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I had already replaced the reservoir to silence the pump, but that has NOTHING to do with hard steering as long as the pump is silent. I did not replace the pump or the steering rack.
See below on the link for how I fixed my Odyssey.
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f17a7b3/85
Any suggestion?
I have a 1997 Camry close to 200K runs like the day i purchased it 13 years ago. My next car will be a TOYOTA.
Corporate will not do anything to help the consumer....after reading all the issues that Odyssey have once they hit 50K miles,I will BUY TOYOTA and trade this POS in and get the new SIENNA it's a much better looking van the 2011 and a better all around car.
Toyota has also had their share of problems. There were quite a few Camry's that had engine sludge problems due to undersized oil ports about 5-10 years back. The entire engines seized. Also, when I was comparing the Odyssey to the Sienna about 3 years ago TOYOTA had some major problems with bad welds on the front door hinges. The spot welds would come loose and the doors would bend completely forwards towards the front of the van on a downward slope or if it was windy. Usually the driver door went first since it was used the most. The only solution was a new door because the welds that broke were internal to the door. Toyota would not issue a recall because they didn't want to pay on the number of recalls. Each door replacement was $1,000/door and there was no way to reinforce the welds since other panels were welded on after the hinges (there was no access to the welds anymore).I test drove a '05 Sienna and I saw the welds starting to fail myself (spot welds) at low mileage and knew Toyota was not owning up to it. We now see what has happened since as Toyota got in big trouble this year over recalls they did not issue but should have.
Needless to say, every car manufacturer has problems. There is no guarantee that the 2011 Sienna will be better or worse than the 2011 Odyssey. True, some models can be more problematic than others, but in the end it can just be the luck of the draw. My mother has a 1998 Camry with 130,000 miles on it and never had any major problems. My old neighbor had one and the engine locked up one day with the same mileage due to sludge. Toyota replaced it and owned up since it was a known issue, so that was good. Honda recalls some things, others they don't. I hope you have better luck when you get the Sienna. Please post and let us all know how it goes.
My Odyssey is a dream to drive again since I fixed the struts. I've driven 6,000 miles in the last three months and some days were 11 hrs on the road straight. I hope it keeps up since I'm now at 45,000 miles.
Applies To: 2005–10 Odyssey – ALL
Google for TSB 10-076 and read about this fix in the Ody forum.
I had this problem on the 2008 Ody. Hard to turn at low speed but pump didn't make any noise.
I showed the TSB to the Service Adviser at the Honda dealer.
They replaced the PS Pump with w/o any question since van still under warranty.
Note: this PS pump is a newer version only available since November 2010.
I spoke with my local service manager on December 9 during oil change, complaining about low speed/parking lot power steering failure, he said he did not know anything about that, and recommended that I change power steering fluid to start with.
I suspect he probably already knew it is a pump failure that requires replacement with upgraded pump, 2 weeks after the issue date, but for whatever reason he choose not to discuss that with me.
The car is 2006 Odyssey EXL/entertaiment and it has 68k miles. I bought it this summer from my neighbor who has relocated oversea. They knew this steering failure problem but did not take action.
I spoke with American Honda this morning and the word is - it is up to the service manager to make any call.
I am not able to sqeeze out extra $2k without a job right now, so I want try my best to get something called 'good-will' repair.
Any suggestion is welcome
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Service Bulletin
0„8 2010 American Honda Motor Co., Inc. ¨C All Rights Reserved
November 25, 2010
10-076
Applies To: 2005¨C10 Odyssey ¨C ALL
Steering Wheel Is Hard to Turn Quickly at Low Speeds
SYMPTOM
The steering wheel is hard to turn quickly when driving
at low speeds, such as when driving in parking lots.
PROBABLE CAUSE
The power steering pump is not providing enough
assist.
CORRECTIVE ACTION
Replace the power steering pump.
PARTS INFORMATION
Power Steering Pump Sub Assembly:
P/N 56110-RGL-A03
Power Steering Pump Outlet Hose O-ring:
P/N 91345-RDA-A01
WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION
The normal warranty applies.
Operation Number: 512100
Flat Rate Time: 0.6 hour
Failed Part: P/N 56110-RGL-A02
Months later, I read in this forum about another person who had the very same issue. They suggested a call be placed at the Honda America 800 number. I called Honda America and asked if there had been any problems with the power steering or if there had been a recall on it. The girl at Honda said she could not find anything, so I said I want to have a record of this conversation in case I needed to reference it in the future. I was entered into the database.
December 22, 2010 we again took the van into the dealership to have them look at the power steering, for it has lost power steering a few times after the initial visit at 20,000 miles. The dealer must have looked in the Honda database and found my name and complaint, for this time the power steering pump was replaced under warranty, no questions asked. There is a brake recall and a transmission recall that was done under warranty as well.
Since the forum revolves around steering issues, has anyone noticed that the odyssey steering is wobbly around turns? It's hard to explain, but the steering wheel tends jerk back out of turns instead of a smooth return to straight. Any assistance would be appreciated.
I've already had 2 dealers look at it and of course the usual answers resound, "it is a normal characteristic of the vehicle."
Frustrating!
At 68,000 miles, they finally replaced the left strut...not both, just the left. I don't see the logic in having one new strut and one with that many miles on it. They also replaced the power steering pump. The dealer had to get the blessing of Honda-Techline God to just do this. Issue still exists after both of the above replacements and our extended warranty expires next week (11/15/11).
After giving a "3 out of 5" in a customer service call from American Honda for "any issues not resolved", I received a call from Honda of Spring (formerly Goodson Honda North (Houston) where I bought the Ody and have had it serviced at since the purchase. They obviously did not like receiving a "3" on the review.
Anyway, my guess is that the issue is a combination of the remaining strut (the right side was not replaced) and the steering rack. These are the only two remaining items in the overall system that have not been replaced. My old service advisor (not with Honda anymore due to frustration with Honda-Techline), said it will take an act of Congress to get Honda to do anything until it breaks completely.
I have owned 4 Hondas and have loved all of them...except this Ody. It has been the most frustrating thing we have ever dealt with. Want to continue to recommend Honda to my family and friends, but can't honestly do it after this experience with an obvious lemon vehicle and no support from American Hondas.
There is no smoothness when steering wheel is returning to straight on position either coming out of a turn or if simply moving sterrign wheel left-right-left. It has a shaky, shuddering feel to it. Not at all Honda-like.
We had an 02 Ody and never experienced this. And this 2010 has been great until this. Very frustrating.
Dealer has been receptive and replaced PS pump which gave no improvement. I rode with shop foreman and of course the steering didn't act up then. Not sure what to do. Might call Honda America and see what they say.
My guess is not enough owners have spoken up about this.
In January 2012, I returned again and asked them to check the whining noise. They came back a day later and said I had a leak in the rack and pinion rack and the cost to repair is $1400.00. I blew my top. After going back and forth with local management and Honda Corp. customer service, the dealer is going to repair the vehicle and wants me to pay a "$200.00" deductible.
This noise did not exist before I took my Odyssey in for the recall. I feel like I should not have to pay any money to repair this problem because this was not a problem previously. It became a problem when the local dealer handled the recall.
What am I to do?
The question is
If it's more of a pull than a wobble then you've got an entirely different problem.
May I ask what did you do please? Just found out today that my situation is very similar - i.e. power steering pump being replaced, and then they tell me, oh yeah by the way you have a leak in the rack and pinion and that'll be $1450 to replace!
- mz -
I get an analysis for repairs of $2500 and leaks galore!! I am not sure if it is the same issue that people are bringing up but would love help.
They are saying that it needs a $1430 Rack Pinion repair for a leak, right axle seal leak repair, left rear shock leak, and resurface and brake pads even though at 60%.
I mean for a top-notch vehicle, isn't this nuts to have at only 76k miles???
I have never had a car that needed this much repair under 100k! Also I am getting conflicting info on machining the rotars versus replacing them. This just seems crazy. Anyone else having these issues and is there anything else I need to look into??
The repair guy said that the Odyessy is known for pinoin rack and this just seems nuts! Any advise is welcome please!
Honda Irving replaced it since its still under 30K warranty, now I'm experiencing a signs of hard to steer during slow parking. Im afraid this will end up losing the power assist again.
A mechanic said that the power steering pump needed replacing.
I researched this online, and it appears that the Hondy Odyssey van from 2005 onwards has this issue. However, it is unclear of the pump needs replacing or if it is the O ring that needs replacing - (it costs 50 cents online today!) see the post on Edmunds below.*
We are covered by an extended warranty, but I want to know other owners experiences, as it seems that just replacing the power steering pump does not solve the problem.
*"DO NOT TRUST THE HONDA STEALERSHIPS. They told me my high pressure line and power steering pump were leaking causing the whining noise when cold. They wanted $550 plus to install a new line and pump when the real problem was the inlet O ring which has been superseded by an orange viton type to stop the air leak which cause the whine and foaming in the reservoir. Honda should recall all V-6's with this problem but will not as it involves 100's of thousand Odysseys from 2005 to 2010. Research online to do the O ring repair before letting the Dealer Rip You Off. It is very difficult to get to the one single 10mm bolt to replace this defective O ring on the inlet line of the pump but a small swivel socket and 10mm stubby wrench works good. New Honda O ring part number is 91345-RDA-A01 and is a whopping $1.62. You also will need to top off your powers steering fluid with ONLY Honda/Acura Type." source: http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f233644
and here is the O ring source
http://www.hondapartsnow.com/Page_Product/PartDetail.aspx?catalogID=69&productID- =11&yearID=41&doorID=3&gradeID=5&areaID=2&transmissionID=7&originID=-1&colorLabe- lIDs=-1&colorLabelID=-1§ionID=&idAndImageID=13332%201248482
1. Had one of the Michelin tires replaced that was pulling.
2. Had Honda replace both front strut assemblies (51601-shj-a19/51602-shj-a19) to replace the troublesome top bearings and top and bottom cap assemblies. Almost same cost as individual parts.
3. Had Honda replace power steering pump AFTER struts to allow less pressure on the pump.
4. Had Honda do a complete wheel alignment.
Drives much better now. I paid for struts and alignment.
The strut assemblies (51601-shj-a19/51602-shj-a19) are complete assemblies with springs and all hardware including bearings and caps. Not just struts. The key to the fix is replacing the bad bearings that keep the steering wheel from easily returning to center. It was a lot easier to get the entire assembly replaced without going through the details of issues with the factory cap placement and such.
I also had to have the idler pulley, pump pulley, and belt replaced after they started making noise shortly after the power pump replacement.
Anybody have any ideas in regards what can be the problem.
"HONDA HAS EXTENDED THE WARRANTY FOR THE POWER STEERING PUMPS TO 7 YEARS OR 100,000 MILES SO BRING IT IN AND WE WILL REPLACE IT"
Thus, do not go spend money to get this fixed without talking to the dealer. When I saw above that people have spent money to solve this problem, I was surprised that I had not seen a post like the one I am making.
Good luck to those with a whining power steering pump.