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Toyota Tacoma Diesel?
From time to time people mention that a 'diesel' Tacoma would be on a lot of peoples' shopping list if it was available. I'd hand over the cash as soon as this option became a certainty!
Toyota has a new 4.5 litre V8 turbo diesel engine, variable vane turbocharger with intercooler, DOHC with 32 valves, common-rail direct injection. Fuel economy (L/100Km) – 11.9L. (meets strict Euro IV emission standards)
'....Toyota's first ever intercooled, turbo diesel V8 delivering a massive 430Nm @ 1200rpm of class-leading torque for more towing grunt and 151kW @ 3400rpm ....'
Time to make a big song and dance to get these Tacos into production!
I wait with anticipation to see wait response this post gets.
Toyota has a new 4.5 litre V8 turbo diesel engine, variable vane turbocharger with intercooler, DOHC with 32 valves, common-rail direct injection. Fuel economy (L/100Km) – 11.9L. (meets strict Euro IV emission standards)
'....Toyota's first ever intercooled, turbo diesel V8 delivering a massive 430Nm @ 1200rpm of class-leading torque for more towing grunt and 151kW @ 3400rpm ....'
Time to make a big song and dance to get these Tacos into production!
I wait with anticipation to see wait response this post gets.
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If they dropped it in the Sequoia, I might shove aside my anti-SUV sentiment.
Anyone know what restrictions would be on it coming to CA? Larger pickups (1 ton) are allowed, but not sure about the lower end.
John
What markets currently have a common rail version of the D-Max? All I've been able to find so far are the Pacific rim direct injection versions. Interested what sort of performance numbers that thing makes. I assume its simmilar to European Trooper applications. At this point Im ready to buy from the first company to offer me a midsize TD, as long as it isn't Ford or Chrysler. Isuzu/GM, Toyota or Nissan would all be acceptable, provided the cost penalty on the diesel isnt too steep. in Europe the D4D models are actually cheaper than the V6.
Diesel Lover
P.S. I have a VW diesel and I'm nuts about it. It's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
The first company the comes out with a mid-size pickup with a diesel engine that produces about 170 HP and 275 ft lbs of torque and gets about 25 City/32 Hwy MPG gets my business.
I have no interest in a full-size. Just don't need something that big. I need a truck the can occasionally tow about 3000 lbs with a decent payload that is comfortable and econimically enough to take on a long trip.
The 2006 Tacoma fits the bill except I drive too much to have something that averages in the teens for mileage.
I would prefer it with independend rear suspension and AWD.
Looks like the Ford SportTrac in 2007 may be the first to offer it all.
Not a big Ford fan however.
John
G
The Subaru Baja, on the other hand, offers all that I want EXCEPT a cab that will fit 6'3" me.
Whoever comes out with an efficient, mid size diesel pickup, will likely get my business. Or, if the Baja gets super-sized and still makes 26 mpg, I would go there too.
The Ford SportTrac, or the Taco, with a diesel, will surely get a hard look.
John
The only real mistake honda made with the Ridgeline was to call it fullsize. Its less fullsize than the T100 (in my neighborhood these babies are still fetching a premium price) was. The ridgeline is the perfect midsize compromize for 90% of the market. ONly good argument I've heared was "How do you get to the spare tire if you got a load of gravel back there. If you took a survey, less than half of all pickup drivers could tell you the name of a place to get a load of gravel. But more about what we DO with our vehicles. Can I just survey those present. Just answer how you might use a Tacoma diesel, or similar vehicle (Frontier, Dakota, Ridgeline, Colorado, SportTrac): [my answers]
Miles used for on road commuting: [30000]
Biggest trailer that might end up behind it: [6000# car hauler]
Number of kids you'd like to be able to strap in the back seat: [2]
Months of snow/severe mud encountered each year: [3]
Number of times current vehicle has gotten stuck: [2]
Hours/miles spent monthly with vehicle fully loaded (people, stuff): [6/400]
Other vehicles in household: [none]
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All of the domestic mid-size trucks (Canyon, Dakota, Ranger) only get a moderate increase in fuel economy over their full size brothers, so I don't know why I wouldn't just buy the full size version. The gas version of the Toyota Tacoma gets "decent" fuel economy, but nothing to write home about compared to the 26 MPG Hilux (UK Tacoma). I hope the rumors are true about us getting the diesel version in a year or two. Heck, I'd be tempted to get a Canyon/Colorado if it had an Izuzu-Duramax diesel engine, I like the styling, but am suspect about GM quality for the long haul (100k+ miles).
The wife has a Diesel Jetta for her commute, and I really like the little diesel.
As for the competition, Nissan has their new frontier on sale in GB with a 2.5 liter TD and 178hp!
VR
amccom
I'm about ready to fly to Belize, buy one of these and drive it to the USA;)
Folks outside CA think we are 100% liberal here but let me tell you, agriculture is the #1 industry in CA and it takes quite a few of us rednecks to make that happen.
John
My expectation is that competition will lower the cost of the fuel. And, I think it is the gasoline engine that has more maintenance, not the diesel?
John
http://vpizza.org/~jmeehan/toyotadiesel/
Bob
I don't think that's an accurate depiction. Look on any pickup message boards and search for threads on oil change frequency. Regardless of brand, you will find a huge number of replies claiming, in essence, that your engine will blow up if you don't change your oil every 3-5,000 miles. See if you can find some of these same people ranting about the intervals (approaching 15,000 miles) with GM's Oil Life Monitor--they just go nuts.
I bet Toyota goes hybrid with the Tacoma before they go diesel. Now Tundra? That's a different story, Supposedly they will have a diesel ready for it by 2008. Actually, I wonder if they would ever consider putting that one in the Tacoma too. But it might be overkill.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
And think - those electric motors have WAY more torque off idle than any of the current diesels being used in the full-size pick-ups. Think of the engine more as a generator for trail use, with the electrics providing most of the short-distance towing power - there is definitely potential there, limited mainly by the battery technology. On paper, the hybrid powertrain is a better choice than any of the huge gas engines the domestics use. And they go head to head with the diesels, each side with its own pros and cons.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Dave Becker
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Here is what Toyota says about taking the Highlander Hybrid off road.
Highlander Hybrid in 2WD or 4WD-i is not designed to be driven off road
http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2006/highlander/models.html
I don't consider 3500 lbs adequate for towing much more than a jetski trailer.
What does the quality issues with domestics have in common with whether Toyota builds a hybrid PU truck? I think Toyota will find after testing it is a bad idea and go the diesel route. I could get interested in a mid sized Toyota diesel PU truck.
I don't see anyone doing a hybrid offroad truck that won't have that disclaimer.
I also think "towing" and "hybrid" are mututally exclusive terms that may never be seen together in working fashion. I'd be interested to know how those GMC hybrids are doing. I understand contractors love them because they can plug in their tools, but I wonder if they are using them to haul things, or if they are relegated to light duty.
I would be surprised if anyone does anything diesel, and I say that as Jeep pulls their Liberty diesel for next year. They MAY keep a Grand Cherokee diesel using a Mercedes diesel, but we'll see. I think the domestics will be far behind, again, and that a foreign truck will be first to it.
As for what domestic quality issues have to do with Toyota, I'll bet that Ford's problems with the PowerStroke made everyone pay attention. I have read repeatedly the following: Ford lost some loyal customers over that, right at the time a new competitor comes on the scene (Toyota). I have also heard that Cummins engines need frequent rebuilds, though I can't find that one to prove to you. If diesel towing is the way to go for anyone, it seems that GM is the way to go.
And, for whatever it is worth, I had a Tundra that I loved, but I had two issues with it: one, and minor at worst, was that the front seat basically came apart at 45K miles, and two, very serious, the sludge monster ate my V-6 at the same amount of miles, and Toyota wouldn't fix. In 2004, I needed a $5K rebuild, and Toyota was going to make me pay. I was down to 10MPG. I got rid of it. My father has the same truck and has used synthetic oil and has never had a burp with his.
Dave Becker
The EPA Nox regulation for 2007, is so strict, VW TDI will stop arriving in 2007.
In comparison: With a similar measured interest rate approach the FED chairman would have been booted IMMEDIATELY.
What they are effectively saying: 30% fuel economy not important, greenhouse gas emmissions don't care, NOx BIN 8 to 5, lets stop small diesel engine production.
Thats political, whos giving EPA marching orders, I wonder ?
I have one and it is not a hybrid in the sense that Toyota is. It stops the engine at lights. It uses the gas engine for all power. Has regen braking to charge the batteries. Has a 42 VOLT common lead acid battery. I used the AC in a power outage two weeks ago. Kept our refrigerators from defrosting. The vehicle is VERY quiet. Cannot really tell when the engine shuts off and starts.
If GMC was not using such thin sheet metal, I would give the vehicle 5 stars. It is just too tinny for me. I liked the pre 1999 PU trucks better.
I do think you are right about who gets here first with a small diesel PU truck. I will probably sell the GMC Hybrid and buy the diesel. Even if it is a Toyota.
To me, fuel consumption in America has never been particularily important and 'the bigger the better'. Diesels seem to be, only a 'heavy-duty' thing too. You only need to look at the rest of the globe and see how far behind the American market is in terms of light-duty diesel availability. (thank your government for that maybe)
In New Zealand and Australia the diesel Hilux in various forms has been the backbone of both farming and general industry for decades. These vehicles reliabilty would amaze 'Joe Average' in america and have been used in some of the most harsh conditions on the planet.
Unfortunately I had to buy a petrol V6 VVTi 2005 Tacoma (re no diesel). I've even contemplated converting to the 1HD-FTE (I6cyl) diesel engine, 4.2L 201Hp 430Nm torque and 31MPG (US)(from the 100 series Landcruiser) but a little harsh for a new truck and that engine is due for an update. A mate in OZ has a new Hilux which uses the 1KD-FTV 3.0L D-4D (EDI) engine (I4cyl). 163Hp 410Nm torque and 37MPG(US). Apologies for not converting Nm to LB/ft.
Hopefully, one day soon Toyota will produce a TDI Tacoma. If the only issue is associated to emissions i'm sure this could be overcome. Even Bio-diesel seems to be a major player in Western Europe and can be bought at local gas stations too. The demands of the American market should dictate a swing to diesel but it will be the governments that bring about this change.