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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?



  • fintailfintail Posts: 43,311
    Fun day! Now you can get into the diesel habit of at least loosely tracking mpg. I didn't track mine today, average speed on my drive home from work was 14mph - I don't want to know :sick:
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,626
    edited August 2013
    Congratulations, on your new VW T TDI, Luxury, White on Saddle Brown !

    To add to your (flawless) inspection experiences, all three of my TDI's were also. I am glad to see that seems to be a goal VWA and dealers shoot for. It is nice to know the dealers all top off the fuel tank. Your salesman's 1.75 hour talk brought a smile to my face. Mine spoke like an auctioneer in full sales mode, for app the same time as yours spoke.(2 hours) I actually went back for the customer satisfaction first visit and asked to get the once over (30 days later) @ that time I got a salesman who hailed from where the Touareg was made, so I got another hour on the European slant to this model, and another 1.25 hrs on the functionality and 15 min Q& A. I take it you and your wife had a good experience ! ?

    TMI: low fuel warning lamp/buzzer on the VW T TDI normally comes on a little after 23 gals/26.4 gal tank. So in effect, you had app 3.4 gals to find fuel. So how much D2 did it TAKE in the real world?
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,223
    We came across the 52 from the 163. 5 oclock traffic. I will leave a review. Plan to take a mountain cruise up for breakfast in the morning. Wife's turn to drive. It is nice handling and Sirius helped the sections of stop n go traffic. Wife is reading the manual right now. I just get in and drive. Do have to set up Homelink in the morning for the garage door.
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,223
    I was so excited to get on the road I did not pay attention to how much D2 he put in. I know he popped it twice. He also told me any time he is there to come in and he will fill it up for us and give it a wash. I also found out a loaner comes if they need to keep the vehicle. Not with Toyota it don't. You are right VW is serious about service. At least this dealer. Part of Group one.
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,223
    Just looking at the laminated Monroney Sticker laying in the back. It has a dealer added equipment sticker taped to the back. Our sale was based on the MSRP of $55,235. The dealer had installed a Desert Protection package $695, 5 year warranty vehicle recovery $229, Window tint $399 and lifetime Nitrogen for $99. For a total price of $56,657. The way it was taped to the back of the sticker you would not see it. It came from a dealer in Scottsdale.

    Googling the package it seems buyers from the AZ dealer this car came from were dinged from $1000 to $1700 for the Desert Protection package. Still don't know what it is or does.
  • ohenryxohenryx Posts: 285
    edited August 2013
    msg 10308 Gagrice You are right VW is serious about service. At least this dealer.

    The ex and I purchased a Passat in 2008. The dealer we purchased from didn't even get all of the film off of the paint. And one of the rear fenders was missing a brace and flopping in the wind. Luckily for us, the dealer we used for service was exemplary. With VW, it seems to vary quite a bit from dealer to dealer.

    msg 10303 gagrice Salesman spent hour and 45 minutes showing us all the different gadgets including linking my wife's old Cell phone.

    My most recent new car delivery was not as pleasant, and they did indeed hear about it when I filled out their survey.

    Congratulations on your new ride! Many miles of happy motoroing.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    My sister had a '00 New Beetle with the usual electrical problems they were noted for (mostly the windows). The dealer was just awful but around '06 they must have overhauled the management because they got a lot better. They got so much better my sister put VWs back on her shopping list again, after swearing them off for good a few times. Don't know if VW corporate yelled at them or what but something sure made a difference.
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,223
    edited August 2013
    With VW, it seems to vary quite a bit from dealer to dealer.

    That is a fact. The dealer closest to us would have had our business. But they tried to pull a fast one adding $999 to the lease deal they emailed me. And it was not that great of a deal before the bump up. I think waiting was our best move. We got exactly what we wanted and a dealer I feel will be there. Our salesman has only sold two Touaregs in 9 months on the job. But he knows a lot about it. He said the dealership sent them to school on each model.

    He pulled out the heavy rubber mats and replaced with the carpeted ones. The retainers are really slick on the Touareg. No big hook in the floor to snag your shoe getting in and out. They also have the retainers on both sides of the carpet so it stays straight. On the Sequoia it was always working its way around with the single hook in the floor. Probably an after thought when people were getting the floor mats jammed into the accelerator. If I trade in 3 years, I will have those very nice rubber mats to put back in.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,626
    edited August 2013
    I have been a rubber mat convert for a lot of years. Dirt that finds its way into "fabric" carpet, almost literally does not come out, short of replacement. In the best and worse cases, one can wash a rubber mat, air dry it and its good to go back in, aka CLEAN. In most cases, I just unsnap it, (being careful to keep the dirt on the mat) use a nylon tool bench brush to (to get in the curved grooves) and it is normally just fine.
  • dave8697dave8697 Posts: 1,498
    At times, gas is $3.45 and diesel is $4. That makes a 30 mpg gas car on par with a 35 mpg diesel for total fuel cost. Other times the gap is smaller or larger. I fix my own cars 95% of the time, so why would I want to have to learn to fix a new technology? That also applied to EVs. My issue is getting efficient cars under the right foot of more of my family, not getting to $4 fuel. My wife gets 12 mpg avg in the winter, driving the Astro on 10 mile round trips. I manage over 30 mpg avg from my 4 cyl mid-size car. I drive 4 times as much distance but sometimes I think if we traded vehicles, my fuel costs would not even go up. She'd get 27 mpg and I'd squeeze 20 from the Astro.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,626
    edited August 2013
    As you imply, the system is rigged. The VW Polo TDI that gets app 75 mpg is BANNED (through a series of economic and emissions obstacles). So as you ask the question: why would one want to drive a 30 mpg car RUG/PUG when one can drive a 75 mpg (D2) car? The system even as it celebrates the 50 mpg Prius for easily a decade (took several redesigns before the average drive COULD get 50 mpg) , really does not want a "wholesale" switch to 50 mpg vehicles (be they hybrid. D2 or RUG/PUG), especially @ this time. I can easily get 38-42 on a 04 Civic (sub $13k) Again, why would one want to spend $12k + plus more for a glorified Corolla ? Why not keep your Astro? (van?) NO payments are a VERY VERY good thing !! ??

    On the other hand, if one has a good diesel, the same applies. I have an 03 Jetta TDI with 180,000 miles that STILL can nail 44 to 62 mpg (50 average) and I am shooting at the least for 400,000 miles before a new clutch job.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    Trouble is, new gasser technology isn't getting less complicated either. So the expense and training necessary to fix a new gasser may not be any cheaper than on a diesel (or an EV for that matter).

    That's one excuse I use to justify driving my 14 year old van.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,626
    A good reason to shoot (short term) for 25 years on 2 TLC's 1994/1996. ;)
  • slorenzenslorenzen Posts: 694
    Awaiting (not so) patiently...

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 11,223
    You know, as much as that electrical gremlin on the Dodge GC drove me insane, I actually thought about waiting for the new owner to come back to it the other day when I saw it at Safeway to see if they'd sell it back to me. :sick:
    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,223
    We just got back from driving an 80 mile loop in the Mountains. Up to 6000 ft and back near sea level. The computer says 25.9 MPG for the tank so far. That includes driving it home from the dealer in rush hour stop and go traffic. I think I am going to like this a lot. Had a great breakfast over looking Cuyamaca lake. Sitting on the deck 75 degrees, was perfect. Great morning great Ute so far.

  • slorenzenslorenzen Posts: 694

    Beautiful rig.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited August 2013
    Yeah, really like the white.

    The car, not the hair (my beard is the same color as yours lol).

    You're going to drive us crazy with the mpg reports; we'll have to rely on the computer read-out since it'll be three months before you fill up again. :D
  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    wow .. 25.9 MPG. My '06 ION struggles to get that in mostly city driving; even with some highway thrown in, I get around 26-28.

    To get that with something as large as the T-Reg is pretty impressive.

    If I ever come into a large sum of money that I could spend on transportation, I'd certainly consider it. Sounds like a great long distance tourer - a tank and a half to get from Denver to LA.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    So's mine..haha In fact there's a good chance the majority on this forum are white, lol

    It looks good, although it looks like it has the big wheels and consequently low(er) profile rubber...probably part of the Lux Pkg :( Love the style of wheels though :)

    I think you will exceed Ruking's mileage by a fair bit, since I don't think you plan to do as many mountains or run as loaded as he does..altho that is yet another joy with easily exploited torque...loads don't make a huge difference. So opposite of gas jobs. That 25.9 on 1st tank check, is very impressive for a brand new tight rig.
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