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2009 Honda Accord
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Unfortunately for Accord lovers, the European Accord is the TSX in the US. It would be a TSX diesel.
The TSX diesel is due for '09, right?
I had the chance to drive the European accord 2.2L I-cdi, in France last month during a trip. The engine is quiet and responsive, my cusin claim the gas mileage is 5L per 100km, that translate to 50 MPG on hwy. Againg if we add the new catalitic converter to this engine to meet the US EPA requirement those numbers may fall into the 44 MPG. This has happend to the new 2009 VW jetta the expectation were 50 MPG, after they did not pass one of the EPA mission
test they had to adjust the ECU software, and this adjustment did lower the MPG predicted before the vehicule is made for sale. I will expect the next batch of 2009 Jetta to be more fuel efficient than the one that is on the way to the dealer, right now. All 2009 Jetta diesels are sold in advance, I would expect the 2009 accord diesel to be more successful than Jetta in selling all 2009 Accord diesels.
My Accord won't go anywhere for a long time I hope. I know that in my future profession, money is hard to come by for the first few years, so I'm hoping that during those years I have no car payment because I'm still driving my '06 Accord. With only 36k and change on it right now, and with (my 2nd) college graudation three years away, I'm hoping that my car won't be close to the end of its life when I enter the workforce; maybe a 6 year-old 80k mile Accord that still gets me 37 MPG highway quite regularly!
oh, and you CAN'T lock the key in the car if you use the remote only. The car will sense that the key is still in the car and keep you from making a stupid mistake. It's also really cool to toss the key in the trunk and close the trunk... only for it to immediately pop back open. It makes for a great party trick. :P
Walk up to the car, open the door, get in, push the button to start. Saves you reaching into your pocket to find your key, push the unlock button, the putting the key in the ignition switch and turning the key.
Some people love it, some take it or leave it, some couldn't be bothered, some think it's more that can go wrong, some wouldn't spend a dime for it.
As you said, "some people love it, some take it or leave it, some couldn't be bothered, some think it's more that can go wrong, some wouldn't spend a dime for it." The entire gamut of opinions.
Personally, I think it's technology for the sake of technology, and prefer that the 2009 Accord did NOT offer keyless start. It's unnecessary. Just my 2 cents after having it for 3 years now.
There are similar debates about the benefits of i-drive, COMAND, and other "intelligent" systems.
I prefer to drive my cars, rather than "interface" with them.
One downside (big downside) is when you have to replace or recharge the battery in the keyless start fob. In the BMW, you have to plug the FOB into a slot in the dash for a recharge. If power is totally exhausted, you have to then reprogram the fob and the car's settings so the car recognizes it.
What's the point? You have to pull the fob out of your pocket. Plug it in. Then hit the button. Worse....if the battery has to be replaced, you need to reprogram everything, again. And, you still have to dig out the "emergency" key from the FOB, anyway.
I would imagine other systems are similar.
Give me a simple key to twist and I'd be happier.
Gimme a key to stick into the ignition and a little twist to start. I don't have to worry about whether I've got enough juice in my FOB.
Funny...when I bought my BMW, I thought the push button start was kind of cool, like others. A few months later, when my FOB had no power, I couldn't unlock the car. There was a little emergency key in the FOB I used to unlock the car. But, after plugging the FOB into the little slot to recharge, I found I had to reprogram the FOB (through a series of crazy routines to get the car to recognize I had the correct FOB). What should have taken two seconds with a normal key, took 15 minutes to get the car to start and drive away (including digging through the manual to read up on the "dead FOB battery" routine).
I relayed the story to my service tech at BMW. He chuckled and said..."well, the best way to keep that from happening again is to plug the FOB into the recharge slot everytime you drive it".
OK....so now, instead of just fishing out a key out of my pocket and twisting it, now I fish out my FOB, plug it into the "slot". Then, push the start button.
Again, what's the point?
And to the person that said you have to hold down the button for a while to get it to start, I've never experienced that. It's true that if your door is open and the car hasn't recognized the key yet that it takes a couple seconds to initiate the starter, but I've never had to hold down the button. I do keep my foot on the brake until it starts though.
Here's the easy way to keep Nissan's ikey from running out of juice... at first sign of a weakened signal, go to wal-mart and get a new battery for $3 (or less). Problem solved. No headache. The system is nearly foolproof if you're smart about it. As for BMW's Ikey system, that's stupid on their part for engineering a rechargeable key. It's far less expensive and more efficient to put a disposable battery in the unit.
BTW, I still amaze my colleagues with the push-button starter on my Altima. The technology definitely has its flaws, but nothing is perfect. I've bent traditional turn-keys before and its kept me from starting my car. I suppose you could smash an ikey... everything has its limits.
Unfortunately, I think this is the main attraction of these gadgets. Impressing impressionable people (showing off). My uncle used to be so quick to impress us with his talking car (Nissan Maxima). "The door is ajar".... "The lights are on"....."You are low on fuel". After a few years, he just wanted it to SHUT UP! It was amusing when he said "I know I need gas! I can see the gas gauge! Shut up!"
My late Father saw the pushbutton start in my BMW. He made an observation I hadn't thought about. He observed, "the first car I owned had a pushbutton start. Guess they're going backwards". Smart man! He'd been driving for 60 years.
I've been driving for 30 years myself. Never....Never have I ever broken or bent a key in an ignition. Matter of fact, I've still got the key to my very first car. It's still intact. The car is long gone, and hopefully crushed and recycled by now as it would have been 40 years old, if still around.
We'll see how this technology progresses, but since it's been used for years in the Infiniti line and has now trickled down to Nissan, I would say that the technology is reliable enough that people have very few complaints about it. As someone else said, it's used in Acura's line as well. It just hasn't come to Honda yet.
As for a bent key, my wife has a Toyota Solara, and the key that came with her car got bent slightly. I don't know how, but it did. The starter began locking up after a while, and eventually, it stopped working completely. Using another copy of the key fixed the problem... A bent key will ruin your day.
Personally, there are just too many negatives for me to ever buy another car with push button start.
Security is another reason. Whenever I have to valet park, or turn my "FOB" over to the detail shop, etc. I have to clear out everything of value in my trunk (like my briefcase with laptop, camera, anything of value. They don't have a "valet key"....just the FOB.
There's a warning light on the dashboard if the battery is low.
Actually, this is the best feature of this Nissan smart key. You just took out the actual key which is inside the FOB and you can just give them the FOB.
You can use the actual key to lock your compartment. There's also a switch that you can turn off so the trunk cannot be opened with the key. This actual key is connected to your key ring so it's an easy process.
I think it's even safer than the non-smart key that you need to have the valet parking key in your car in case you need to use it OR you need to have an additional key on your key ring.
IMO, the smart key is a good technology than other extra options like power seat, automatic climate control...etc.
Another option that I like is the automatic anti-glare rearview mirror. I think it should be standard for all cars.
Don't get me wrong though. The Accord is a great car as well, but if you want a car that's safe, reliable, and has a ton of cool stuff STANDARD on the car, you buy an Altima.
Just for reference, I like the way the '08 Accord and '08 Camry SE looks better than the '08 Altima... I still bought the Altima.
It would be nice if they did add the mirror signals.
I agree. That move was the most confusing design change for the 08. Well, along with taking the touchscreen out of the navi unit. :confuse:
I've become a big fan of LED tail lights.
The mirror signals are something you see on higher class vehicles. That includes Acura and Infiniti. By adding that to the Accord, that's one less reason to buy an Acura TL. That's how I see it at least.
It's a safety issue that will trickle down.
There has to be something to dangle in front of us to make us buy the next new car.
ABS and traction control were recent trickle downs.
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They're starting to look like Chevy's. Puke. :P
Though they're saying that the reliability matches that of Toyota. I'd say that is a very big nod to Toyota. What a selling point eh?
Anyway what happened to the topic of this portion of the thread, push-button start? :shades:
Just kidding. It's fun peeking around.
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I've been peaking around some of the other forums and have noticed that some people think the Accord are piles, but then again these are the same people that aren't performing any maintenance and getting confused when the car breaks down.
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I have my eye on the new Accord, TSX, or the new TL for my next lease...that will be tough. The TSX, with paddleshifters would be alot of fun! Looks futuristic as well.
But, I could get a Black EX-L Accord V6, with tinted windows... very sharp!
Should we create a Taurus v. Accord forum?
Your right, the Accord hype of its new debut as huge, but sort of a let down, when they took a more casual approach to its design. Now, if they used the design concept they used on the Accord Coupe, which, I think would have not hurt anything, or lose anyone, but simply keeping in line with new styling. But, I feel they have always taken the more casual, conservative approach. Now, the coupe is a true winner!
I was all set to get the coupe this week when I decided to check the TL prices for August. I found a dealer in SoCal that will sell a TL for 28,200 or 3,500 under invoice. Its worth a $120 plane ticket and a tank of gas to go to LA from Phoenix to get a new car. I will save $60 a month on a lease payment over buying the TL locally. My lease payment will be the $8 more then a Accord Sedan V6 EXL or $40 less then a V6 Coupe.
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I have to agree if we're talking exclusively about the sedan. I think the new Accord sedan looks somehow disproportionate and alien. Bulging headlights, huge grill, small taillights and the list goes on. To me it almost seems like they went back to gen vi and tried to beef it up, rather than going with a whole new design. I know it's sort of a stretch to see it that way, but I do.
Now the coupe on the other hand looks like a car that I would drive. However, I will have to say that I prefer the taillights of the sedan over the coupe. Give me a coupe with the taillights of the sedan and I would be happy. The taillights on the coupe remind me too much of the Kia Spectra, blech.
Anyway. I would only buy a new Taurus. My mom got burned twice with Taurus/Sables. Both were 94 models and both blew their head-gaskets. The first one blew the head-gasket two months before they were recalled, but my mom couldn't afford to fix it and couldn't wait that long. Bad luck I guess.
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I also don't need a V6. I have a 4 cylinder Accord, gen vii and it is more than adequate for me.