of mob stuff...LOL), Casino is another one I enjoy.
kyfdx - High Fidelity - how can you NOT still love that movie?
In the re-watchables category, I've got to add Princess Bride. As a smooth segue, this reminds me that most Christopher Guest movies fit for me (Spinal Tap, Best in Show).
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Somehow I'm able to watch some movies like it's the first time and enjoy them all over again.
Hmmm... I might feel another viewing of The Caine Mutiny coming on!
Ok, speaking of John Cusack movies..... there are a few I can rewatch of his.
How about "Better Off Dead"? That one is hilarious. Stand by Me. Grosse Pointe Blank. Say Anything" definitely wasn't as good on second watch, however.
Oh man, I forgot some of my all time favorites. How about ANYTHING by the Coen brothers.
Blood Simple
The Big Lebowski
Oh Brother Where Art Thou?
Raising Arizona (!!!!!!!)
Miller's Crossing
Fargo
Man, these guys are awesome!
-Moo
Agreed on High Fidelity.
-Moo
Babette's Feast (one of the few I was able to watch again)
My Dinner with Andre
Definite trend here. :shades:
Now, give me four fried chickens and a Coke.
About Fight Club...it must be a male "thing". I can watch that over and over again. If you've got a good subwoofer in your home theater. it will shake your walls during that movie.
Moo....Christopher Guest is an aquired taste...at least for me. Like you, I know people who adore movies he's involved in. Personally, it's hard for me to sit through them. I'm probably a party of one when I say I hated Spinal Tap.
I'll have to put Festival Express in my Blockbuster que.
Highly recommended.
Spoiler Alert: Don't read any further if you don't like knowing anything about the movies you're watching.
Apparently in 1970, shortly after a certain giant festival was held, a promoter had a great idea. He would rent a train and put a ton of different musicians on it and send them across Canada playing at different venues. This was release in 2003 and shows some real favorites of mine. The Grateful Dead, Janis Joplin, Buddy Guy, and the Flying Burrito Brothers just to name a few. Really cool to watch and really cool to think about what you would be doing if you were on that train.
-Moo
Jack Black's character was tops, though!
I love mockumentarys.. Best in Show is a favorite... Waiting for Guffman, also..
The Grifters might be my favorite Cusack movie.
I agree with the Coen movies, also.. I never get tired of Fargo.. and, Raising Arizona? Cage has never been better.. O Brother, Where art Thou? Who knew George Clooney could act?
I love movies..
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Also, Das Boot, in German.
And Passion of the Christ too. A very powerful film.
Singing in the Rain
Top Hat
Daddy Long Legs
Silk Stockings
On the Town
An American in Paris
Brigadoon
I guess I favor any film with Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly. Btw, the absolutely BEST female dancer EVER in films was Cyd Charisse. :shades:
Your right about that. Back in the good old days of records I would get my hands on a lot of DMM's the sound quality of those equals anything that CD's can do today.
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Here is my point, to appeal to more people you have to appeal to a lower common denominator. In other words to appeal to more people you have to compromise on what could make it great. Sure Wells could have made CK appeal more to the general population but to do that he would have removed much of what makes that movie great.
Ask yourself this, who has greater music Mozart or Weird Al? Now ask who appeals to more people?
Cool Hand Luke
While a good movie I find that in to many places it tends to drag on.
Shrek
First one was very good, the second was even better, the third seemed like they just threw something together with little thought. It just didn't have the elements of the first two (although I did like Pinochio not telling a lie).
Now you go!
Movies I thought were cool?
Any thing with McQueen (the king of cool).
The Best Years of Our Lives
Glory (look closely you might see me)
Casablanca
The Haunting (original version)
Brazil
DOA (original version)
Laura
Maltese Falcon
Dead End
The Big Sleep
The Guardian
Band of Brothers (Ok its a mini-series)
Thats enough for now.
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The look on Faye Dunaway's face when she realizes that she betrayed him, and what she's lost.. Wow..
Forget Dunaway in Bonnie and Clyde and Network... In The Thomas Crown Affair, she was HOT!!
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I beg your pardon?
I missed being in the 4th of July parade in Jaws by a matter of days. Right place; wrong time.
While it was a good movie I was a little bit disappointed in it as I was hoping it was more like "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" which I read many years prior to "Bladerunner" being made.
Was Rick Deckard an android?
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Yes more so than Star Wars.
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Oh another great movie with a great line in it "If you want to make something of this I will be in the parking lot. I am a lot drunker than you are so it will be a fair fight".
Now that I think about it how about "Mr. Roberts"?
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Oh you don't have to beg you're old enough to steal.
Anyway I used to do historical re-enacting and I was at part of the filming of the movie "Glory" and if you know where to look you can get a halfway decent view of me in the background. I have caught myself and people I know on the History channel and was on live TV (ok it was C-Span does that count).
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I suggest an addition to your list of Musical & Dancers: Bob Fosse's All That Jazz. Good plot, pace and performance. I am not tired of seeing it.
As for other sort of movies well, there are many titles in my list and I cannot drop out any. Each of them has its own for me.
Jose
Here is my point, to appeal to more people you have to appeal to a lower common denominator.
Snake, I'm not talking about the masses. I'm talking about appealling to more than the .00001% of the people who act like they get it or the stuffy film buffs who refuse to believe that there is anything better than vinyl available. It may be an excellent movie. The "best of all time" is what has driven me up the wall for a day.
There are quite a few Independent films that I have really enjoyed that don't appeal to the masses. From what I have read, CK did not break any new ground with special effects or camera work. What Welles did was be the first to combine all those elements together at once. Fantastic!
If someone is going to say that a film is the best ever, then there better be some support to back it up. I slipped into a mild coma when I watched that movie. Why, in YOUR opinion, is that the best ever. Because AFI said it was? C'mon, Sheepweasel.
-Moo
I don't think that example is the best because "Weird Al" sucks. I think the majority of people would listen to Mozart. At any rate, I know where you're going with that.
The difference here is that I can appreciate the beauty in Mozart's compositions. I "get" it. While I may not break out a Mozart CD every day, I certainly can appreciate it and enjoy it. It also helps that I was a classically trained pianist for 14 years, but that's neither here nor there.
My issue with CK. I don't "get" it. Why would anyone in 2007 watch that movie? Compelling storyline? Comedic value? Learning about the human condition? And if the film can address anyone of those, is there a modern counterpart that can do it in a better way? The resounding answer is "yes", and CK is by no means the BEST movie of all time.
-Moo
I'm going off topic now. Guess we'll need to start a new discussion, Broadway and the Best Plays Ever!
-Moo
Jose
Come on now more than 30 people get and understand CK. Most people I have talked to that have seen the movie can tell me what Rosebud is.
From what I have read, CK did not break any new ground with special effects or camera work.
Not sure what you mean by breaking new ground. It did do a lot of things that were not done before and combined many effects and styles. You want new ground in CK try deep focus (see below) first used in CK. As well as a technique called wipe as well as several new types of camera angles.
Why, in YOUR opinion, is that the best ever. Because AFI said it was?
Well for one thing I was saying it was one of the best or it was the best since the early 80's that was well before AFI come out with their list.
Without writing a thesis on the film I will touch on a few things. The actual filming of the movie. There are several scenes in the movie where action in taking place at different intervals from the camera. Usually a director will focus the camera at what he wants the audience to focus on and change that focus when he wants us to focus on something else. Like when tow people (who are different distances from the camera) are talking the camera will focus on the one talking, when the other talks the focus will switch to the other. this is often unnoticed by the viewer. Instead of doing that Wells uses a technique called deep focus where everything is in focus and the viewer in one way or another decides on what to focus on. Different people will focus on different things. Even the same person will focus on different things when they view the picture again. This allows different people to get something a little different out of the movie.
I could go on with such things as what was the meaning of rosebud? The theme that nothing or no one is as simple as one would seem or try to force. The montage of Kane and his wife eating tells a complex story. The use of lighting, the use of table top photography and how it ties into the opening shots. The theme of how a man changes throughout his life and how power effects him. Not to mention how this movie influenced many film makers afterwards.
C'mon, Sheepweasel.
Now that was a cheep shot.
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