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Honda Odyssey Tires/Wheels
This is a great van,however,BEWARE, the run flat tires on the touring package, are michelin pax.I have 27,000 miles on then and they are worn out.both honda and michelin say that's all you can expect from those tires,and will do nothing about it.they are warr. for 30,000 miles...the tires are $180.00,then a gel pack $15.00 and $40.00 labor.. special equip and special trained personel,who may not be there, as in my case.I went 2 miles on a flat to a dealer,a nail, however the sidewall was split by the time i got there,no repair had to get a new tire.so much for the 55mph and 100 miles.not all michelin dealers are equip. to handle these tires,so you may wait a few days for a replacement,honda does not put in a spare..a $1000.00 every two years for a set tires..I have had these tires rotated,and I'm 63 and don't do turns on two wheels.
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It's the car not the tires. Every year consumer reports slams Honda for road noise in every one of their cars. The Odyssey is no exception. Honda wants their buyers to feel connected with the road...I call it being cheap. You never hear people complaining about road noise in their Toyotas, Nissans, & even Hyundais.
Let me know how your sprayproofing project works out. I don't think it is going to stick to the plastic wheel well liners. I remember using that stuff on my old cars that were made of steel.
Personally I would never run a lower pressure than recommended just for a smoother ride. Low pressure coupled with heat and weight is what caused the Firestone debacle with the Explorer.
http://www.sfmslaw.com and look at their current cases. You'll find a link to American Honda Motor Company and Michelin North America, Inc. I'm so glad that something is being done about these tires. I didn't want them to begin with, but the touring model didn't offer a choice.
THE FOLLOWING SHOULD BE DONE WITH THE VEHICLE ON JACK STANDS
Remove the lug nuts and hit the back side of the tire with a rubber mallet to break the bond.
THE FOLLOWING SHOULD BE TRIED AT YOUR OWN RISK
If the above doesn't work, slightly loosen but do not remove the lug nuts from the wheel studs. Drive up and down your driveway a couple of time and brake hard to break the bond.
Before replacing the tire, apply some anti-sieze compound (about $5 at the auto parts store) to the back of the wheel and the face of the hub so this won't happen again.
Thanks!
MY QUESTION, IF I USE AFTERMARKET PRESSURE SENSORS, WILL THE CARS COMPUTER SELF CALIBRATE TO THE NEW SENSORS AND WORK WITHOUT THE RUN FLAT TIRES??
HELP
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE..
DAN
As for the TPMS, you can either purchase sensors to mount to your new rims - tirerack.com has them - or IIRC just ignore the warning light when the snows are on.
Good luck.
Now I'm trying to find a spare tire that fits into the well in back on the left side of my 06 touring van. Dealer price is about $200 for tire and rim. Anybody know of an alturnitive fix for less? Tried a donut from a 2000-2001 Chevy S-10, same bolt pattern but needed wheel plate to get it away from caliper and it wouldn't fit into my spare space. For now I'm packing around one of my PAX tires, but its big and heavy. Any suggestions before I call Honda parts desk?
If the 08 OEM wheel package won't fit, does anyone have any suggestions on OEM replacements, as I would like to keep the TPMS system? Will the 2004+ Acura TL (five-star) wheels w/TPMS fit on the 2005 Odyssey? Thanks for any advice can give!
Diyhonda.com had a podcast that mentioned a depax kit. Don't know when it will come out. I believe 04 and up TL wheels wont work due to the bolt pattern. Depax kit will come with the TPMS sensor, Spare wheel, Spare wheel hardware, and maybe 20 new lugnuts for the 05-06 models. Hope this helps.
The MDX wheels that I mention are the base and tech package wheels. However, the sport Package ones look awesome but you will probably need new TPMS sensors. The 07 and up MDX TPMS sensors don't work with the Odyssey. Honda centercaps are needed but your dealer should be able to get them for you.
Clearance seems to be OK with the 255/55R18 tire. We normally drive around with a full car (family of four plus junk). Haven't noticed any real problems at all, even with the Chicago potholes. Measured against the pax tire & wheel, the 255/55R18 is about 1/2" larger in radius and about the same in width.
Used Gorilla anvil acorn lugnuts 13/16 drive; bought them on amazon for $3.15 for 4, w/shipping $27.54. Shipped in three days!
Now, however, the Honda dealer (Muller) in Highland Park, IL says they are not able to calibrate the TPMS. Any suggestions? The rims are 2007's off of an MDX. Will it be necessary to purchase 2005 TPMS sensors to get the system to work, or do I ignore the annoying yellow idiot light and just use a guage like I always did before.
The tires are Yokohama Avid TRZ and I purchased them from a local Discount Tire Center June 07. So they are just barely over a year old. I had tire pressures checked consistently in August, October, November, and this past June, plus had rotations in November 07 and June 08. I do put a lot of miles on my van -- had 48399 when I got the new tires, and now have 74613. So it was about 11,000 miles between rotations.
Do I have a leg to stand on in complaining to Discount Tire about the performance of these tires or am I just out of luck? The tread on the tires is great so they have a lot of life left, but the tire noise is almost unbearable, and has been getting worse and worse.
Honda recommends Michelin Energy LX-4 tires for replacements at $195+tax per tire. I can get those same tires at Discount for $134/tire or NTB for $143/tire. But it chaps me to be replacing my new tires just one year after I bought them!
Thoughts, advice.... ? :confuse:
thanks,
Mike
Cabbgking: If you want traditional tires, you will have to buy wheels, too. The wheels are a special metric size that only fit Michelin PAX tires.
Would you mind share with me the size and type of Beyern wheels you ordered? Which year is your car?
I am in Southern CA. Called around, and no one seems to know how to replace the PAX...
Anyway I need your help and advice as to what (quiet at least 50K wear) all season tires to try next.
Thanks!
Hopefully this link will work:
Discount Tire
I am little confused, which tire size do I need to place on the 18" wheels to keep the dashboard indicators true? Is it 235/55R18, 245/55R18, or 255/55R18???????
Will the center caps from the PAX wheels work in the MDX wheels???
Thank You in Advance!!
The ride is just FANTASTIC. WE drove up and back (four people w/stuff) to Lake Geneva, WI yesterday. You would have thought the Odyssey was floating along the ground. Even with the potholes and large cracks in the road, the ride was so vastly different from those LEAD SHOES. There is a Honda Dealer in Ohio that sells a DEPAX kit, a little pricey, but it might work for you.
Lots of viewer questions but this one has lots of valuable info on the depax kit. HD is only recommended if you have a powerful computer with a decent amount of ram. They have a lower quality version for those with not as good computers and if you want it to take less space.
We bought a 2005 Odyssey Touring model brand new in June 2005. Within the first week, we had problems with the car pulling to the right and a shimmy in the steering between 60-65 mph. The dealer rebalanced the front wheels and did an alignment. The shimmy was better but not completely gone. The pulling was still there. We took it back several more times for these problems and they rotated the tires from front to rear. The shimmy was almost completely gone and the pulling was less noticeable but still there. Around the 20K miles mark, the shimmy got worse and it still pulled so we took it back. They said that the tires were in need of replacement and that 2 new tires would be $800 installed. I told them that we rotated the tires every 5000 miles and that they should be covered by the warranty. It was wasted breath on my part. They said it was not covered. I looked at the tires and they were only worn on the outer edges. We decided to keep them and just deal with the shimmy and the pulling and try to get some more mileage from them. I then looked on the internet and found that many others were having similar issues and that there is a class action suit against Honda and Michelin for these Pax systems. I also found that many people have replaced the pax wheels with regular wheels and tires. I prepared to do this too.
In the spring, I started shopping for wheels. I was told that many of the Honda and Acura wheels can be used as a replacement. I didn't want to use the Odyssey EX wheels as everyone has them and they are only 16" wheels and they were bringing alot of money on eBay when they showed up as the demand for them was high. Someone had posted on another forum that the 2005-2007 Acura RL wheels worked for them so I started looking for a set. In May, I located a set on ebay in good shape for $300 including shipping. They sat in my garage until today.
I called my local tire shop last Friday and I asked the owner what he knew about the problem. He told me that he has dome several Pax replacements with other wheels and tires. He said he can reuse my TPMS sensors. I asked him if he had the machine to unmount the Pax tires and he said no. He told me that they just cut a flap into the sidewall of the old pax tire near the tire valve and remove the sensor through the hole they created. I asked him to order me a set of tires and he told me to bring the car in Today.
So with 41,300 miles on the Pax tires and an upcoming road trip planned, I went to my local tire shop and purchased a set of Michelin tires from them. Here is what they did to do the install.
They pulled the pax wheels off the car and let the air out of the tires. Then they cut a section out of the sidewall using a utility knife. They removed the sensors and installed them onto my Acura RL wheels. Then they mounted the new tires as with any normal wheel and balanced them and installed them back onto my Van. The Honda center caps from my Pax wheels fit the acura wheels and the stock lugnuts were reused too.
The tires installed were $750 including tax and labor. They only charged me $7 per sensor to remove and reinstall them.
I have ordered a spare tire for it and the proper mounting hardware too.
So here is a breakdown of the costs.
$300 - 2005 Acura RL Wheels from eBay
$750 - New Michelin tires mounted and balanced
$200 - New spare tire and mounting hardware
Here are the specifications:
2005 -2007 Acura RL wheels measure 17" x 8"
Michelins - 235-60-17
The tire for the spare is a T135/80D -17 Goodyear Convenience Spare that I ordered from the Tire Rack for $125 including shipping.
The wheel for the spare and the hardware are Honda Items. Honda calls the wheel a disk in their parts catalog. But you will need the following from them.
42700-SHJ-A51 DISK, WHEEL (17X4T) 1 $39.58
83853-SHJ-A00 BOLT, ANCHOR 1 $2.71
74666-SHJ-A00 ADPTR, ANCHOR BOLT 1 $4.09
So for less then $1250 I have a nice looking set of wheels and new Michelin tires and no more Pax. Next time I need tires, It will only cost me about $700 not the $1600 my local Honda dealer wanted for the new Pax tires.
I drove the van home and it feels like a new car. It is smooth with no shimmys. It does still pull a little but not as bad and I think an alignment will cure this too. I am very happy with this solution and glad to be rid of the Pax!
If you want a package solution to your pax problem, check out the guys at College Hills Honda. They are selling complete Pax solutions and even have an online video of the process. Watch the video and you will completely understand how to dePax your car.
http://www.diyhonda.com/2008/07/podcast-episode-131-honda-odyssey-depax.html
http://automobiles.honda.com/ridgeline/exterior-photos.aspx