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2009 Subaru Forester



  • PanosPanos Posts: 14
    Nice! I'll mention this to my dealer when i take it in for service. Thanks!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Well, the 4 cylinder boxer engine has 2 heads and 4 cams, which is twice as many as an in-line 4. AWD means you have a rear diff to maintain as well, but that's not just Subarus.

    And yes Porsches cost plenty to maintain, though I'm not sure if the boxer engine is the primary reason.

    But overall I agree with the suggestion to get a Chase Subaru credit card and get all your maintenance for free. BMW offers 4 free years, but whoop-de-doo, we've already accumulated $400 since we got our 2009. It caps out at $500/year, so in those 4 years I'll have $2000 worth of free service, more than I spent in 9 years maintaining my 1998 Forester.

    I do the easy stuff, like oil changes, but this is my wife's car so I'll probably let the dealer do the 30k, 60k, and 90k services. Even at full retail prices that would be completely free of charge for us.

    Funny thing is I own a Toyota as well (Sienna), so the question is, how am I going to pay for maintenance on that van, since they do not offer such a program? ;)

    PS Your son must have the Baja. The never sold well but owner's love them - it won the JD Power APEAL study among pickups.
  • debatingdebating Posts: 14
    Yeah, it is the Baja. Never can remember that name. He travels a lot, haven't asked how many miles it has now - but it must be considerable.
    That Chase Subaru card sounds like a worthwhile deal, and I'm gun shy about credit card companies now. I've had a Citi card for quite a few years, good credit. And the first thing they did after the bailout was to jack the interest up about 6 1/2%. An appreciative bunch of thieves aren't they? Off the subject.
    When do the new models come out? I would doubt there would be any discounts on the Forester though, as every time I drive thru the lot, they have fewer on hand. Three to be exact on Sunday. None our preferred color.
  • morin2morin2 Posts: 399
    Like all rebate cards, the Chase Subaru card makes the most sense if you pay the balance in full each month - otherwise you're only fooling yourself about its value. You earn 3% on purchases, but if you're paying interest, then its self-defeating.

    If there are any changes to the 2010 Forester, they will be minor. If you're on the fence about 09 vs 10 models, I think you should wait for the 2010. The 09's have been around for nearly 1 1/2 years already. There were very few 08 Foresters - as the old style (same as 07s) were discounted to make room for the 09's in January of 08 - a full 1/2 year before normal model year introduction. With no incentives to buy a 09, I would wait for the 2010 when they arrive in July or August.

    The Outbacks are a different story. The 09's are being discounted with $2000 rebates combined with 2.9% financing (not as good as my wife got on her 07 Forester which was rebate + 1.9%). This is being done to make room for the all-new 2010 Outbacks. Generally, Subaru offers the best deals on the last of a generation before a new design is introduced. New ones should be at dealers by July.
  • occkingoccking Posts: 346
    Since 2005, during which time I have owned a 05 Outback, 06 Tribeca, 08 Nissan Altima Hybrid, and early March 09 Forester, I have "maxed out" three Subaru cards every year, entitling me to $1500 each year.

    I am not exaggerating here, I really have earned $6000 through end of 2008, and already $300 in bucks this year. In fact I applied for, and got a 4th Subaru card a few months ago as every year I maxed out all three.

    Now, I am not the weathiest person around, and I do pay my credit card bills always within the the grace period. I am proud to say I have never paid one ounce worth of finance charges on any credit cards my entire life (64 right now)

    I do a fair amount of travel for work, and many of my expenses are reimbursed. Think about it, at 3% you need to spend almost $17,000 per year to get back $500 in Subaru bucks.

    We have a few gasonine credit cards, like a Shell that always pay 5%. Had a Hess card that until recently also paid 5% but since they changed it to 3% I have closed that account. Have a Mobil Exxon card that they had a special on a few months ago, gives 15 cents a gallon with no time or amount limit. As long as gas remains below $3.00 per gallon, that is my best deal. Also have a Sears Master Card that gives 5% on supermarkets, drug stores and gas stations & can earn up to $300 per year rewards for those cards. Must difficut part is wifey remembering which card to use!

    Here in Massachusetts you can pay car insurance via credit card. Same for homeowners. Oil deliveries, propane, doctors, etc. My wife now on Medicare and any who knows when you are in the "bubble" expenses for drugs can easily come up to $5000 - $6000 a year. That's $200 in Subaru Bucks.

    The list goes on and one... When I got my Forester in March I had accumulated $1200 in bucks which I used at the time, already have $300 in bucks and next month should max out that card, then switch to another one.
  • morin2morin2 Posts: 399
    Wow - that's an impressive amount of subaru bucks. I had no idea that you could get more than one - but I barely reach the $500 limit annually, so one is fine for me. In addition to regular everyday purchases, we pay for cable,electric, and cell phones monthly service with the card. I'm 10 years younger than you - but like you, have never paid a cent of credit card interest. In fact, on large purchases, I offer to pay cash if there's a cash discount - otherwise its the subaru card. I don't know if I can pay my auto insurance by credit card, but I'll ask - with 2 teenage drivers, its substantial, even with liability only for them. I just sent in the homeowner's by check - darn it.

    We also use the ExxonMobil card strictly for gas, and the BP which, paying 5%, is better when gas gets over $3 (it also pays 2% for travel and restaurants). I find myself using BP gas more than Exxon because our BP has slightly lower ethanol content than our Exxon (I occasionally test the ethanol content).

    There's enough to worry about at the checkout line just making sure everything rings up correctly - so its understandable that your wife might not remember which card to use. My wife made a chart that she printed out & we put it in our wallets, so we can refer to it wherever we are to use the right card.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You're the Subaru Bucks champ for sure.

    We used $1400 worth for our Forester and have $400 already for service, though I'm sure the next $100 will come soon.

    For us it takes about 6 months to max out on the Chase Subaru card, and like you my wife puts her business expenses on there, and gets reimbursed.

    When we hit that limit we use our Shell card, which only gets 1%.

    I guess we're not maximizing our rebates for the whole year, but we don't want to have any more lines of credit open because we're in the process of re-financing the mortgage.
  • occkingoccking Posts: 346
    Sears had (we are "grandfathered" so not sure if still offer) a card that pays 5% for all supermarkets, drug stores and gas stations, limit up to $300 cash rewards.

    Shell did, at least until recently have cards that paid 5% for all gas purchases. Had a Hess as well but discontinued it because they dropped to 3%.

    I just hope the Subaru cards continue with all that is happening in the credit card industry a lot of these programs will probably be discontinued. Discover also has a card that pays 5%, but only on certain items that change every three months. Sometimes clothing, sometimes motels, sometimes restaurants, etc., but I have enough going on already that becomes too complicated.

    I open and close credit card accounts all the time. Go to a Penny's or Macy's or Kohls & they beg you to open a new account and get 10%, maybe 15% off entire purchase for that day. I use it once, then cancel it.

    I know for younger people, or those without the good credit I have that would cause a problem opening and shutting accounts like I do, as that would surely have a negative effect on their credit score, but at this stage of my life I am not worrying about being turned down for credit. Interesting, I just went on line last week to get "free credit reports" Of course once you sign up, if you do not cancel within a week or so they will automatically bill you every month for their services.
    I checked my credit scores & cancelled immediately. By the way, pretty proud of what I have, Trans Union 768, Experian 780, and Equifax 806. I really don't know why there is such a difference between all three, as they all show essentially the same info.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I agree about not wanting to keep track of what purchases to make and when, just keep it simple.

    To clarify - the Shell card gives 5% back on Shell gas purchases, not any gas purchases, AFAIK.

    Our credit score was quite good so the re-fi should go through without a hitch, hopefully.

    Yes Subaru PLEASE keep the deal alive with Chase, it's a sweet benefit for owners! :shades:
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 11,223
    Wow, great info! Thanks for chiming in, king!

    All those credit cards certainly sound too complicated to me. We use only our Subaru card, though we typically max out the rewards after five to six months. I *wish* it took us a whole year to do it, but I usually put all my expenses on there, and those can be substantial during the building season.

    I did not know you could have more than one Subaru card, but I may look into that in order to maximize my benefit. Once I hit the cap on the rewards, using the card provides no benefit other than the convenience of consolidating my month's expense under one account. A second card will come in real handy after we finish paying for our house in a few more years, since we will probably be tripling our building expenses for a year or two after that to finish construction.

    I'm almost embarrassed to say that I have no idea what my credit score is; I suspect it is decent enough. I do that free credit check once a year to verify the activity on my reports, but it does not provide a score.

    occking, do you simply submit another application for a Chase Subaru card?
    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • occkingoccking Posts: 346
    Yes, It's easy, just go on line & apply. I assume if you have good credit it will be approved promptly. Even when I got the 4th card a few months ago, I was approved immediately. Just have to keep track of the rewards as it will cut you off without notice once you hit $500. On the anniversary date it will automatically start again. At your Subaru dealer you can probably get a brochure about getting a card, I believe you can get $25 jump start in Subaru bucks when getting a new card as well.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,798
    For those plagued with rough shifts from their 4S AT'S, my service tech recommended the following procedure to reset the transmission so it can try (again) to learn proper shifting:

    This was advice provided to me, and I take no responsibility for any drivability issues that may result from it. You might want to verify this info with your own service adviser before attempting it.

    1. Remove (-) (black) cable from the vehicle 12v battery.
    2. Turn ignition key to ON.
    3. Depress and hold brake for 2 seconds. Repeat this several times.
    4. Reconnect the (-) battery cable to the 12v battery.

    What happens?
    All the computer memories in the vehicle will be erased. IE, all stored radio stations are deleted, altered factory presets are reset to defaults, all engine and transmission "adaptive knowledge" deleted, etc.

    The vehicle basically starts from "zero", and as you drive it, it will relearn your behaviors and adapt the transmission and engine responsiveness parameters appropriately.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You basically reset the ECU, including the engine and tranny computers.

    The brake trick is just a way to speed it up, so any residual power dies down and it truly resets. We used to tell people to wait 20 minutes.

    A couple of caveats:

    * you'll lose your radio's memory, so preset stations are gone
    * have the remote handy, you may need to lock/unlock if the alarm goes off
    * first tank will have poor mileage, it starts rich and leans the fuel mixture gradually

    I would also capture any error codes if you have them first, else they are lost.
  • imm19imm19 Posts: 12
    Hi everyone,
    Do you think this one will fit on 2009 Limited - model=31
    It is listed for 2009 XT. Also, do you have any other suggestions from your own experience?
    Thank you all :)
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,798 why Subaru factory engineers appear to be unable to find this "extra efficiency" in their engines.

    If equal length exhaust headers improve performance, would it really cost Subaru _that_ much to outfit its engines with them from the beginning?

    Wrt the strut brace, Perrin's been around for some time, and appears to be a favorite of some of the rally teams in the Portland OR area. That's sort of a left handed way of saying the product will probably do what it claims.
    However, I suspect you would have to be driving the Forester XT really hard (like on a rally circuit or race track) to notice any real difference.
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,306
    It should bolt on if it fits the XT. They just probably aren't expecting much of a market for those things in a 2.5 na Forester. It's interesting though that the compatibility tab doesn't list any Forester. I'd be sure to get a correction in writing before buying.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My '98 Forester had one from an Impreza, so my guess is it will fit. If anything it's the turbo that has far less room in the engine bay. The brace has to make it's way around the intercooler.

    Basically you're bracing up the front suspension. The Forester is very rigid already, as crash tests on the front, side, and even roof have proven, but more rigidity can't hurt.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Actually you'd be surprised at how much a set of equal-length headers can cost. Most OE exhaust are just cheap castings, and probably save the automakers a couple of hundred per vehicle.

    Remember we're talking about an H4, so that means 2 seperate 2-into-1 headers, one for each side.

    Compare this cast one (not from a Forester, this is likely one side of a V8):


    To this mandrel-bent equal length usually nicely coated header (gorgeous one from an in-line 6, or V12?):

  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,798
    Good point on the headers.

    But my Forester is warranted for 6 years and 100,000 miles, so there won't be any mods to its engine anytime soon.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm sure your engine is capable of making FAR more power, surely the WRX folks have figured out exactly how to unleash it, as well.

    OE is always a compromise, especially when they're trying to keep the price reasonable.
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