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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,484
    For me, Volvo and Mazda's association with Ford made me far less likely to consider a Volvo or Mazda, and that effect on me lingers somewhat even to this day.

    For instance, Mercedes just doesn't interest me as the infection of Chrysler lingers. The stench is hard to get rid of :)
    Toy '16 Audi TTS quattro AWD, Commuter '17 VW Golf AllTrack SE 4-Motion AWD, Wife's '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6T FWD
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 5,173
    Didn't know you were talking world-wide. Let's stick to North America. Was Hummer ever sold at stand-alone dealers? Not in my experience. Same with Geo.

    OK, perhaps I should have said "brands" instead of "divisions". And yes, worldwide if it's part of GM.
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,302
    Likewise. My Cadillac dealer had a Hummer franchise for a while until they moved to their new location.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 10,659
    There's treatment for obsessions and compulsions today, you know. ;)
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    association with Ford made me far less likely to consider a Volvo

    Had the exact opposite association for me and I remember seeing Volvo's reliability scores go up after Ford got them.

    The results are in:

    General Motors 3Q profit falls 12 percent on Europe losses, North America warranty costs (Washington Post)

    "Its overall performance soundly beat Wall Street expectations, pushing up the stock price in Wednesday premarket trading.

    Excluding one-time items, GM made 93 cents per share, easily beating Wall Street expectations of 60 cents.

    That drove GM shares up $1.05, or 4.5 percent, to $24.33 in premarket trading."

    Only in America can falling profits juice your stock value. :D
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,302
    Jaguar's association with Ford definitely improved their image over the dismal days when they were associated with the abyssmal British-Leyland.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 10,659
    I have to believe that recalls of cars still under warranty would fall under 'warranty costs'. That 400K recall of Cruzes is unfortunately probably part of that number.

    I still like the Cruze.

    Matter of fact, Ford's dismal quality ratings of late wouldn't keep me from buying one if I've liked them in the past, like the current product, and have a good dealer.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,863
    "Its overall performance soundly beat Wall Street expectations,

    This is what the market cares about - did earnings best expectations this quarter.

    I have a stock that once beat all the analysts expectations soundly except for one - and the stock took a beating that day. It didn't matter that all indicators were up. The market concentrated on one thing - an increase in marketing expenditures.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It's just driver error like the toyotas

    Remember Edmunds found that the complaint rate for SUA was twice as bad for Ford as it was for Toyota up until Nov 09.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Our Vega rusted almost immediately. I don't think rust is flammable so the fire claim must be bogus. :D
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Ford will improve as the learning curve for MyFord touch improves. This is a matter of customers learning things. People have a hard time giving up buttons and knobs.

    I predict this dip will be temporary, especially as others adopt similar tech (Entune for Toyota, UVO for Kia, etc).
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Not a GM on the [10 least reliable] list.

    That's huge, actually.

    In reality poor reliability has far more "veto" power than good reliability will ever sell cars.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited October 2012
    I've always liked these Lambdas and a neighbor and a friend just picked up a couple of these.

    Neighbor got a CPO Traverse in granite metallic. Handsome color. 2nd neighbor to buy one of these, though the other one drove it to California when they moved.

    Life long friend also picked up a new Enclave, 2012, leather plus navi, dual moonroof (nice), backup cam. $42k but lacking exactly nothing. Pretty sweet ride. Pearl white with 19" rims.

    He's a little self conscious about being too young for a Buick (in his eyes), and also felt like they splurged too much, but the wife pushed for it, and helped pay.

    They got a 9 year warranty with something like 85k miles, since they do few miles per year, and financed it for 6 years. So it will be paid off and they'll still have 3 years left on the warranty, not bad I suppose. That is a long loan, though.

    Traded in a Chevy TrailBlazer so loyal to GM.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    I dunno... Some Vegas probably caught fire when the insurance policy overheated and burst into flames...
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 10,659
    edited October 2012
    My grandparents actually bought the very first new Vega our dealer got in...a '71 dark green cheapo sedan, one-barrel, 3-speed, pumpkin-colored interior with rubber on the floor. I remember seeing it the day the dealer got it (I about lived there at the time, despite only having a bike as mobility). They went from a '67 Impala Sport Coupe to this! Theirs was one of two Vegas in the showroom on Vega introduction day in late '70--Vegas were introduced separately from the rest of the new '71 Chevys. The other was a lime green hatchback automatic with Custom interior...much nicer, but Grandpa said he tried out the back seat and hit his head in the hatchback.

    They only had 6K (yes, that's right) miles in six years, 'til Grandpa stopped driving. It sat out all the time, and in NW PA, but only had the slightest beginning of a bubble on top of the LF fender in around '75. The Chevy dealer 'repaired' it for free. No rust around the windshield. I was lobbying for the car, but they ended up selling it to my aunt who lived about an hour away. Her husband said he had to replace the fuel filter twice en route home! I occasionally have dreams that they're still alive and I go to visit them and that Vega is in a garage near the house.
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    If you emailed them, would they be able to send you the links or the info???
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    If you have a pressing need to know something, perhaps. They probably use all that stuff to fact check all the editorial side stuff. We often have more entertaining reading in the forums, probably because we get a bit loosey-goosey with hard data.
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,302
    edited November 2012
    Even I can't defend the Vega except to say it was about the most attractive subcompact car on the market at the time.

    My Grandmom traded her super-reliable black 1964 Chevrolet Biscayne sedan for a mustard colored new 1973 Vega. Even as an eight year-old kid, I could see this was a sloppily built car. There were a lot of cheap and ill-fitting hard plastic bits, the headliner was this perforated particle-board stuff that looked like it was warped in one corner, and it was cramped and uncomfortable in the back for my six year-old brother and I. Many is the time when brother and I sat in the back while Grandmom was at the Chevy dealer complaining about one malady after another to the mechanic with the hood of the Vega raised. Grandmom should be nominated for sainthood as she tolerated this turd for 7 years before replacing it with a new 1980 Chevrolet Monza that turned out to be a much better car. The Vega? It was scrapped and the junkyard gave her a generous $75 for it!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Even I can't defend the Vega except to say it was about the most attractive subcompact car on the market at the time

    It obviously had some appeal - look how many of our families owned one.

    I guess it disappointed a lot of people by not meeting expectations.

    I think we still talk about it several decades later because these small cars (Vega, Pinto, Pacer) opened the door for imports as alternatives.

    Today, the Cruze, Dart, and Focus are fully competitive cars and shouldn't create disloyalty the way those older cars did.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    look how many of our families owned one.

    Seven years, almost two million sold.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My brother (actually, sister-in-law) just took delivery of her new Chevy Spin. Here's what they look like:

    I thought it was a long wheelbase Buick Encore, from the look of it, but looks like it's actually a stretched Cobalt platform (new Cobalt, not the predecessor to the Cruze).
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,302
    If not for the license plate identifying it, this would've been a good pic for "Mystery Car Pics."
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,484
    Seven years, almost two million sold.

    Unlike explaining 5 trillion dollar tax cuts, the math on this one is easy.

    That's over 250,000 sold per year! Pretty good!

    I wonder if GM made any money on the Vega considering how much warranty work they must have spent.
    Toy '16 Audi TTS quattro AWD, Commuter '17 VW Golf AllTrack SE 4-Motion AWD, Wife's '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6T FWD
  • fintailfintail Posts: 46,251
    My eyes!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'll post one using Picasa, good idea.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Oh c'mon fin, not everyone can afford a $70,000 AMG super sedan.

    GM has to make cars for plebes, too.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 46,251
    edited November 2012
    Plenty of cheap cars aren't so visually disturbing. It's not even Asian-goofy, it's just a shapless blob.

    Not to mention, given the socio-economics of Brazil, someone who is buying that Chevy is the relative equivalent of a new AMG buyer here.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Not quite, that's a pretty mainstream car. It replaces the Meriva microvan, so fairly affordable relatively speaking.

    Reminds me of the Buick Encore a little, with an awkward wheebase stretch.

    Hers has a tiny 3rd row and is flex fuel. Funny - it makes more power on Ethanol vs. gas.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 46,251
    I guess it is tall, so it can haul stuff. Might be the best merit. "Awkward" is a way to describe it.

    What percentage of the population there could afford it, though? That's what I was getting at.
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