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2010 Toyota Camry

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  • colloquorcolloquor Member Posts: 482
    I've always been a DIY'er, and the change to cartridge oil filters from spin-on filters is, of course, primarily driven by environmental concerns. But, it's essentially "Back to the Past" as most cars prior to the early '60s used a cartridge filter.

    The reason I've always changed oil myself is to ensure it's done right. All dealers use entry-level staff for oil and lube work, sometimes these are high school kids working in a co-op work/study plan. Line mechanics do not change oil at dealerships.

    Here's the problem I've observed in the past: 1). the sump is quite often overfilled, and 2). the drain plug is over or under torqued. The latter is especially critical when a car has a cast aluminum oil sump. Over torquing the drain plug can crack the sump. Each car has a specified torque spec for the oil drain plug - how many lube specialists at dealers actually use a torque wrench for the oil drain plug. I'll betcha practically zero percent. And, over filling the sump is really harmful, as it leads to oil foaming, with a resultant reduction of lubrication especially in the critical areas of crankshaft main bearings, rod bearings, etc.

    This is why I continue to deal with the hassle of DIY oil/filter changes.
  • samnoesamnoe Member Posts: 731
    CR complains this month that the interior dooe pull/grab handle of the Camry is bothering consumers since the 2006 design. I have never seen someone complaining about it (maybe i missed out somewhere), I personal thing it's a good design. Do anyone here think it needs to be changed?
  • cc62966cc62966 Member Posts: 30
    It doesn't bother me, but it does look weak and a little cheap. Are they talking about the door lock itself - 'cos that I have a hard time knowing if its locked or not. Camry has a perfectly utilitarian interior with no frills. If anybody wants a perfectly designed door handle, they should perhaps look at a Euro sports car and pay 4X as much! I mean do these people not have any legitimate things to report that they actually have to find ergonomic problems with a silly door handle?
  • cc62966cc62966 Member Posts: 30
    Ok, my first week's fill-up gave me 28.4MPG on mixed day-to-day driving. This includes driving 20MPH inside a campus dodging weary, suicidal students desperate to make speed bumps of themselves! In contrast, that is how much my Avalon gave me on the highway!
  • ricschricsch Member Posts: 540
    Anyone care to recommend where the Toyota Extended Service Plans can be purchased other than the selling dealer? Any places on line with decent pricing?

    Just picked up a '10 Camry LE 4cyl. w/ auto. and considering (possibly) a Platinum or Gold service agreeement.
  • pixshooterpixshooter Member Posts: 51
    ABC is doing a special report on the Camry during Tuesday night news. I think it will be about the mats and some ''other'' issues. Somebody please comment afterwords or leave a link about what this is about. I will be headed for the Smokies and will probably miss it. Would like to know if it is something important. Not sure if I will get signal for my laptop in the mountains. I think they said it will also be on the early news also. Since Toyota is telling us to pull our floor mat until they decide what they are going to do are they going to give free carpet shampoo for unprotected carpet? This is ridiculous. I'm will probably be in some mucky areas and would prefer to have some protection for the carpet. I offered to pay extra and swap out for all weather mats the day I bought the car but they said no.
  • kiawahkiawah Member Posts: 3,666
    Just buy a set of Weather Tec's, I put them in all my vehicles.

    You pull the original mat's, and put these down in their place. They clip right on to the driver side 'clips', which prevents them from floating around. They work great, have had them in our Camry for 3.5 years now. Even in the clay area we're in, they are great!
  • pixshooterpixshooter Member Posts: 51
    My mistake was letting them talk me into getting the mats that they knew had an issue. They should of offered an option since they knew that this recall was coming.
    I had to get the mats because the car already had them and they claimed the mats could not be removed. I was stuck w/the mats and an upgraded radio or wait another month for a car without these items. At the time (Oct. 1) I was leaving in a week for vacation but it was delayed until tomorrow. I do look forward to the XM radio during my trip.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Member Posts: 1,722
    Yes, the WeatherTechs are great. I have them in one of the Camrys. But, as I've said again and again, the regular Toyota carpet mats or the Toyota All-Weather mats ARE FINE, as long as you use the hooks and don't put mats on top of other mats - just use one mat. The directions are in the owner's manual. If you follow them, you won't have any problems. Same goes for all other makes and models of cars. You don't have to pull them out.

    Let me give you my first-hand experience - I have an 07 Camry with the recalled All-Weather mats. They were recalled because a few people decided to ignore the directions are not use the hooks and/or stack mats on top of one another. Guess what? I am STILL using the recalled All-Weather mats, and in 3 years, they have NEVER moved. My mechanic said the same thing as me.

    The WeatherTech mats come with all kinds of directions and warnings to use the hooks and don't use more than one mat. Sounds just like the Toyota owner's manual. ;)

    Anyway, just use you mats as per the directions and don't worry about it. Enjoy your car and your trip!
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Member Posts: 1,722
    In case you haven't heard, the NHTSA cleared Toyota of any problems regarding the floormat/acceleration issue. The only thing that was said was what I have been saying all along - use the hooks to secure the correct floormat, and only use one floormat (don't stack one on top of another). Same rule for ANY car.
  • toyotas2toyotas2 Member Posts: 15
    I live in the north east and I have noticed on my new 2010 Camry that the top 4 bars of the rear defroster don't work. It also seems like it take an awful long time to defrost the rear window. Anyone else have this same problem?
  • kiawahkiawah Member Posts: 3,666
    I'm traveling and don't have access to either my vehicle or the schematics, but I thought that some of the 'wires' were actually the radio antenna.

    Might look in the owners manual, and see if that is the case.
  • talmy1talmy1 Member Posts: 55
    If it is like my 2007 (and it probably is) the top bars are the antenna and not the rear window defroster.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    NHTSA just announced that they did no such thing, the investigation is still open.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Member Posts: 1,722
    The top lines are part of the antenna.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Member Posts: 1,722
    I see that - in my defense, there was an article on many sources earlier this week that said that the NHTSA closed the case, saying that they could find NO evidence that the car was at fault, only the floor mats being not secured or someone putting a floor mat on top of another.

    The bottom line is still this - just use the hooks and use only one floor mat (a correctly-fitting one, like a Toyota mat made for your 2007 through 2010 Camry or a WeatherTech) and you will not have any problems. With the millions of these cars out there, a VERY few high-profile cases has everyone panicking. Of course, in some cases, certain people are hoping that Toyota is at fault. Based on the numbers, the chances of you having a "run-away" car IF you have used the mats properly is less than your chances of hitting the Powerball lottery! I am still betting that there is no problem other than people using the wrong mats or not securing the mats, like the directions tell you to.

    I have a 2007 AND a 2010 - I am NOT concerned at all.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    The top lines are part of the antenna.

    Yep, that's the case in a lot of vehicles. No pressing need to see out the top part of the rear window typically...Most viewing I'd think is done out the middle.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    I'm not concerned either...

    But the only DBW car I own also has a clutch.

    Remember that majic tricks often work by getting you to look "elsewhere".

    Toyota could be doing exactly that.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Member Posts: 1,722
    Both my Camrys also have clutches - but even if they were automatics, I would NOT be concerned at all. I'm just not into conspiracy theories. ;)
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Member Posts: 1,722
    True, the NHTSA still has the case open. In my defense, someone at Toyota screwed-up and said the wrong thing early last week.

    BUT, the NHTSA said that there has been no evidence of unintentional acceleration ever found. The floor mats are the problem IF they are not secured with the hooks, or you put on on top of another, or use the wrong mat. They still have the case open, and Toyota is coming up with a fix to help the people who choose to not follow directions and/or use common sense with the floor mats.

    Bottom line for all drivers of ANY cars: Use the hooks, use the correct mat, and use only one mat. Then, you will not have any problems.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    A good, REALLY good, failsafe fix would be to KILL the EFI fuel feed any time the brakes are even lightly touched and the engine RPM remains even slightly above idle. That would combat any issue/question of the throttle being open or not.
  • koho955koho955 Member Posts: 97
    I just test drove the 2010 V-6 XLE. All the write-ups on the car talk about how quiet it is. The engine is loud, the road noise is loud and I could hear all exterior noises as though I had the windows wide open. Next I drove a BASE 2010 Highlander on the same roads and was shocked at how much more quiet it was compared to the Camry. I will spend the extra cash for the Lexus ES 350!
    Any opinions????
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    Better try out the ES before you lay down your cash.

    I find it hard to believe the 2010 Camry XLE V6 is noisy. My prior generation Camrys with 4-cylinder engines are very quiet to my ears.
  • koho955koho955 Member Posts: 97
    I forgot to ask; does anyone else think the JBL sound system in the Camry XLE sound like your in an echo chamber when listening to talk radio???
    I need to know if I'm crazy or not!
  • smarty666smarty666 Member Posts: 1,503
    I test drove a Camry XLE V6 and a Lexus ES350 back in the summertime, while the ES was noticeably quieter and had more sound insulation then the Camry XLE, the XLE was by no means loud or noisy during the test drive; you people who say the XLE is noisy need to go drive a sports car or a GM product to know what loud road/wind noise is like in the cabin

    you really have to decide if you can afford the payments of a Lexus vs a Toyota: if money is no problem then jump on the ES350: it definitely was a little bit more quieter and the materials/fit and finish was better than in the camry, but the camry is still a really nice car for someone on a budget or who just wants a set and forget car to take them from point A to B

    no matter how insulated a car is, even such as a Lexus product, your still going to hear a slight bit of wind/road noise when your cruising along an interstate doing 70-80mph!
  • acdiiacdii Member Posts: 753
    The Camry is not a quiet car. I had a 2009 Hybrid, it whined, it had wind noise, and every bump reverberated through the cabin. Compared to the 2010 Fusion, it is no better than an old clunker. Try a Fusion before putting cash out on anything, you may be pleasantly surprised at how quiet it is. I have the Sport with the 3.5 V6, it has a nice growl under acceleration, but is quiet the rest of the time. The SEL is even quieter as it has more rubber on the wheels and has the 3.0 V6 that isn't sport tuned, so you barely hear the motor.

    If you really want to be shocked at a loud noisy car, go test drive a 2007 or 08 Lexus RX400h, if you think the V6 in the Camry was loud, the Lexus was HORRIBLE! It sounded like it wanted to run in every direction except the one it was designed to.

    Sorry all you Toyota fans, after owning 2 of them from 07 till just a few months ago, they are not that great of a car anymore.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Member Posts: 1,722
    "The Camry is not a quiet car."

    You really should be in the Midsize forum, not here. That would be like me going on the Fusion forum and telling you how good the Camry is. ;)

    I will say that you are one of the few that has this opinion. What about all the reviews, which are not just one person on the net? In general, they say the Camry is one of the quietest for this class.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    "...loud noisy car...RX400h.."

    Often has a LOT to do with tires. My F/awd RX300 runs on nice and quiet, comfortably riding, summer use only, Bridgestone Turanzas throughout the year. Tire chains at the ready when/if needed.

    A can of rubberized undercoating discharged onto each tire well liner also helps tremendously.
  • investinvest Member Posts: 7
    Bought a 2010 Camry Hybrid fully loaded after comparing to Fusion and after owning a 2008 Acura TL-S. I find the Camry remarkably quiet with an extremely smooth ride in comparison to both of those cars. The JBL sound system is excellent and compares reasonably well to the Acura. I think the interior of the camry is somewhat low rent compared to the Acura as one would suspect but worth the sacrifice as I am saving 30-45 minutes each way on my commute as I am allowed to use the HOV lanes. As someone who has owned three infiniti's and an Acura over the past 12 years, I find the Camry the most comfortable and quiet car I have owned and as slog through hours of my slow commute.
  • smarty666smarty666 Member Posts: 1,503
    agree totally with you, I have a 2008 Base TL right now and while I love the car it definitely was not as quiet as the Camry or ES350 I test drove earlier this year; I've never read any reviews on edmunds, car and driver, motortrend, automobile mag, JD Power, US News and World Report, or consumer reports stating the camry is a loud, unrefined, noisy car; in fact most professional reviewers have made it a point to state how class leading the camry is in regards to engine refinement, isolation and quietness while in the cabin and I have to concur with their opinion after driving one; I do agree the interior quality/fit and finish of the camry is not up on par with the Acura but you would expect that since toyota is not a luxury division

    also, a 4cyl or hybrid powertrain is always going to be louder than a V6 no matter what kind of car you have; the hybrid engines are especially loud and whinny sounding when in use and I'm not sure if that is what some of the other people were referring to
  • bennyboy25bennyboy25 Member Posts: 12
    Just picked up my new 2010 Toyota Camry today and I have to say that I really love it. It is somewhat of a "family" sedan, but I really love the exterior design. I ordered it in the Magnetic Gray and it looks very sharp. I bought the 4 cylinder model with the "Touring" package. It comes with the bluetooth, power sunroof, alloy wheels, power seat, digital compass rear view mirror, sirius satellite radio, vaccum fluorescent display... I haven't read all the posts here as there are quite alot but some people were wondering about the VFD and the brightness at night. I drove it this evening and found it to be just fine. It's not too bright and I have not tried to adjust it yet. It's fine the way it is. Also, the engine is not loud at all. It has more power than last year plus comes with a six speed automatic. The extremely high quality of the 2010 Camry on the exterior and interior is VERY apparant and there is nothing to complain about at all. What more can you ask for? I am really glad to have made the decision to purchase this car and I am looking forward to many trouble free years of ownership. If anyone has any questions about the vehicle or the options which come with my package then let me know. I'll be happy to tell you guys about it in greater detail. In my opinion, Toyota makes the BEST vehicles of any manufacturer. I have owned many different brands in the past and nothing comes close.
  • acdiiacdii Member Posts: 753
    I was referring to the engine under the hood, not the ride noise, which was OK. The ride was the only thing I could compliment it on.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    I ordered it in the Magnetic Gray and it looks very sharp. I bought the 4 cylinder model with the "Touring" package.

    What's the touring package? Is it anything like the Avalon Touring that sharpens handling and firms up the very soft ride?
  • koho955koho955 Member Posts: 97
    Funny that your complaint is about the engine noise; the V6 engine noise didn't bother me nearly as much as the road noise you hear.....It's almost like you have the windows open. I took a long test drive and was shocked at the traffic noise I could hear through the glass (the whole car) when sitting at a light while the cars whizzed by. I followed up the Camry V6 XLE test drive with the base version Highlander and was shocked at the difference in road noise I could hear on the same roads. I wish I could afford the lease payments on a Highlander.
    I am going to test drive the Ford Fusion today but since I live in Chicago I get nervous when I see sport tires on any car or truck.
  • bennyboy25bennyboy25 Member Posts: 12
    I live in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. I think that we have different packages here than in the U.S. I do not believe that the Touring package changes the handling at all or firms up the ride. I am pretty sure that it is just the name they gave it when they decided to load up the Camry with such great features over and above the base model. If I wanted a sportier feel then I would have gone for the Camry SE. That package adds a sport-tuned suspension featuring stiffer springs, solid rear stabilizer bar, and a V-brace connecting the rear suspension tower with the floor cross member for greater rigidity and better handling. It also comes with performance-tuned power steering. I am not into the whole "sport" thing. I really appreciate the Camry for what it is. It is very quiet under the hood and road noise is not an issue at all. I feel that the SE wouldn't be as quiet and soft since it is geared more towards sport.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    I feel that the SE wouldn't be as quiet and soft since it is geared more towards sport.

    I forgot completely about the SE being = to "Touring" in Avalon speak. D'uh, grad!!

    Quiet, yes. Soft? No. I've driven two current-gen Camry models; an LE-V6 and an SE-V6. The SE was definitely stiffer in the ride department, but I didn't notice either of them being particularly noisy. I drive an Accord though, which tend to be noisier than Toyotas in general.
  • bennyboy25bennyboy25 Member Posts: 12
    I was not meaning that the SE would be noisy in terms of the engine as it is only has a few more horses under the hood. I was referring to the drive. With Sport versions of vehicles the road noise is always more apparant and you can hear and feel all the little bumps and imperfections in the road. It is on purpose of course but it's not for me. I agree with you that the Accord is noisier than the Toyota. In the past I have owned a 1994 Accord 4 cly. and a 1998 Accord 4 cly. and I found that the engines were very loud and not to my liking. I never tested the current Accord before making my decision to go with the Camry. I like the exterior design of both the 2010 Camry and Accord though. They both look great although it appears that the Camry is just a little bit bigger. I have not compared figures but this is just what it seems like to my eye.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    I was not meaning that the SE would be noisy in terms of the engine as it is only has a few more horses under the hood. I was referring to the drive. With Sport versions of vehicles the road noise is always more apparant and you can hear and feel all the little bumps and imperfections in the road.

    The sound-deadening shouldn't be different in the two trim levels, I wouldn't think - only the tires, will which make a relatively small difference. The Accord is actually bigger than the Camry, making it a little too large to be something I'd want to replace my '06 Accord with, if I'm choosing a sedan. I'm more concerned with front-seat room, something few cars give me enough of; I'm 6'5" with a 35" inseam though, so not your norm! :D
  • bxsmith82bxsmith82 Member Posts: 4
    Can you tell me what kind of Oil for Camry SE 2010? I know it is 0W-20, but does it need to be Regula, Blend Synthesis, or Synthesis Oil?

    Thanks,

    Bill
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Member Posts: 1,722
    Anything that is 0W-20 is fine, but it will be synthetic. I use Mobil 1, $6.27 per quart at Wal-Mart. They don't make it in the large gallon jugs yet, just quarts.
  • bennyboy25bennyboy25 Member Posts: 12
    When I made the deal for my 2010 Camry I had the dealer throw in a set of rubber mats and the rubber trunk liner as well. I didn't notice the other day when picking up the vehicle, but now I see that the rubber mats that were put in the car are not the custom fit design that is Camry specific. The Toyota logo is on them but the name of the dealership is also embossed as well. The dealer must have a third party company who manufactures these mats for them. They do not have small holes near the bottom so as to allow them to be hooked in place. He placed them on top of the fabric mats that were already in the car. They cover the majority of the floor and look nice but I am worried about them moving around and having the gas pedal becoming stuck and thus creating an accident like what has recently happened to an unfortunate family in the U.S. Perhaps my salesman is not aware of the horrific tragedy that has occured. I was under the impression that I was going to recieve a set of rubber mats specific for the 2010 Toyota Camry. Am I worrying about this too much and over analyzing the situation or should I go back to the dealer and complain?
  • koho955koho955 Member Posts: 97
    All Toyota winter rubber mats that are designed for a specific vehicle have been recalled by Toyota and Toyota dealers are not allowed to sell them. This is probably why you received the ones you did so this way if something happens, Toyota is not responsible. I was told that once the mats do get re-released or if you use other winter mats, take out the carpet mats first and lock them in place with the provided hole.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    I'd go back and get a refund. You don't want mats that can slide around, at least for the driver. As koho955 mentioned, a redesigned rubber mat plus a change in the gas pedal will be performed under a recall, so you should just use the carpet mats for now, but make sure the latter are properly secured!
  • skilauskilau Member Posts: 26
    Quiet, yes. Soft? No. I've driven two current-gen Camry models; an LE-V6 and an SE-V6. The SE was definitely stiffer in the ride department, but I didn't notice either of them being particularly noisy. I drive an Accord though, which tend to be noisier than Toyotas in general.

    Agreed 100%.
    That was exactly my take as well when I test drove both of them. The LE-V6 rode smoother and took bumps a lot better. The SE-V6 was stiffer, and you could "feel" the road more. I drove a Dakota truck before this, and the SE-V6 felt more like that ride. If I could have gotten a "happy medium", I would have gone with that, but since I didn't find something in the middle, I went with the LE-V6.
  • skilauskilau Member Posts: 26
    Seriously???

    Wow, that is absolutely amazing.

    With all the Toyota Floormat stuff in the news these days, I cannot believe the dealer would give you those mats without the holes, let ALONE the fact that he put the 2nd set of mats on top of the first...

    That is just unbelievable!

    Maybe you could excuse the average joe not knowing about it, but when a Toyota dealer, whose cars are literally right now, in recall for floormats such as yours, and doesn't either know about the stacking issue, or simply doesn't care, thats just plain frightening.

    I don't know if I would go back to the dealer first, or whether I would instead call Toyota right now and tell them about the complete incompetence of your dealer.

    Either way, you have a real serious issue here, regardless of what people might think of the recall itself...
    Your dealer violated a direct order for the recall when they gave you those hookless mats and put them on top of the existing mats.
    I am still flabbergasted at that!
  • xluxlu Member Posts: 457
    I rented a Toyota Camry in this summer vacation right after renting a Pontiac G6. Boy, the Camry was much worse. In addition to the boring and cheap looking inside out (the gray seat cloth was the cheapest interior of any cars I've seen), the car wobbled like a boat, had very insecure handling, significant wind noise, and intrusive suspension. The radio console was overly big and empty and served no purpose.

    BTW, go check the user comments in the Yahoo Auto to see how many transmission problems this car has.
  • bennyboy25bennyboy25 Member Posts: 12
    I have driven a Pontiac G6 before and found it to be absolutely terrible. It is such a low budget vehicle. If you read up on it you'll see that the quality/reliability is abysmal. I won't say it is butt ugly but it isn't striking either. I do like the fat spoke chrome wheels. I think they are available on the GT version. The G6 is suited for the car rental market. The fabric seat material is the worst on the market and the plastics used inside are horrific. I suppose we all have our own opinions.

    The transmission in the 2010 Camry doesn't have any problems. People have been saying that when the vehicle is new the tranny seems to hunt for gears/downshift especially when slowing down/coasting. This is supposedly due to the fact that the Camry comes with a fuel shut off feature. Also, when brand new, the vehicle must learn your specific driving style. It might be a few thousand km's/miles before the tranny smooths out. I am not concerned about it at all.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    My 2005 Prius was in the shop as a result of an event with an already-expired deer in my lane at 10:30 PM on a rural highway going home.

    Awaiting parts and repairs for the next two weeks I drove a 2010 XLE 4c Camry back and forth every day. I had heard that the new 2.5L 1AR engine was spectacular in terms of smoothness and fuel economy but I was more than shocked.

    For the last 10 years I've been driving the same 150 miles every day on the same route in the same conditions. The speed limit ranges from 35 to 65 with a few stop lights. 85% of it is rural highway, 15% is suburban driving.

    I've done it in a ...
    '93 Ford Escort, 5m getting about 32 mpg over 30,000 miles
    '97 Camry LE, 2.2L 4AT getting about 32 mpg over 130,000 miles
    '00 Camry CE, 2.2L 4AT getting about 32 mpg over 70,000 miles
    05 Prius getting 47.5 mpg lifetime over 135,000 miles
    08 Camry hybrid getting 39 mpg over 1000 miles
    07 Highlander hybrid getting 29 mpg over several hundred miles
    04 Highlander V6 getting 23 mpg over 2000+ miles

    So the 2010 Camry for 1000 miles was a good test of its capabilities. It had already been broken in for 2500 miles.

    Initial fillup. From the gas station to the highway is about 10 miles.
    ...@ a constant 35 mph in suburban driving with no stops.... 44 mpg! HUH??
    ...stopped at a light to get on the highway then getting onto the highway the display began to fade quickly from 44 to 42 to 40
    ...but at a constant 55 mph, the speed limit, I could hold the display of the tank average right at 39 mpg.
    ...every stop and start up was a significant penalty ( City-type driving ).
    ...the tank average on the display ended up at 38 mpg

    Tank #2 with no special efforts at playing with the pedal ala the Prius hypermiler games ended up at 36 mpg
    Tank #3 ditto... 36 mpg, but climbing.

    What I found interesting was that at a constant cruising type of driving the tank average on the display began to add 0.1 mpg for every 15-20 min that the Camry was being driven. I built it up to 39 mpg several times....then city stop and start driving intervened to drive the tank average down to 36 mpg again. Start all over again.

    For me there are two key points here...
    These results for me are very equivalent to what I've been able to achieve in the Camry hybrid over 1000 miles of highway driving. The benefit of course in the TCH is that the city driving doesn't penalize the driver as much as it does the driver of the non-hybrid.

    The other is that the next Gen TCH - if replacing the 2.4L with the new 1AR 2.5L engine - will very likely have fuel economy ratings almost as good as my 2005 Prius!!!
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    Yes take out the carpetted mats from underneath and secure the All Weather mats to the anchors. Be safe.
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