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Resale value shouldn't be the primary reason for purchasing a vehicle, but it probably shouldn't be ignored either. Its just another factor to be placed into the buying decision. All other things being equal (price, features, quality, reliability), I'd always take the vehicle with a higher retention of value (resale) over the vehicle that plummets in value after 4 years.
Just good common sense in spending your hard earned income wisely.
Sequoia 38.3"
Tahoe/Yukon/Esc 41.1"
QX56 39.7"
Navigator 39.5
Delay appears to be related to the Red Rock interior. I don't know if that means they received more orders than projected or they're having difficulties with the manufacturing process. Curious if anyone else with an order for a Red Rock interior is seeing a delay? I'm glad I placed the order back in Dec.
Toyota financing is better but a similar toyota vehicle is about 7% more expensive than the tahoe. I'd like remote start which is only a dealer option with Toyota.
What do others think the trade offs are between the two?
Thanks again.
I posted these headroom #s before. Its also interesting to note that they reduced the headroom from the 07 Sequoia by 2". Not sure what the thinking could have been or the engineering issue they couldn't resolve. I know its not because they think Americans are getting shorter.
Front headroom
2007 Sequoia 40.4"
2008 Sequoia 38.3"
Tahoe/Yukon/Esc 41.1"
QX56 39.7"
Navigator 39.5"
Toyota financing is better but a similar toyota vehicle is about 7% more expensive than the tahoe. I'd like remote start which is only a dealer option with Toyota."
I think you've captured the major differences. The Sequoia is larger inside than the Tahoe but smaller than the Suburban. You might also want to check out the 2nd row in the Tahoe as well since they don't fold flat while the 2nd row in the Sequoia does fold flat.
Sequoia has a higher tow rating. Tahoe has a higher Payload rating.
You can see all of the specs and pricing side-by-side for a 4wd SR5 08 Sequoia against a 4wd LT Tahoe at this link http://www.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/edmunds/VehicleComparison?basestyleid=100891763&- styleid=100962663&maxvehicles=5&refid=&op=3&tab=specs
It seems to have vast expanses of metal without any real design...in contrast, the armada has nice angles...does color choice affect the look? I was looking at the slate grey which I didn't really like...
"mulch" or fertilizer (bags) and having 1 rip open-all over that nice 3 row.
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I stand corrected on the "luxury comment", but the above quote is from your post 931.
My point is just this....why do several Toyota cars/SUVs costing thousands less than the Sequoia (some half the cost of the Platinum) have keyless "go" while the Sequoia does not? You can't say "b/c Toyota owners don't want them" b/c that makes no sense. Guess only the Toyota owners buying a 25K Camry/Prius want it, not a Toyota owner buying a 60K Sequoia.... I could understand it if the Camry/Prius were brand new designs while the Sequoia was not. But that is not the case. Toyota obviously made a concious decision to not put this (and several other nice or "luxury" features) on the Sequoia. Yet Toyota chose to put a MSRP on the Platinum Sequoia that clearly puts it up among the luxury SUVs. I suppose that Toyota feels that the Sequoia will sell based upon the powertrain, flexible interior, and the perceived reputation of Toyota quality.
Comments like this (your post 962):
Here's the Armada..uh I mean the QX similar to Sequoia but still lacking.
are just childish. I don't see the vast majority of folks here making comments like, "my base Tundra dash....er Sequoia Platinum dash is beautiful". Are there critiques of all vehicles being made on these boards? Absolutely! I just don't see the need for juvenile and immature comments to get made here and then expect to have much respect for your opinions. Those are the comments that would irk the heck out of my wife and I when shopping for a new vehicle and just further the public perception of the greasy plaid sportcoat-wearing salesperson who will say anything to close a deal.
Let's also be honest....Toyota is not bulletproof anymore. We all know that Consumer Reports did not wholly endorse all of the Toyota/Lexus products this year. My parents bought a new '07 Camry and while mechanically they have not had any problems, there are some definite fit/finish issues that one would not usually find in a Toyota. Add to that, the Sequoia is a first year model and I would not lean one way or the other with the QX v Sequoia on reliability.
Also, I read on another board that there will be a new QX, likely in 2010/11. It will be built in Japan and will be based upon the Nissan Patrol, instead of the Titan.
I paid $8500 below MSRP that included Toyota's rebate. Somebody else on this board mentioned getting $10k below MSRP. I also did not need the larger tow capacity of the 08 so that might have helped make my decision."
I would guess a loaded 2007 would have an MSRP of $52,000 so I can predict you paid $43,500. That is exactly what I paid for my 2008 SR5 4x4 with the 5.7 engine, 6-speed transmission, independent rear suspension, Nav, leather in all rows and steering wheel, power heated seats, hitch, sunroof, JBL, Bluetooth, heated mirrors, headlight washers, power folding 3rd row, etc., etc. Every option except ultrasonic parking and Homelink/auto dimming -- both of which I added later for about $400 total.
Mack :shades:
You too have a good weekend!
I just looked at the Consumer Reports website. They no longer recommend the Toyota Tundra and we all know that the Sequoia is based on the Tundra. Now, I'm not trying to start anything, but if we're going to look at "objective" sources like CR, then they don't recommend either the QX or the Tundra (on which the Sequoia is based).
I also don't see any reliability data from Forbes. It does have some pretty nice review information though. I would not have thought to look there for such in-depth information on cars!
The other problem was with the 07 Camry v6 model. There was a transmission/software problem which has also been corrected. Due to these two issues CR decided not to automatically mark all Toyota vehicles under the "Recommend" check as they did before.
The new Sequoia is on a modified Tundra platform and I don't expect any reliability issues with it.
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There was one Sequoia.
Now there are 14 Sequoias and 6 QX's. Wouldn't say the Sequoia's are flying off the lot. I would definitely hold out for rebates. They're definitely coming.
I have the same concern about lack of headroom. Did you consider ordering a Sequoia without a sunroof this will increase the headroom by 2-3 inches. I have ordered a Limited without the sunroof.
Who really needs a sunroof on an SUV anyway? If might be cool for the first day or so but after that it's a useless option that only increases the cost of the vehicle
Also, has anyone noticed that you can not get the the Sequoia unless it includes the Cold Kit, even if you don't want or need one. Toyota Regional Office seems to require that every Sequoia come with the Cold Kit. This option also inceases the cost of the vehicle.
a) Dealers are not bringing down prices much. I am in New england and I talked to several dealers. They are negotiating but not by much. The bigger dealers want full price.
b) The dealers have versions that buyers do not want. I am looking for a black sequoia platinum with grey or beige interior. The dealer has special ordered the vehicle, could take 4-6 weeks.
Infiniti dealers are willing to give much better deals because the car has been around for a while
Mercedes sold 9000 blue tec diesels. They had to recall 7500 because of serious engine problems. The failure rate is 5 out of every six vehicles sold. Toyotas are not perfect but they are darn good!
No matter, it does show that the first year or two of a brand new vehicle can be troublesome. According to CR (not sure if it is "valid" or not ) the QX was rough the first two years but improved significantly in '06. They did not have any info on the '07 models listed on their website, but one could assume that the upward trend would continue.
It will be interesting what happens to the new reliability rankings since the new CR Auto issue does come out soon (March, I believe)
CR has the '07 Tundra knocked down in 4 reliability categories:
1. Drive system
2. Body Hardware
3. Power Equipment
4. Audio System
I'm no mechanic, but I'm quite certain that the camshaft does not impact all 4 areas.
You do seem to be correct on the V6 Camry since that is the only '07 Camry model not recommended. Both the 4 cylinder and Hybrid score well with the exception that all 3 have poor scores in the "squeeks and rattles" category. Any insight into that? Like I said before in a prior post, that is the only thing that I would mark as a negative on my parent's '07 Camry. The fit/finish is not quite what I would expect from a Camry. Otherwise, it is a nice, well thought out, nice driving/riding car.
The cold kit is a good idea for any climate. It is a higher amp battery -- who does not want that? It has headlight washers -- good anywhere. About the only thing that is not useful in warm areas are the heated mirrors.
I don't care about sunroofs but mine came with one.
Mack