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BMW 335i vs Infiniti G37
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2.) Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires: good idea however you get 2-3 less mpg and they tend to be slippery when cold (before driving 15-20 minutes).
ROTFLMAO!
I used to think that when I was younger but the performance difference in today's cars considering the price to do it right vs.utility is just not worth it (read:EGO BOOST ONLY).
In a BMW, if you want performance, get any of the M cars. The 335 is a sedan with a great blend of performance that can't be maximized on the roads by 99% of the owners anyway. Watch the warranty when upgrading even if you lease, by the way.
Dinan upgrdes are OK if you are going to use the car for the track.
All hobbies come with a cost and racing has a higher cost to the non-do-it-yourself set.
To each his own. No point to me. I'll take it stock,please.
Regards,
OW
I agree with your sentiment..I only wish everyone else did as well. I won't let insulting remarks go unchecked. I hope you'd agree with me on that one.
I come here to talk about cars. Specifically..I'm talking about cars that I'm seriously considering. This isn't just casual talk here. I've used Edmunds forums since around... 1999 I believe..when I bought my first car on the internet. Toyota Camry XLE V6. I must've posted hundreds of posts..and read tens of thousands..No exageration.
Right now, the 335i and G37 are on my radar. And I appreciate impressions and friendly suggestions. I also appreciate the freedom to post my opinions about CARS..and not people.
Ok..lets get back to talking about the cars I and millions of others want to buy already.
Keep it friendly.
Joseph
San Diego
blog: http://www.carspace.com/blogs/enthusiastsdilemma08
It's sporty, elegant, relatively simple..has great low end torque and handling, its steering feel is great.
Unfortunately, its missing a sporty extreme edge I wish it had..More in appearance than anything else. Hard to explain... well..just look at its interior..for example. Yes it's refined inside and tidy, but it's just a tad bland no? The front bumber is also, way too tame IMO. dishing out $50k should be a bit more exciting
Joseph
San Diego
blog: http://www.carspace.com/blogs/enthusiastsdilemma08
Heres a thought, why don't you test drive the stuffings out of the two contenders and post your comments. This way we can talk about the cars instead of picking on other members' posts.
If you want true race level performance, these both seem put of your prferences.
Try the 135i in a few months or the '08 Mitsu Evolution MR/WRX STi. Might be better for you.
Regards,
OW
Maybe you should check out the Cadillac CTS, Acura TL-S, and Lexus IS-350. All are arguably more stylish/edgy looking than the 3-series, and many people on these forums think the interiors are nicer too.
The experience was kind of like having a perfect dinner at a fine Italian restaurant.
It reminded me of a recent experience I had one peaceful night on Thompson St. in the Village, NYC. There I was with a beautiful girl that I care about in front of me to watch while I feast on one of my favorite dishes.. Zoupe de Pesce, sipping on Pinor Noir and after which having esspresso and chocolate gelato before having a short pleasant walk back to myplace. It was really nice.I remember asking myself in the morning; how much more complete can a night get??
That's how I felt after the test drive! Thoroughly satisfied.
Joseph
San Diego
blog: http://www.carspace.com/blogs/enthusiastsdilemma08
I know that the powertrains are all the same, I just did not feel comfortable in the 335i sedan, as I explained if maybe it was the door pillar in my peripheral, I don't know but the coupe felt more airy and hence was my choice if I were to go with the BMW. they were obviously the same power-wise but the sloped windshield made the coupe feel nicer for me.
So basically my preference for the coupe was not based on driving but on style and I simply enjoyed being in the coupe more.
If you do go with a 335i, you would be wasting your money with any "xi" model it adds weight, worse gas mileage and it really does not address the challenges of winter driving. Get a 335i, winter wheel/tires and simply drive prudently knowing that you have traction control and anti-skid, which is probably the single most important technological development to safer winter driving. Take it from me, I am in Ottawa where we have crazy winters!
I beg to differ, and for the record, the G35x suffers "the same" weight issues as the "xi".
AWD adds quite of driveability in snow and totally mitigates winter driving conditions especially with 4 snow tires, except for sheet ice. Having owned AWD, RWD, RWD with snows and FWD...AWD offers the best traction, yes at the expense of some added weight. AWD and all seasons is more versatile and stable than RWD with snows.
Even if I lived where it snowed in the winter..I'd opt for snow tires rather than get the xi. And, if someone lived where it snowed very oftern, a 3series BMW should not even be a consideration IMO. In extreme weather, I'd probably consider an SUV or pickup truck.
Thank God I no longer live in Vermont. A beautiful place in its own right, but sheet metal rusts there faster than I thought possible. If I owned a 3series there, I'd garage it until the summer, and drive an F150 or Tacoma or something all other times.
Joseph
San Diego
my blog: http://www.carspace.com/blogs/enthusiastsdilemma08/
You may have better driveability, certainly form a stop light but if you are entering a bend, what is AWD going to do for you? You will still plow into a snowbank and park your car next to the 4x4 that is stuck as well. Dynamic Stability Control, or yaw control or anti-skid will stop your winter-tired rwd car from meeting that snowbank. That is the greatest challenge of winter driving, a car that starts to slide and short of being a very experienced driver, this mechanism is the be all and end all of winter driving, IMHO.
AWD is overrated.
The reason you believe AWD is overrated is your priority is different. By the way it's just as easy to end up in a ditch with RWD as with AWD. And, AWD will outaccelerate RWD in snow. I'll take the added stopping distance of a foot, due to the added weight.
I drove my 330i with all-seasons for a few winters. You can get by with anything.
Regards,
OW
Regards,
OW
1) how heavily equipped you want your car
2) how you define "comparably equipped"
3) how deep a discount is achievable at the local dealers for each car
For me, I could not get the "comparably equipped" price difference below $10k. For a 6mt sport with premium package (I could care less about nav or tech) I was able to get the price below $38k + TTL. There is no way I was going to get a Dallas dealer to give me a 335i coupe with Sport + Premium + Comfort Access + heated seats + satellite radio + iPod connector + 19" wheels (pretty much as close to comparably equipped as I can get) for $43.5k + TTL. If I could have done that, I would have (and I gave them a clear chance to do so), but none would even go down to $47k at the time. I'm glad you like the 335i (it is fantastic), but you should consider yourself very lucky if you only paid a $6k premium comparably equipped.
I have a 2006 330I and want to go to a 2009 335I however I have heard horror stories about the 335 engine fuel system problems and six week waits for parts and fixes. And engine stopping on freeways.
I am going to look at the G35 however I see its now called a G37 so I have some reading and test driving to do. When your going to spend around $50K on a machine it should have quality and reliability to say the least.
Anyone with comments, suggestions or advise please respond
Owner6
I own a 2008 335i sedan, manual with sports package. It's been about 4 months now. Here's my advice.
The G37 isn't as refined nor engaging compared to the 335i. If you want
more (performance, handling, experience than the 335i, I'd suggest looking into a 370Z providing you don't mind less utillity..but the 370Z will probably give both..more performance and "perhaps" better reliability compared to the 335i. Don't forget however, BMW offers free maintainance for 4 years 50k. That's a big deal people may overlook.
The 335i, for me, is the best of possible sports sedans currently made. Sure, I'd say your chances of needing to replace a fuel pump are well above 50%..but it'll be on BMW's dime..and mine only took 3 days to replace. The 335i is a beauty to drive..especially with a manual transmission. Sure, I wish it had even more torque and was even lighter..but there is no other car out there (other than the hidious 135i) that will beat its package for the money. The 335i may not have as many fancy gadgets, bells and whisles as the G37..but those things are distractions from what is most important..the driving experience. In my view, it is easy to take the 335i's performance for granted...meaning..it does its job so well, and thoroughly, it becomes expected. Stepping into any other car in its class immediately reviels the truth however. The 335i sets the benchmark.
As for buying one..I'd highly recommend looking at the used market right now as it is is flooded with good deals. the 2008 model is identicle to the 2009 in every important respect and costs thousands less.
Good luck finding which car is best for you..
Joseph
San Diego
Maybe its the runflats, or maybe I'm more comfortable with the 4-wheel steering than others, but I found the G37S to be much more engaging than the 335i.
Call it steering feel, feedback, connectivity, whathaveyou, I felt the G had more of it.
I also maintain that everyone's opinion differs based on experience. So I recommend anyone interested to do their own homework thoroughly.
this could also be the LSD that comes standard on the G37, and isn't offered on the 3-series. I'm used to being able to come out of a corner under a fair amount of power. And the G37S did this surprisingly well.
It could also be the chassis stiffness. Thats where most of the handling improvements of the new 370Z and G37 come from. Nissan won't hesitate to add a couple pounds if it means no body roll.
I just felt the G to be more compliant, thus urging me to push it harder.
From what I've read, the G37 is much improved. If so, I would be inclined to choose it over the 335i just for the durability of a non-turbo, japanese reliability, and of course, it has normal tires and a dip stick!
The 370Z, while ugly, looks to be the sports car to beat for 2009. Following in it's ancestors footsteps, it performs like a Porsche Cayman for 1/2 the price - on paper anyways.
Yeah, plus the LSD, which is a high-dollar aftermarket add-on everywhere else.
If Nissan can figure out how to get the kind of fuel economy that the BMW mills can deliver when they're being gently driven, then they'll have the whole package.
Having the power available is great (damn the MPGs at that point), but it's also necessary these days to be able to sip fuel on the highway as well.
And they probably think that LSD expands your mind... :P
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
No comment on the mileage, other than most G owners don't seem to be overly happy with their results...
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The Gx gets better city mileage while having 100hp more. I think it probably is the new 7 speed auto vs. the bimmers 6 speed?
The 335i convertible is impressive. It takes off like a rocket when you floor-it.
I did notice an odd engine noise and possibly mid-body feel as I floored it, like something was wrong. Not sure what that was. But this car can climb a hill with acceleration some cars can't do down-hill! It's incredible. Must be the low-end torque.
Overall I liked the G37 better. Possibly not fair, though, because the G37 was the coupe, not the convertible. Dealers won't let you test drive the convertible until you make the paperwork like you're going to buy it, then you can tear-up the contract if you drive around the block and decide you don't like it. That's what they said. Ridiculous, isn't it?
The G drove better, felt more poised with tighter steering, groaned the right way when floored, and felt like it had more power. It also comes with more bells and whistles for $10k less sticker than the beemer.
as an aside, I drove a lexus is250 convertible (the 350c is not yet at the dealers) and it's a piece of junk. I'm not kidding, a prius has more pick-up.
But the price difference is indeed astonishing...C&D says the G37 is like a 335i for 328i money. It's actually more like 128 money!
I think one would be happy whichever way you choose. I prefer a complete package and its hard for me to justify the premium of the fully loaded 335i. Others would not ask this question cos they have deeper pockets, it makes sense to get the 335i in those circumstances.
PART 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0B50ULfBYM
PART 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXddwNy8uRg
Enough Said.
:confuse:
BMW is having trouble with the 335i engines. Have heard of problems big time. Why would you compare a car that has consistent problems. Just goes to show that BMW does not do force induction well. The M3s a few years ago also had problems. For the price, you expect to have something that doesn't break. The video says it all.
At last, this G37 vs 335i debate can end, In any case we have always lost to the 335i:)
The G37 is a great car that does compare well with the 335i. But you get what you pay for, and the G does cost $7000 less than the Bimmer.
Comparing Japanese and European cars usually boils down to the same equation. Do you want superlative driving dynamics ((driveline, suspension, etc.) at a price premium, or do you want a good, reliable car with lots of bells and whistles and a bargain price?
Cant argue with that. "Superlative driving dynamics " are great when mixed with an engine with great oomph. 335i & S4 do a great job at it and these 2 are simply in their own league, as you said, 1st off they are priced higher, 2nd nothing else comes close in ELLPS in respect of performance (the only ones under 5s to 60)maybe instead of ELLPS, call it Super ELLPS, dont know, whatever you wanna call it LOL. Anyway, lets see how things play out from here
To each his own, of course, but to argue that the G37 only offers "bells and whistles" is just silly.
I brought in the S4 into the discussion, its a car similarly priced as the 335i yet faster, is a german car so those who are german car freaks will not argue it handles just as well, is loaded with features and has an absolutely great interior, and did I mention its priced just like the 335i. BTW, the German magazines are overwhelmingly voting in its favor in comparisons between the 2.
The problem I honestly have with the 335i is I never thought at any stage that this car was worth the premium over the G, the S4 I would consider at that price since it actually does surpass the G at everything other than projected reliability. "Superlative driving dynamics" are not exclusive to the German manufacturers, if an Evo (Japanese) can be recognized as having great track manners, so its not hard to imagine that Nissan (who produce the GTR btw) can do just as good a job as BMW.
Read my post again - that's not what I said. Summary:
BMW = superior driveline and suspension refinement, fewer features, higher price.
Infiniti = somewhat less refinement, more features, lower price.
It's a nice car, but If it's not RWD, it's not on my radar.