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I've looked at those on ebay motors with semi-somewhat-possible intentions to buy one.
Frankly, I'll look forward to the '14 Impala/'13 Traverse-like grille they're supposed to put on the revamped version. I like the rear, think the profile is OK (though not as nice as the '12 IMHO), and I do like that you can get them with side moldings, which for some reason cars in commercials and mag reviews never show. Except for the tighter rear seat, I like the interior and instrument panel...in fact, I like it better than the previous car for looks/feel.
Seems the Lower-Line Optima was Recomended but not the Impal or Malibu. Fact!
In the meantime, at least people with short back-seat riders should see some excellent buys before the CR hangers-on find out!
I don't buy CR, but thumb through it for free. What is your take on Hyundai's black dots and why do you think that Kia (apparently) is better when they are the same company? Honest question.
Same reason Buick has better reliability than GMC.
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But it bothers me wholeheartedly that Chrysler kept selling the Neon model well into the 21st Century. They sold them to unsuspecting customers in '96, '97, '98, '99, '00 and beyond.
Why they didn't cancel the factories and vehicle after one to two years of dismal results is beyond me.
I suppose it has something to do with the UAW getting paid whether they make garbage or not.
As the cars got older--way older--I remember seeing them around without the headlight rims, and the chrome 'banjo' like trim on the taillights would come off. I have no idea if this is actually for real or not, but I remember my uncle saying that the headlight rims were only held on by one screw.
I don't recall '56 Fords rusting out over the headlights like '56 Chevys do. That said, I'd be proud to have either in my garage.
To this day, in snowy, salty NE OH, I bet I see the second-generation Neons a few times a week. Most don't look bad, either. I haven't seen a first-gen in quite a while. I think that says that at least they (second-gen Neons) are cheap to keep up. I also still see a ton of '96-02 Cavalier coupes around, most looking OK too. But then, those were built not far from here, unlike the Neons.
If I steal 100 billion dollars from the US treasury, and return it 10 years later, is it not still theft?
Give me a break! :confuse:
I'd of charged Chrysler 100% interest rates and required collateral for loans. I'm sure the gov't was far nicer with there terms than the average person would have been, otherwise, they'd of received loans from the private market.
Listen, the '08 'Bu was the first significant family sedan GM produced in DECADES, afaic. Your '11 was a great car as well. But the facts remain before'08, the 'Bu was disastrous vs. the competition, much like all GM cars were until VERY RECENTLY. Then, to refresh it with what we see now is, well, SAME OLD GM.
Re-Do....perhaps someday, GM will get it right the first time. But that hope is tenuous, at best!
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EXACTLY! A FAMILY sedan that doesn't fit a family and then that good 'ole GM pricing system that begs for HUGE incentives...because the product does not meet the value proposition in the market, in the first place.
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Isn't GM the world leader in full size pickup trucks? Chevrolet, GMC?
My younger 'Bro completely rebuilt by his hand '64 Nova with a 327/400 HP. My Dad bought a '79 Chevy 1/2 ton P/U which my ' Bro still has (rebuilt engin/rust/and all).
But the Chevy I love the most was my Mom's '56 Chevy Biscayne.
At the end of the day, that was then. This is NOW. GM lost it! :P
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OK, your right. Let's try Chevy and GMC. Use that one to compare against HyunKia.
Apples/Apples. :P
There is one overriding reason why the West Point, Ga. assembled Optima is Kia’s best seller: value for the dollar. And don’t forget the long 10-year, 100,000-mile limited powertrain warranty and 5-year, 50,000-mile basic coverage. Not to mention a “recommended” rating from Consumer Reports.
"Hello, Chevy? Anyone at home??"
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There were some very real masterpieces made back then.
I enjoy watching old TV episodes such as the original Perry Mason series, because that show seemed to highlight so many convertibles of the era. In that pretend world, everyone drove convertibles.
The Corvette truly embodies that lost art at GM. It used to be almost every car.
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Shouldn't the world's largest (until recently) auto maker be able to put out a full line of competitive vehicles? Otherwise just dump the cars and be the truck company.
That '56 Chevy is a lovely car and a favorite Chevy of mine in a favorite color scheme of mine, but there was no such thing as a '56 Chevy Biscayne.
I might add, I still believe that there is no sane reason whatsoever why a Chevy version of a GMC product should have any reliability difference whatsoever from the GMC.
I'd have to dig to find the link/reference, but a friend sends me online "Automotive News" clips every so often and in the last month he sent one that said that Detroit has 92% of the truck market share. It suddenly became so much more apparent to me why they focus so much on trucks.
That's one area where Detroit dominates and where the vast majority of the profits come from.
No question I'd buy a domestic pickup, but with cars it wouldn't be likely.
I'll concur. I see dozens every week. Heck my neighbor has 3 of them for his kids and himself.
There is definitely a difference between Chevy and GMC besides appearance. What is it? Quality, reliability, closer tolerances, better components? Why would GM have spent many millions on commercials over the years telling us that GMC is "Professional Grade".
So indeed the rate was absurd.
US basically exploited the help from Fiat.
Sounds like the classic payday loan situation to me.
IIRC, the Biscayne came out in 1958..,
Do buyers equip GMC with more options and electronics perhaps, or do they sell a much greater proportion of heavy duty trucks at GMC than Chevy? Otherwise, it may well be an aberration. Probably sampling error like too few GMC responses, or possibly GMC owners less/more inclined to report problems because they're embarrassed that they paid more than the Chevy?
Newspaper said that Civic model has been offered by Honda for 40 years.
Chevrolet has gone through and discarded many small/compact car models in the last 40 or so years. Vega, Chevette, Cavalier, Cobalt. Can GM or Chevrolet ever unseat Honda Civic as the standard, the benchmark. The Saturn experiment did not work. Perhaps Cruze will eventually succeed.
Corvette, Camaro, Impala, Malibu, and Suburban were in use in 1975. What Toyota and Honda names are being used now that were used then? Corolla, and Civic. Cavalier was used for 24 model years.
Toyota has dumped Solara, Echo, Tercel, MR2, Corona, Cressida, and more I'm missing for sure.
Of course it does. Have you ever had an introduction to management class? It's called 'puffing'.
Overall, the car's likes/dislikes were almost identical, but the writer preferred the ZL1's manual transmission and brakes, but disliked the limited field of view provided by the ZL1 and some of the interior ergonomics. Overall, the writer said the ZL1 was a "great value for the money".
I'm still amazed how many Corollas sell, mainly due to how outdated it is in comparison to competitive models.
Of course, they have really targeted their market and advertise it using terms like "reliable, affordable, economical".
Any model that sells over 200K a year is doing well in today's competitive market.
...and that must mean that the Acadia is a professional grade family SUV. :P
Toyota has dumped Solara, Echo, Tercel, MR2, Corona, Cressida, and more I'm missing for sure.
With the exception of Corvette (mainly due to its highly-targeted market), I wonder if long-running names really mean much in today's market.
From what I've seen, buyers don't really seem to put much stock in a long running name these days, although in years passed it certainly was a great selling point.
The car market seems rife with so many makes and models now.
Would Toyota sell as many units of the Carolla if they changed the name?
Toyota has dumped Solara, Echo, Tercel, MR2, Corona, Cressida, and more I'm missing for sure.
Camaro, Impala, and Malibu were in use in 1975, then dropped, and eventually the names were re-used on new models. That's completely different from being in continuous use since 1975 like Civic, Corvette, and Suburban.
The Corvette and Suburban are successful models for GM. The names have positive equity and therefore were retained, like Civic, Accord, Corolla, and Camry, among many others.
Chevrolet has dumped the Vega, Chevelle, Chevette, Beretta, Corsica, Citation, Cavalier, Metro, Prizm, S-10, (S-10) Blazer, Cobalt, and Caprice. That's without touching the rest of GM.
Establishing a new name is basically establishing a new brand. It's expensive, first from the various researching involved to avoid trademark or copyright issues, and then the marketing campaigns that have to be built around building the name up.
Cheaper to keep using the same name, provided it hasn't generated too much negative equity by being on a bad car. Then you have to spend marketing money trying to shed the negative reputation. Which is not cheap, and as Uplanderguy can attest, not that easy to get doubters to swallow either. :shades:
The Cavalier one is kind of sad. Kept it around for 24 years, then killed it - because they had eroded 100% of any brand equity it contained.
You could say they were just too *cavalier* about it.... :P
Even Toyota dropped Corona, then Cressida, which essentially became Avalon, and Tercel and Echo which were just basic bottom-line econo cars, not something like a sports model which just went away a la Supra.
And I'm not sure what caused them to add Scion, which doesn't seem to be anybody's idea of a great marketing concept.
Never believe the commercials. I found out first hand.
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