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Decontenting? Yeah, remove the "extras" and STILL raise the price. That works much better for Honda than it does for their customers.
Also noticed that a study was just released that shows that Ford and Honda customers are the most loyal. The surprising aspect was that Ford customers are loyal because the Ford vehicles are fun to drive whereas Honda's customers were most loyal because the car held its resale value. If Honda doesn't address its quality issues, the later may not continue to be the case.
Adding another speed to the transmission may not do much for gas mileage and it may increase gear "hunting" as the transmission shifts back and forth trying to eliminate "lugging".
Then some people wojld complain about that too.
One person out of 100 (if that) will care about LCD tailights so I agree, that was a good place to cut costs.
Best of luck.
I'm sorry that you are now experiencing additional problems related to the torque converter replacement.
Hopefully what you have encountered is NOT a portent of things to come for the rest of us.
I will never again own a Honda V6 unless they drop the VCM, nor can I recommend anyone buy one. It has been annoying, showed no significant improvement in gas mileage, the engine was a slug compared to Toyota and Nissan V6s ( never drove a Hyundai). Fortuntely I have the wherewithal to do what I did and moved up to Acura with its normal V6. Yes it uses premium gas, but I drive 7,000 miles a year - what to I care? Will be good to have a normal V6 again. Cadihonda and it V6-4-3 can take a flying leap as far as I am concerned
I drive low mileage too, and have an 08 Accord EV-L V6 Navi that was bought new. It has suffered from a bit of a shimmy in the steering wheel, and a lot of the jerkiness as vcm goes in and out on the highway since day one. Just ignoring it - as it's been proven by others in this forum and elsewhere that unless it is so severe as to be undrivable, they will call it normal
Need to get the package shelf rattle fixed - probably that tsd on the trunk spring rods rattling.
Wish you well on your Acura. You don't say what year it is to only have 7k on it. Most of my cars that I traded with that low a mileage were REAL lemons (rain water leaks, issue after issue that dealers couldn't fix, some horrible design flaw that is only noticed after driving it awhile).
Checking forums looks to be something I will start doing before buying new cars in the future, not just looking at ratings, reviews, and taking test drives. Sometimes they give one an idea where to look.
Sounds good, with a long warranty. Not to mention the insurance is likely much lower for a 08 versus new one, and the savings on depreciation. Sometimes I think I should have looked at the TSX instead of the Accord, but it is a smaller car.
It's been quite awhile since I have kept any car longer than three years, regardless of mileage or issues. My last - 06 Subaru - got traded on the 08 Honda shortly after the 'tumbler motors' in the turbo fours air intake needed replaced to fix an error code.
As I said before, hope all goes well with the Acura.
I will sell it.
Thank goodness the engine problem abated long enough for us to trade it in on our first Honda Odyssey--a 2005. Yet another first year of a new generation (like your 2008 Accord) that was chock-full of problems and recalls. Sure, Honda eventually fixed everything, but what a pain to take it to the dealer every week or two.
Good luck everyone. We've starting shopping for a new car to replace the Accord.
After several efforts to address it by stopping the car and restarting it, all of them merely temporary "fixes", we limped back home at 2500 RPM in 3 rd gear( I think) at what speed I did not know, the dash ablaze in warning lights.
After much analysis and diagnosis they have replaced the input shaft and output shaft sensors. HUH? Don't sensors cause the warning lights to go off when something is wrong? Isn't this kind of like replacing the dead canary in the coal mine? The gas is still there - just may take some time for the warning to go off (die) again. Am I going to be driving this car another 100 miles and have the same thing happen again? Cannot get a straight answer from anyone. Opened a case with Honda last week - have heard nothing from anyone.
Re the Honda's transmission? Dealer says it is now functioning normally. BS - hunting is normal? Failing to downshift as you brake and go around a corner normal? Failing to upshift from 2nd gear to 3rd until about 3000 RPMs normal??? BS BS BS Now I just have to find someone to buy it
I have had 2 Accords, and a CRZ since Honda started using this and I've changed the oil on all of them around the 5,000 mark. No problems.
OTOH, our 2010 has right about 10K miles on it now, and (keeping my fingers crossed & knocking on wood) we haven't experienced any problems with the VCM. Ours still runs great & we still like it.
Several of those owners experiencing problems have been very vocal on this forum, with many, many posts. But, I have searched the web several times and have only found a small total number of complaints. There's another Accord forum called "Drive Accord" with zero VCM complaints and tons of posters.
I really feel sorry for the folks with VCM problems, especially when Honda seems determined to not do anything for them. That is truly poor customer service, and those folks will never buy another Honda and I don't blame them a bit. Honda's response to VCM problems is atrocious. Shame on Honda.
There is absolutely no discernable trend toward some sort of "Epidemic of VCM Problems." There's simply not enough evidence to support that or anything close to it. V6 VCMs continue to be sold in three product lines and for the most part must be OK, or there would be many more complaints. That isn't to say everyone is pleased about VCM, but only a relative few have been publicly vocal about it. Unless there's an uprising of VCM owners, I would expect the public number of VCM complaints to remain low.
Having owned a '08 Ody with VCM and having no problems, we bought our '10 Accord with VCM and have had no problems with it either. Would I buy another Honda with VCM? Absolutely not. First, I don't want to become unhappy (it could happen) and second, there are now many options out there that are much nicer/better than the Accord at the same or better price. When we decide to eventually dump our Accord, we will surely look elsewhere before returning to the Honda dealer. Honda needs to develop some better answers to improving gas mileage.
I'm just trying to make the right decision. I don't want to put any money into the car once its bought. $30,000 is enough and I expect it to be reliable. I can understand feeling the car shift from the 6 cyl to the lower ones, but is it really that big a deal? As long as its reliable and does'nt break down I'm ok with buying it.
Any advice or opinion is appreciated.
I already read through the first 30 pages of this post and I'm just undecided and very confused on what I should do.
Want to feel like your in a richer ride? Take a VW CC out for a spin. My son just bought the turbo 4 cyl Sport model. Great looks inside and out. It's a great ride for around $29,000 and 0% financing right now. The downside is that it is a VW and while I've known some that have had exceptional luck with them, the overall quality numbers would certainly favor Honda. One other thing about the VW CC is while it has the germanic driving feel it is actually manufactured in China. VW has had a presence in China longer than most mfg's. I'm certainly going to be keeping a keen eye on his car as it ages.
I'm still undecided but I'm probally gonna go with the 4 cyl. I'm sensitive when it comes to a car so if i did feel it shifting alot I would probally get very irrateted and angry. I'm only interested in the Honda accord, but thanks for the advice. This thing is already driving me crazy trying to decide which version I want. :confuse: :confuse: :confuse: :confuse:
decisons, decisions....
Thanks for the response. I talked to the salesman at my local Honda but i don't trust them most them time. I worked for 2 car dealerships before in the service and parts department and know all the con games they play.
I'm just gona have to test drive both versions and just make a decision already.
I drove a 2009 4-cylinder Accord EX for several days (dealer loaner while our new Ridgeline was having it's camper shell painted) and I can honestly say that while the 4-cyl is totally adequate for around-town driving, it sure doesn't have the punch of the V6 when accellerating. Other than that, it should be OK.
Do some more research--in a recent Consumers Report test of six sedans, the Accord came in dead last. Even the Kia Optima handily kicked the Accord's butt, with better handling, a six-speed auto tranny and a bunch cheaper too. Honda is making major mistakes in the way they are running their business, and while that was only my opinion for awhile, it is now being proven by comparison tests. Sad, sad, sad....
So, I traded my otherwise sweet ride for another pretty sweet ride. A 2010 EX-L decked out with Navi, fog lights and every other thing I had on the 2008. Well, almost. There are some things like power passenger seats that aren't available in the 4 CYL. FWIW, I really miss the power but I'm getting 29-31 mpg and that was not really possible with the 6 cyl. But don't be fooled into thinking that you've got no power either. The 190 hp engine is adequate if not good in most situations--you just have to know your limits.
I will say this again. When the time comes for me to buy another car I'll look at Honda first. If I can't get the power I want without the VCM at Honda, I'll be checking out other makes--starting with Hyundai. Bring on the 6-speed AT Honda!
Reliability and longevity are my main concerns, followed by the comfort.
I'm definetely gonna go check out a few more dealerships and test drive more, but I'm really starting to lean towards getting the 4cyl Ex-l.
Love the power of the v6 but all that constant shifting in the VCM makes me wonder how long the engine would last. I'm guessing the 4cyl would have a longer lifespan. I don't really need the extra power, its just me, my wife and my son, and the safety in the Hondas are very good. But for the hilly terrain i guess it would be nice to have that extra uumph.