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2010 Toyota Camry
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Improvments at the low RPM range almost always result in my HP/torque at higher RPM and vica versa.
DFI being a good, current, example.
On the '05, I have complete records from new up to its current 32K miles. Worst believable is 20 mpg, best is 35 mpg. We've taken enough long-distance trips (including a 2400-mile round trip to Florida this past spring) to count on 32 mpg on the highway, using cruise and keeping to the speed limit. Also included in this trip was a 602-mile run on a single tank -- meeting your challenge -- where I refilled with 18.53 gallons, yielding (surprise!) 32+ mpg. "
I remember both of those - it was from that latter post that I concluded that your unequalled range with low refill error constituted the upper actual limit of fuel efficiency for the automatic. Alls I wanted to say is that lots of gears do not necessarily translate into better efficiency - although it might sell more cars to those who chose to believe it.
to beatthat conversationinto the ground.Back to the future Camry, please.
Spec: 2.5L I4 179hp/173 lb-ft torque Dual VVT-i also found in the 2009 Rav4
Honda 4 cyl 177bhp 161 ft lbs torque
Honda ex 4cyl 190bhp 162 ft lbs torque
I dont see toyota being behind since torque is what counts.
Honda v6 271 bhp 254 ft lbs torque
Toyota v6 268 bhp 248 ft lbs torque
Hmmm Madpistol, i'm still not seeing Toyota way behind or needing anything really to catch up. These torque numbers tell me Toyota doesnt "desperately need "to do much of anything. They will always be neck and neck, thats what competition is all about.
Later
Caaz
I never found my former '97 Camry 4 with a "measly" 133 hp inadequate for doing what had to be done (merging into freeway traffic for one). The trick is getting up to speed on the onramp BEFORE you hit the acceleration lane. (I realize this may not be possible in places with antiquated freeways like NYC, but in VA, no problem.)
Here is a note: Despite 2007-2009 Camry current has only 2.4L 158hp, the accord LX with 177 hp has a slower 0-60 times.
The Corolla Still sold well due to the excellent fuel economy (best in class, according to CR), so if mileage is the main concern, it will not affect the product as much, but the Camry is more than just a top-mileage vehicle. It is the benchmark for midsize sedans. So I recommend to watch out.
I also hope to see in the 2010 illuminated controls for all power windows, door locks, and mirrors. And bluetooth available in ALL models.
anyone has any pic for the facelift camry? there are suppose to be 2 types of design, one for japan domestic, one for export, like ASEAN and australia, we got the design made in thailand.
cant wait to see the facelift version.
the other thing is, if its 2.5L, confirm 6-speed auto? confirm production in feb 2009?
cheers
Electric power stearing will be only one of those.
I would have advised a variable displacement ATF pump within the transaxle to supply pressure for both functions.
The newest Porsche 911 engine uses an electric pump for engine internal lubrication to avoid the HUGE level of overpumping with a standard gear type pump at high engine RPM, 20HP gain...(?).
If you are really concerned with handling, I suggest looking at other vehicles besides Toyota. I don't drive sports cars, but rather 4-door midsizers, but the Toyota's combo of a brake pedal with all the confidence-inspiring feel of mirangue and uncommunicative truck-like steering makes for a very unsecure feeling when maneuvering, to me. Even the SE suffers from numbness.
I'm not expecting it, but I'm hopeful that this is improved for 2010.
Oh the horror of front-wheel drive!
What are you doing here in a Camry forum, anyway? Shouldn't you be out powersliding somewhere?
While I don't have any pic, my prediction is that it will not be as good as the current version. Leave it for Toyota -- every mid-cycle refresh must be worse than the first version, so it looks like an afterthought. If you remember the last Camry redesign (I think it was 2005) you'll know what I mean. Same for other models, like Sienna, etc.
The new refreshed 2010 Ford Fusion, on the other hand, seems to be much more advanced in design, and will be an improvement over the current version -- especially in the front grille section, which will blend beautifully into the front end.
No one in their right mind would intentionally drive a FWD into an "understearing" circumstance on the public roadbeds in wintertime since recovery is simply a "game of chance". But then there is the subject of unintentional or inadvertent "understearing", in those conditions, what then...??
Wrong, DEAD wrong...!!
Assuming equally capable VSC systems the RWD or R/AWD will still remain less hazardous overall, but certainly so in wintertime conditions.
Look at how, what most VSC systems do for a vehicle that is understearing. On the assumption that the front wheels have no "reserve" traction they dethrottle the engine and apply braking to the rear wheels, hopefully remaining with some "reserve" traction. Some of newer vehicles with electric power stearing will even apply a counter-stearing force to the stearing wheel against your stearing control input.
With over-stearing it is presumed that some reserve traction remains at the front so differential braking is used at the front to create a "moment" counter to the over-stearing direction.
But in a rather strange way it may be that you are correct.
Since wheelspin/slip due to engine torque is so potentially hazardous in a FWD or F/AWD the VSC/TC systems will be inordinately QUICK, in comparison to RWD or R/AWD(***), to dethrottle the engine the very INSTANT wheelspin/slip is detected.
The result.....??
Increased SAFETY of FWD and F/AWD since fewer FWD and F/AWD owners will venture out once they initially encounter TC activation.
*** Since the potential for loss of directional control isn't as great for RWD or R/AWD vehicles many TC systems delay dethrottling the engine for several hundred milliseconds once wheelspin/slips develops due to engine torque. If the driver doesn't respond fairly quickly by feathering the throttle then TC will then dethrottle the engine.
This could easily just be a small little electric/hydraulic pump using the same steering as today....in which case you'd still have steering. I'm sure the engineers' have thought about loosing electrical power.
Most current electric power stearing systems have an overheat mode wherein it operates at reduced capacity if used "too"(??) much. Apparently a few owners have already encountered this problem.
My granddad preferred the non-power steering of his old Honda to the power-assisted steering on his Frontier. Said it was much easier to keep straight on the highway.
Honestly, you can say whatever you want about FWD vs. RWD cars. The problem is during this day, RWD sedans have become associated with Luxury/sports cars far more than regular sedans. It's very difficult to find a RWD sedan for < $30k. The exceptions are the Pontiac G8 and the Dodge Charger/Chrysler 300C, which both cars can EASILY be pushed above $30k by adding on a few options. Realize that the only import car is the G8... since the G8 is Australian, is that considered an upgrade or a downgrade compared to domestics?
Back on topic, I've heard about the woes of the Corolla's EPS, but I haven't experienced it first hand yet. Some people describe it like "steering a brick" except that the brick would at least tell you what its limits were. :surprise:
Hopefully, the 2010 Camry will stay clear of this sort of approach.
Sorry, you're wrong.
I've driven a car with power steering when the vehicle stalled/died at speed. All hydraulic power was lost (electricals were fine, however). Losing braking power was the issue; losing power steering wasn't a problem at all.
Think of having to parallel park, for instance.
yeah, but read the article. there's a misleading headline and nothing in the story to support that 100mpg claim. lousy journalism.
1. NEW 2.5 4 Cyl engine.
2. New front and rear bumpers, grill, headlights, taillights.
3. New Wheel Design.
Speculative changes:
1. A new color or two
2. Gen 6 Nav system
3. Minor interior trim changes--gauge and control fonts may change.
4. More availability of Smart Key on models other than XLE.
5. Hybrid version may get more trim/exterior mods to differentiate it from gas models.
More to come if I can confirm any other changes.