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2009 Honda Civic
I know what you are thinking. This is a thread about the 09 version. Apparently according to Hondas release schedule the Civic will get a MMC for 09. No info has been released but some usual changes will be made. Possibly some Hybrid and NGV changes could be made as well.
As this time goes on more info will be posted as soon as it's a available. Stay tuned for more updates.
As this time goes on more info will be posted as soon as it's a available. Stay tuned for more updates.
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i would imagine:
a few new colors, or at least color combos
slightly different front fascia and taillights (and maybe a chrome exhaust tip standard on the ex sedan?)
145 hp for the hp wars
and maybe a true analog tach like in the 07 accord, instead of one that is backlit a la fit. it'll make the display match a little better too.
That's unfortunate for me, because I'd like to see some dramatic improvements. New bumpers, new grille, new tail lights.... well, okay, there's a chance we'll see some of this. But what I'd really like to see is a new interior. Nicer materials. New dashboard. Traditional gauges (goodbye two-tiered dash!), new gearshift and parking brake... The interior is the main reason why I refuse to purchase the current Civic.
I'd like to buy a Hybrid, too, but I'd like to see black or gray interior colors. WTF is up with blue as an option?
Backy, on a side note. Just left BJ's and they had a leather lined 6 cylinder Sonata in the front and it was unlocked. Couldn't believe how nice the leather surfaces were, smooth and soft as a babys butt! Seemed very upscale to me, but we haven't had leather since the '60's & '70's when the folks drove Cadillacs and Lincolns. Comfortable seats also and pretty nice ergonomics to boot. A step down from the Camry and Accord, but Hyundai is 9/10's of the way there. Was very impressed to say the least. And I'd bet the Sonata is only a little bigger than the Civic in length anyways. Good job Hyundai!
The Sandman
This is my 1st Honda after 4 Toyotas (3 Camrys, 1 Highlander). I think there are a few things that need to change (some are more possible than others) for 2009 et al.
A few quirks come to mind:
1) the fundamental uselessness of high-revving/low torque engines for urban use is a biggie. Probably means this will be my only Honda. Fun car, just absolutely gutless.
2) why not have the headlights JUST TURN OFF instead of the stupid noisemaker? The cost of the required relay is probably less than the chirper thingee.
3) (coupe only). When you do the auto-move on the passenger seat to access the rear seating area, why can't it go back to the recline angle that it had? Every time you do this you have to reset the seatback angle. PITA
4) Is the civic the only car in the world without visor exensions?
Little things I like, and hope won't change:
1) the hide-away hanger hooks in the rear seat. clean design and durable.
2) the cast-in arrow in the oil pan to denote the oil-drain plug. genius.
3) the correctly-oriented oil filter (unlike toyota's insane upside-down filter, which guarantees oil spill and since it happens to be right above the exhaust manifold, a stinky one at that.)
4) worth mentioning again: the two-level dash. excellent.
5) the sliding center armrest
6) cover over the center cup holders
7) the combo trunk/gas release, altho it could be a bit smaller and less garrish.
and sandman, the Hundai leather (and that of any new car) is a far cry from that in the domestics of the 60s-70s. I drove lots of those (and worked for a cadillac dealer in the mid 70s). That leather was solid hide, today's is bonded leather, which is basically pieces-parts glued to a fabric and is incredibly thin. It does not hold up.
I agree! The last two cars I bought (both of which cost a lot less than a Civic, btw) have auto-off headlamps and it's just so logical, I don't understand why Honda wouldn't add that to the Civic. It can't be very expensive.
Nope. My $23k MSRP 2006 Accord doesnt have them. My grandmother's lower-level $19k 2002 Accord has them. Go figure!
Does anyone know if they are going to offer Stability Control on the LX & EX, and not just the SI? Doesn't make sense. It's a life - saver.
How about a diesel engine? That'd be fantastic! Much better mileage.
Portable gps with bluetooth works well enough except that you have to pull out your portable navi all the time so that the bluetooth handsfree will be available in case you get a call even if you only need the navi for driving directions a few times a month.
If you use your gps to find addresses every day this doesn't matter, but I bet most people only need driving directions once in a while.
I hope they make factory bluetooth available like it is in the Nissan Sentra and not require factory nav like they do on the Accord.
In Australia, the Civic was similar to the one in the U.S 4 door, and did not have the hatch. Last year, they introduced the European Civic Type R hatchback. Can this be possible for 09?
For 2011, when the next model change is expected, do you all think they will make it available like previous years to own a hatch and a coupe?
Nope. My $23k MSRP 2006 Accord doesnt have them. My grandmother's lower-level $19k 2002 Accord has them. Go figure!
I'd like to correct that. I just realized the WHOLE VISOR slides on its arm in my Accord. Maybe the Civic does as well?
"VSA for non-Si trims" is vague.
I assume the 350W stereo is just adding the small sub and amp that the EX coupes have had since the 2006 models.
Refreshed front and rear ends
Rumored LED tailamps
New 17" wheels for the Si
Revised tuning on the Si should give a small boost
2 New replacement colors. 1 is Si Only
Colors are supposed to be pearl white and some gray color.
VSA for non Si trims
Also a 350W stereo for EX and maybe hybrid sedans which is a possibility.
Maybe bluetooth on navi models or as an optional accessory.
Thats about a standard MMC as you can get.
Also, where did you get the updated info?
The seats pick up lint something fierce but are very comfortable.
When moved to the side windows, people often need to extend them further towards the rear of the vehicle for the visor to block sunlight entering from the side windows. The complaint isn't that they don't come down far enough. Make sense?
They could have done the same for the 2008 Accord (that was a totally new redesign) and yet they didn't, so it is very unlikely for the 2009 Civic.
Maybe the 2011 redesign.
Oh I see yes extending them rearward makes sense I guess. I haven't had a reason to need that feature yet, since we've had more snow than sun but either way the Si visors do not extend and they are hard plastic as well.
Probably not going to happen.
Man, I'd love to see the new halogen projectors and refreshed rear(for the sedan, coupe looks fine as it is IMO).
and if VSA were standard it would be awesome!
Maybe with standard VSC on at least some trims, Civic can take the CR "Top Pick" crown back from the Elantra SE, which grabbed it for 2008 partially because it offers standard ESC.
However, that also helped Honda in the case of the Accord:
"In one category, family sedans, the Nissan Altima outscored the Honda Accord but lost out to the Accord because stability control is available only on an upgraded trim level."
If Nissan adds standard or widely-available VSC to the Altima next year, Honda could lose the family sedan category for 2009.
A 2009 Altima 2.5S or 2.5 SL with stability control would be a nice family sedan for people who don't need the additional rear legroom of the new Accord.
For 2008, you have to get a pretty loaded Altima (and with the V6 or hybrid only) to get stability control on any Altima at all and that dropped it off CR's rankings.
You have to get an Si model to get VSC on the Civic today, so that removed the Civic from eligibility this year even if the Civic might have had more points than the Elantra in other areas.
The Accord did not get an AUX input when the 206 Civic got it. They waited until the redesigned 2008 Accord and they may do the same with USB and the Civic.
2) A slightly revised instrument panel, probably with a new optional car stereos that include switchable high-speed USB 2.0 port direct control for Apple iPods, Microsoft Zunes, Sandisk Sansas and higher-end Creative ZEN portable media players through the car stereo controls.
3) Revised valve timing on the R18 and K20Z3 engines for slightly more power and/or better fuel economy.
One thing I'm watching for is whether Honda finally replaces the 5AT unit that has been around since 2003 on the Accord. If we go to a 6AT unit (which is quite possible given Honda's recent Japanese patents on small, compact automatic transmission designs), that could result in better acceleration and better fuel economy since the engine can be allowed to rev lower at freeway speeds.
Should I just bite the bullet to go with a LX or maybe a Fit 5M (but can't find them in my area).
Thanks
Are you suggesting that 15" wheel/tire assemblies will last 40,000 miles and a 16" setup won't? If that's the case, I'm thinking that you've been grossly misinformed, as I've never seen any scientific or empirical evidence that suggest a tire wear difference between 15" and 16" tires. FWIW, six of my last eight cars have had 16" (or larger) wheel/tire assemblies, and the only one that didn't get 40,000 miles out of a set of tires was the one that came equipped with summer only performance tires, tires that are designed to stick to the pavement well at the expense of tread life (which is typically between 15,000 and 25,000 depending upon how aggressively they're used). The flip side of course is that I just replaced a 16" set of tires on one of our cars late last year, and the set that I took off still looked pretty good after 65,000 miles. In fact, they looked good enough that had it not been for the fact that winter was looming large, I'd have left them on for an easy 10,000 more miles.
As for going opting for an LX, if you need A/C, you're probably best off paying the extra $1,950 and getting the car with factory air. Think about it this way, that comes out to less than a $1,000 difference between the LX and the DX once you have A/C added to the latter (assuming you can find an aftermarket A/C system that is compatible with R134A for $1,000 installed). For the extra grand, you'll get a car that most probably has a more reliable HVAC system as well as a security system with remote lock/unlock, power mirrors, power locks, cruise control, a better audio system, a center console, and factory floor mats. I'm thinking that the extra money is well worth it.
Best Regards,
Shipo
Hope this helps
Also, check the tires' treadwear rating. That will be the deciding factor, not the size of the tire.
Hey, where did you get the info that the 09 will not have fiji blu and habanero red, and will stop production in May?
Well, if its true I'm glad I am getting my SI in blue next week
Would you know if there any changes for the new model?
When the aux jack came on the 2006 Civic, the 2006 Accord didn't get it. They waited for the 2008 redesign before adding that feature.