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I guarantee one reason tossed about in GM boardrooms is that with the lack of visibility on the long warranty, less people will "remember" to bring their cars back for warranty service after 50,000 miles. Less claims, less costs.
Where are the police? Too busy getting so-called "speeders?"
Heck, you call 911 around here, you'll be lucky if they show up in half an hour.
Nobody denies Honda has had some problems. Not perfect, as you would say.
But do you *really* think GM's cars have been more reliable than Honda? Even after 100K miles?
One either knows that's not true, or there's a reality issue going on.
At least it's a hot mess, rather than a cold mess like some others. I see analogies to *ahem* other situations but that's not the subject of this board. :P
Just think, if we legalized the drugs, they would be so cheap that you could actually keep your Garmin, and they would have a bigger chance of OD'ing and simplifying the gene pool.
I have not had oil consumption issues in any of my Chevys--or any other engine issues for that matter--in the 90's mileage as someone here posted their father is experiencing with an '09 Accord. These two things are reality.
Since you brought it up, I just learn from what others have said about the perfect cars.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I dunno Lemko...I think you're too much of a Cadillac man. And the '55 Caddy was a beautiful car, and I'd say definitely the top choice. The '55 Lincoln just looked too much like a tarted up Mercury, and really doesn't exude luxury IMO. The Imperial did, but just wasn't different enough from a Chrysler New Yorker.
Now, if it was a used car you were looking for, say in 1958, I could see getting a Packard over the other three, just to be different. But if it was a new car, I think you'd go right for the Caddy.
I've tended to have a preference for middle-of-the-road cars, like Pontiac, Olds, Buick, Chrysler, DeSoto. In '55, I could have seen me buying a new DeSoto, but then I wonder if I would have been seduced into trading on a new '57, only to be burned by quality issues and vow never to buy a Mopar again?
I had the transmission replaced on a 90 Dodge minivan at 77K miles, when the warranty period at the time was 70K miles, done under goodwill.
I had a 00 Chrysler Concorde that burned oil from day one, most likely from a bad valve guide/seal on cylinder 6 that Chrysler and the dealer refused to fix. About every 10K miles I had to replace plug #6, which the dealer graciously offered to do for me as long as the car was under warranty, but because it didn't meet the requirement of using a quart every 750 miles or less, it wasn't considered a warranty issue. They did offer to repair it for a fee, which I declined.
I traded my 2002 S-10 pickup (40K miles) for a 2009 Tacoma after being advised by an independent mechanic i use that the unusual noise I was hearing from the engine was most likely a main bearing was on its way "out".
However, considering the number of cars I've owned in my lifetime, that's a small percentage that suffered engine or transmission problems, as long as I exclude the mid-80's S-10 Blazer I had, which was a lemon in every sense of the word. It was the vehicle that, evidently, all the incompetents working on the line that day had a hand in constructing.
Got one of the good ones, didja? :P Was that the 3-speed or 4-speed automatic?
I had a 00 Chrysler Concorde that burned oil from day one, most likely from a bad valve guide/seal on cylinder 6 that Chrysler and the dealer refused to fix.
My apologies if I've asked this before, but which engine did your Concorde have? I had a 2000 Intrepid with the base 2.7, purchased new. Never had any real engine issues, right up to 150,000 miles when it got totaled. In its later years, it was using some oil, but not an excessive amount. I had the thermostat housing replaced around 51,000 miles because of a slow leak, and around the 86,000 mile mark, the oil pressure light started coming on, but it was a problem with a sensor overheating, and not a real oil issue. Around the 130,000 or so mile mark, it began stalling at random, so I had the camshaft and crankshaft position sensors replaced, and that fixed it. And finally, around 145,000 miles, another oil pressure issue, but this time it was the sending unit giving a bad read.
How many years/miles did you keep your Concorde?
But, for '56, the Lincoln was redone as well, and finally looked like a luxury car, IMO. Some of the styling was awkward though, like the area around the C-pillar on the sedan.
And, for '56, I think Caddy improved on its already good looks. Incidentally, the '56 Caddy used a 285 hp 365, while the Lincoln used a 285 hp 368. I'd guess that the Imperial was the slowest of the three. Smaller displacement engine, coupled with a 2-speed automatic, whereas the Caddy used a 4-speed, and Lincoln had a 3-speed, I think.
But still, a '56 Imperial is a nice car, and I agree, the styling is an improvement over the '55. I think Mopar styling in general improved in '56, versus '55.
The Concorde was the 3.2 liter LXI model. I sold in in 2007 with about 60k miles.
I really like the car in that it rode smoothly on the highway and had comfortable seats, but I knew the engine was headed south eventually.
That's why most people migrated away from the 'big 3' to Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, Subaru, Mazda, Kia.
They care about what happens to them and people closest to them than info in a magazine. They care about reality instead of 'Buy American' hype. The reality is the reality, at the end of the day, like it or not.
Regards,
OW
I agree that most people do. That says something, given the continuing loss of market share at GM. Doesn't that mean an awful lot of previous GM owners have abandoned the company? I guess what happened to them must have caused them to switch.
It's you guys that tell me I need to pay attention to mags like CR.
tlong, I changed the title back since you are so big on leaving out 4/5 of the story in your headline.
Obviously there's truth in the market share decline, but at least some of it has to be like this too:
For years there are four restaurants in town. Over a few years, there are six or seven more come into town. The young writers at the 'Food' department of the local paper rave about the new places. Is it logical to assume that people will shift from the same four that have been there for decades, over to the new guys? I think logic says it is inevitable.
But there I go, using that "logic" word here.
I have a hunch it is, although I haven't looked.
Personally, I'm not a fan of p****** in somebody's Wheaties, so I refuse to do that there.
Way to go, USA!
(Geez, that's an unpopular thing to say, shame on me.)
Maybe they're planning on trying to sell it at Caddy dealers also?
Of course they will. Those new restaurants are repeated portrayed as the perfect places to eat. Nothing ever fails. No bad servings. And those old restaurants: it's so easy to find something wrong with each of them over and over--the tables are too high, the seats are too low, they need a new salsa formula, the server didn't get my coffee refilled soon enough, the floors are worn in spots, they put down the wrong new type of floor, the chair seats are too short, and the ultimate "they don't have the same floor the new places have" so there must be something wrong with the old store.
Or there's the always present, the old place doesn't have the ambiance of the new place, whatever that ambiance is in the perfect restaurant.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Naaaah. They only get by with doing that thousands of times here.
In the other discussions, if someone reminds them about sludging (I mean gel) or runaway acceleration the regulars bluster up loudly and mock the new poster and say that it wasn't happening or it was customer's fault. And then they close the discussion if they can't get the "troll" banned.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Must explain why I drive an old 2.5l Outback with headgaskets that are going to fail "any minute now" and an old Nissan that's set a personal odometer reading.
For anyone who was driving in the 50s - 70s, any car off any lot these days is a vast improvement. Drive what you like (well, a MINI would give me pause).
BTW, ATS is North American Car of the Year:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-cadillac-ats-named-2013-nort- h-american-car-of-the-year-20130114,0,593210.story
Actually, Yes. So there. :P
We did comment in the Subaru threads that the score for the updated Legacy went down slightly, probably because CR likes a pillow soft ride and the new Legacy suspension was made firmer, sportier. 2 points is within the margin of error, and it's not like we focus on 4th place.
Accord is the highest rated so that deserves the attention, not Malibu. The previous Legacy outscored the previous Accord, FWIW.
Outback outscores them both (and gets all the sales for Subaru anyway).
To leave out information about where ALL the cars in the survey did, is very "circle"-like!
True, but there's more to this.
CR has a rock hill and tests both the Outback and Forester on that hill, seeing how well it climbs. So the AWD works out as an advantage.
Sedans like the Legacy are not tested on that rock hill, obviously. It still scores well, but AWD is not counted as an advantage in that class. It's actually a disadvantage because of the penalty in weight, cost, and fuel economy.
The Legacy still scores well, but AWD is the one way it stands out, and in the sedan class it doesn't get points like it would in other classes.
Don't believe me?
Explain why the AWD Sienna scores lower than a FWD Sienna. Same vehicle, but in the minivan class they also don't do an AWD test.
Same for many other models that offer FWD and AWD, the latter tends to score lower.
Forester XT got the single highest score in the crossover class, where AWD is weighted heavily.
We discussed the slight drop in the Outback's score much more. That's their important model.
Remind me later to check how the Equinox did on said rock hill (nice thing about CR is it treats crossovers not as the cars they're based on, but the SUVs they pretend to be...it's a nice reality check).
Toyota wrested top spot from GM in 2008 after about 7 decades of GM dominance in sales.
CR is a reliable source of information that along with comparison shopping and testing of various brands' models in a segment should help make wise buying decisions.
CR info very useful in looking at a particular brand/model reliability over time. CR's annual April car issue has a wealth of information. For example, the circles. Full red, half red, empty, half black, full black.
Looking back at precious April issues, there is a lot of black showing for Chevrolet, such as Aveo, Cobalt and Uplander. In contrast, there is a lot of red showing for Toyota, Lexus, Honda.
Love the Sting Ray inspiration. Front and profile are simply gorgeous. Kids will be buying posters galore. Tail is the least flattering angle but it doesn't look bad, either.
CF roof and blacked out wheels look menacing. Center exhaust. Even the engine condom is done right, shows the longitudinal layout.
I like the wilder two-tone interior and CF inlays, and those seats seem to address probably the #1 complaint on the old one.
7 speed manual, there is a God. :shades:
Better power to weight than a 911 or R8, remember when the Germans used to think the Corvette was the pig?
Love the long wheelbase and short overhangs.
37 pounds lighter. Sweet.
They hit this one out of the park!
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/01/13/2014-chevrolet-corvette-c7-stingray-everythin- g-there-is-to-know/
I thought this deserved its own thread title.
Big news. This is voted on by journalists so what this means is the ATS has received a very warm reception from the media.
Major kudos.
It's you guys that tell me I need to pay attention to mags like CR.
What is there to say? It's great that according to some reviews, there are cars less reliable, or that test worse, than the Malibu. I haven't seen anybody say the Malibu is a horrible car. I just don't see the Malibu being mid-pack as being anything to crow about. Why isn't GM trying to lead?
tlong, I changed the title back since you are so big on leaving out 4/5 of the story in your headline.
That wasn't my headline, it originally came from xrunner2.
Various articles by news sources claim that the Volt is estimated to cost GM anywhere from $70K to $90K to produce.
Maybe we taxpayers should not have to pay for part of the Volt and GM should price the car to break even. But, then, who would buy it?
I saw a pearly white one yesterday, with the side molding which I like. My dinner buddy, a Tacoma owner, again reiterated how much he liked the '13 Malibu rental he had so much more than the Altima, which he said he "hated" (mostly the trans' behavior).