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That, or probably a '57 Packard wagon with supercharger, three and overdrive, and roof rack. High 'funky' factor and nice ones have been bringing surprising $$ the past few years.
I guess I can't blame CR for this really, but if the name had changed, would a recommendation have been more forthcoming? I mean, there is nothing, and I mean nothing, in common from, say, an '07 Malibu and a '13 except the word "Malibu" on it. So to base a '13 on older ones is rather tenuous (I'm liking that word lately).
Now that I think about it, it isn't CR who's doing that, it's circleW!
From '57, I almost have what I'd really want from that year, my '57 DeSoto. I think I'd like it better if it was a Fireflite instead of a Firedome, and in one of those tasteful greens they had back then, rather than the stereotypical 50's car red and white that it is.
A convertible would be cool, but I don't know if I'd want the extra hassle and maintenance of that, versus the hardtop. And while an Adventurer would be the one most people would want, the color choices were really limited on those. I think for the most part, they were just gold or black. And, I've always wondered how finicky the standard 1-hp-per-cubic-inch 345 Hemi was? It was standard on the Adventurer. However, most other engines that put out similar power for their displacement tended to be optional engines, and intended mainly for the race track. For instance, if you bought a Chrysler 300C with the 390 hp 392, it came with warning documentation that stated it was intended mainly for racing, and not really suitable as a street car. Same for the 355 hp 354 of 1956. And, Chevy's 283 hp Fuelie was pretty much a race engine as well.
57 Chevy two door hard-top and convertible are very popular and those in excellent condition draw top dollar at car auctions seen on cable tv. See many, many more 57 Chevies vs 57 Fords on these auctions and think that sales in that year had Ford beating Chevy. Best looking 57 Chevies are in red or black color.
True, but people haven't forgot about it. When I had a Jetta TDI diesel I got quite a few comments from people on why I'd want a diesel car. Particularly from domestic car owners. This was 10 years ago, but they still seemed to remember the GM diesel fiasco.
I'm glad GM is offering the Cruze diesel, but I think more than anything it might be a tough sell due to diesel fuel costs and the fact you can buy a Cruze eco for several thousand less. For me personally, I'd like to have a diesel car like the Cruze, but I'd want a manual.
GM wanted and paid top executives more than what was supposed to be an agreed upon cap of $1 Million AND the U.S. Treasury approved the excessive pay. Three GM employees and four Ally (GMAC) employees recieved $5 Million or more. Four GM employees and 5 Ally employees received $3-4.9 Million. GM and Treasury both responsible for these excesses.
Banks who received TARP funds have almost paid back all of their loans. GM still owes we taxpayers about $21 Billion. How long will it take GM to repay
I don't know if I'd want red, but a 300C most definitely would be one of the first cars I'd consider if I were to buy that full-size sedan.
I am so very sick of '57 Chevys. It'd have to be a fuelie or Dusk Pearl Bel Air Sport Coupe or Nomad for me to even cross the street to look at one now. OTOH, I like '55's a lot, and also '56's, and could enjoy owning either although unless the price was irresistable, I don't see it happening.
Lemko, I think the '65 Impala is a stunning design as well. I don't think there's a single bad line inside or out. Over one million Impalas sold that year, a feat never replicated by anyone since.
Here's the '65 Impala commercial, father and son (love this one):
http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/vehicles/camaro/2012.detail.html/conte- nt/Pages/news/us/en/2011/Nov/1116_dadcar.html
BTW, here's the Camaro commercial where the old couple turns young as soon as they step into the Camaro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuLOCSMS-3k
I think a more fair and accurate way to say that is the Optima was recommended, while the Malibu's status is undetermined.
It's the same way with crash tests. If you do well, you earn "Top Safety Pick", but if you fail you do not make that list.
If you're not tested, it's simply undetermined. There's nothing to discuss, no data. N/A.
Not to antagonize, but I will try to answer the question honestly. We had this discussion in another thread.
Older Sonatas and Optimas had different wheelbases.
Each brand had unique cars, Kia Rondo had no Hyundai clone. Hyundai Tiburon and Genesis have no Kia clone. The Sedona van only had a Hyundai clone for one model year or so. Kia Sorento and Borrego weren't clones, either, and Veracruz wasn't even body on frame like those were.
They're far more similar now, but even now the lineups still differ today (Veloster, Azera, Equus, Genesis, and Soul are unique).
So differences are to be expected.
They should show Al Gore Junior driving his at over 100mph. Remember the speeding ticket he got?
Who knew a Prius could go that fast?
Fantastic story.
Would be cool to find my dad's '72 Buick Electra if it were still around, I'm sure he'd react the exact same way.
I know it's not, though. I remember he kept the rear bench seat, he simply couldn't part with the whole car.
They are getting more similar now.
Sonata and Optima are now clones for the most part.
Elantra is similar to the Forte, but even then, Forte will have a 2l engine, and the Elantra GT (previously Touring) isn't related to either of those, go figure. Call 'em cousins.
Accent and Rio are close clones.
Kia is getting bigger sedans based on Hyundais soon.
There may be a 50% overlap or so, but growing.
The second-gen Optima though, looked like it was differentiated better, like even harder-to-change things like the glass and roof pillars, and other "hard points" were different. I didn't care for the second-gen at first, but after a few years, I seem to recall it getting a handsome facelift that enlarged the grille a bit, and brought down the headlight size, to make it better proportioned.
I believe (though can't be quoted as I don't own a CR) that the Sonata's reliability and the Optima's are different now. That's really what I was asking.
Good differentiation.
Both seem to fall between Average and Better than Average. The cut off is at 20% fewer problems than average, so that could be a model going from 19% to 21%, i.e. could be very minor differences.
I prefer the Kia with the double moonroof and driver-focused cockpit.
I've probably told you this, but the people across the street from us when I was a kid had a light blue '68 Special Deluxe V8 with 3-speed stick. It was parked out in front of their house one day when it rolled down the street and into the front porch of the house two down from us, on our side! Even then I knew a stick shift Buick was an unusual thing.
IMO, that's the weak link in the chain. The engine in the Cruze comes from Opel, IIRC, so it should be a fairly decent power plant.
VW been doing it for a long time, on a expanded line of automobiles.
Of course, some will say servicing diesel powered trucks is no different.
I guess we'll find out...
Maybe 5-10 years ago they had a really cool commercial (was it for the Avalanche) where it was sort of a drill team of a bunch of these vehicles with the doors being opened and closed in unison, and various other reconfigurations going on in many vehicles in unison, which also showed the versatility. Does anybody remember that one?
Wonder if they'll train all techs, or have one per dealer who specializes in the TD?
...and the manufacturer GM behind it. The GM pattern, remember?
BTW, the reason the new Malibu is not recommended yet is that GM has not shown historically consistent reliability in their vehicles. So CR needs to wait and see the data. The new Accord, OTOH, is the new highest ranked family sedan and IS recommended right away, due to Honda's historical consistency of high reliability.
...and the manufacturer GM behind it. The GM pattern, remember?
BTW, the reason the new Malibu is not recommended yet is that GM has not shown historically consistent reliability in their vehicles. So CR needs to wait and see the data. The new Accord, OTOH, is the new highest ranked family sedan and IS recommended right away, due to Honda's historical consistency of high reliability.
And, that's the problem the folks that love to rely on "heritage" run into... One can't just bark about the good aspects and ignore the bad experiences, although some try to do exactly that.
Its true for every manufacturer.
The thing that got me most was that all the hubbub on here about many other cars, but when CR showed they didn't even test as well as the "lame" Malibu (as it's been called on here)--the silence was deafening.
CR said a lot of good things about the new Malibu - nice interior, good quiet ride, smooth engine. Their only real complaints were the tight back seat and the relatively high price. So it seems that the Malibu is close to being excellent, with a small redesign -- assuming the reliability is also decent.
I guess we'll find out...
I'd guess if they can service a Volt they could figure out a diesel Cruze. Plus the diesel trucks are high tech too. I don't see it being a problem.
Hopefully it won't be an issue.
I don't think it will be an issue at the larger dealerships, but I can foresee issues at the smaller ones.
As you stated, the Volt, and now the diesel car (and, there are differences between diesel powered trucks and cars) is a lot of "techno-know how" requirements for dealers to be supplying.
For either vehicle, before I bought one, I'd want a "nickel tour" of the service facility so I could get a "warm & fuzzy" feeling before signing on the dotted line.
I'm happy to see diesels finally making it to the US market. After spending a lot of time in diesel vehicles in my visits to Germany, I've really been impressed with their FE and power output. And, no stinking smell like the old diesels sold here in the past years.
About a mile from my house, there's a guy (a bit of a hermit-type, not very extroverted) who lives in a house that sits in a fairly sharp curve, on a narrow 2-lane paved road with a bit of a drop-off at the pavement edge. His house is on the outside arc of the curve, and several times a week someone used to run off the road's edge and lose a hubcap... Not so often now, because so many cars have cast or alloy wheels.
All the kids in the neighborhood call it the "hubcap house", because he used to hang the lost hubcaps on the side of his house, just in case anyone came looking for a lost hubcap. We used to joke that he had a hubcap for every make and model since WWII.
For some reason, that stopped hanging them out about 2 years ago. My wife thinks the guy got married and his new wife put a stop to it. Maybe so...
Over the years (the house is older than mine, and I've been here for 35 years) I'd bet he's collected 1000's of hubcaps. I have no idea what he's done with them all.
I can remember seeing it. Your description is pretty good. But can't remember it. I can't find it on youtube, either.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
It's not a place for the claustrophobic person...
http://www.youtube.com/embed/doN4t5NKW-k
I thought it might be a nice change of pace... Enjoy!
Do you remember the vehicle it was? Idid a fair amount of searching and I can't find it anywhere, either.
Another really excellent commercial is the Honda Civic one where all the sounds are made by people, not the car:
Honda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu-TnCo4yQ8
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Average drop is $450, but some models as much as $770.
I didn't even check online but I'm pretty sure first loan and the most recent one were both paid back. I really don't think they STOLE our/your money.
Our business had an old caravan (Late '80's?) 4 cyl. and that thing ran forever. I think it had about 250K on it when it was either totaled or junked (can't remember)
My brother had a "56 Ford. That was a handsome car and IMO better looking than the "56 Chevy, and I owned one of the latter.
At the risk of getting yelled at for this not being 'current GM product', here's the first commercial for the Camaro. It's funny by today's standards--so dramatic, but that's how I remember new-car introductions being back then. Matter of fact, I should check this, but I remember looking at Camaros on the evening they were introduced. I seem to remember them coming out a couple weeks before the other '67 Chevys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOt08dgcg