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What vehicle was this? It couldn't have been the TLCs.. and the VW T doesn't have that much HP, plus has a bit more torque than that, and it sure wasn't the Jetta or Golf, so...
Well, I was posting 34.5 mpg, but could not resist much less than 75 mph on the upgrade (210 miles ZERO to 7382 ft down to 6225 ft) on the SOS DD trip. The views and weather were GORGEOUS !! It didn't fall off too much given a few stops and slows for mountain road work (escorted traffic, other than those, almost no back ups). The low fuel lamp and buzzer went off and filled 23.77 gals/ 26.4 gal tank (3.65 per gal) 786 miles or 33.2 mpg.
I'm not familiar with the Tierra del Sol run. Was this your very truck?
See why I call 'em Bruisers? haha That one's a little close, if not over the edge of maybe of running the oil pump a little starved, unless you had special baffles in the pan?
http://www.tds4x4.com/
August's Car and Driver has a comparison on the Jetta TDI and Cruze diesel. The manufacturers probably wish they would have left off the "rolling coal" photo with the article though.
Since we have nothing to compare the Cruze with, I would say VW did pretty well with all the decontenting starting in 2010. If I were looking to get another Jetta TDI I might reconsider after reading that article. Right now I have an ad blue and two with no ad blue.
I saw the print edition of C&D at the docs earlier today but my wife got finished with her eye exam and I never actually read the comparison. The photo stuck with me though.
I used to be a skeptic about Ad Blue. Now if it was a choice between having it or not, I would still be in the NOT camp. However given current regulations, it is pretty apparent the use of Ad Blue gives @ least an mpg advantage.
I am not put off in the least about (Chevrolet's) rear drum brakes. Given some of the issues on VW's about REAR disc brakes, not only is Chevrolet being proactive about addressing the (American) issue, but rear drum brakes are both cheaper and last longer. (given the issue).
While off topic, the rear drum brakes on the Honda Civic are swagged to go a minimum of 250,000 miles. So what would be a full consumption issue on the Civic is cut literally @ least in half.
I'm in the amen corner with you on rear drums.
VW is doing the 0/0, and the incentives.
There is actually a back story to Chevrolet/GM dealers in this area. I didn't get the Z06 in the immediate local area. Three local area's dealers were either forced out or went Chapter 11, when GM went through its Chapter 11. So while I am sure there is a now (going on) #4, I haven't kept up with it and have been using an Indy. One side benefit is the owner when I go likes to get me out in his latest power and handling upgrade projects (normally other clients cars) . Some of these machines are just plain scary.
The interesting anomaly was being able to "resume speeds" after new tires break in. There were also road work delays in the mountains. My swag would have been a LOSS of mpg even for a downgrade leg.
I think this is harder to understand for those that have not driven a diesel and actually a lot of diesel drivers have issues implementing this. Normally this works better for a stick shift. One UP shifts to use the torque band better. One would normally downshift for a gasser stick shift. On the DSG (unless you use the manual sequential gear SHIFT gate) is really programmed to shift at the so called "correct" points.
Another advantage is to keep the engine in GEAR. When you do put it in neutral there is a cumulative fuel draw (.2 gal per hour) vs a "NO FUEL DRAW".
Now i personally do not shift the DSG as much as the VW TDI's A/T, as the fluid interval change is "LIFETIME" vs 40,000 miles DSG oil and filter change. However it is encouraging that there are some DSG's with 272,000 miles !!! So in that sense, I can see that it really does not wear as fast as I have been led to believe. I also will change the DSG filter and fluid @ the 65k to 70k miles range.
For 120,000 miles (first major tune up) Fuel Economy .gov lists 09 Jetta TDI @ 39.4, mpg (ULSD@ $3.99), 2.0 T @28.4 mpg (PUG@ $3.75), 2.5 L mpg @26.0 mpg (RUG@ 3.51), this would put consumption and cost (current corner store prices @):
1. 3,046 gals ULSD = $12,152.
2. 4,225 gals PUG = $15,845.
3. 4,615 gals RUG = $16,200.
respectively.
So some reasonable expectations might be: (with reasonable care and to the hosts issue of (lack of) BOREDOM)
1. 2nd & 3rd cycles (of 100k to 120k miles) with normal scheduled maintenance
2. SOME unscheduled maintenance.
In fact, app 40% of the US passenger vehicle fleet is 10 + years old. Basically it was one fact offered in its premise, that there was a pretty heavy (structural) European market slow down. This casts a LONG shadow on US markets. The US market current MY surge (projected sales of 16M + vehicles) is/was due to low interest rates and a portion of that was to replace a portion of the 10+ years segment. So if the 2011 PVF is @ 257.5 M, 40% or = 103 M vehicles are 10 years +old.
In contrast, European market cars acquisition and operating costs are more, despite availability of much more fuel efficient cars (US markets). The PVF is app 270 M vehicles and the average drivers yearly mileage is app 9,000 miles vs US market averags of 12,000 to 15,000 miles or 34% to 67% more miles per year.
The market trend for EXPORTED US refinery products (Congress has prohibited exporting DOMESTIC crude oil but RUG/PUG, D2, etc is ok) also have never been HIGHER !! The funny part in another article, sez we are exporting to China, Russia, Africa, Brazil, Venezuela, and get a load of this, DAH MIDDLE EAST !!!
They see us as "ROILING" the markets (taking their TURF?) Life's good !!
Exactly right, Steve! After WW2 Europe was in shambles. Small cars were the order of the day, and that mentality never really changed over the years. The price of gas and diesel were kept high due to taxes, I suspect to drive the masses to public transportation.
The smaller distances in Europe also meant that travel by train is more common.
And, the most popular class of car in Europe is the C-segment hatch (Focus, Golf, etc). In the US, it's the D-segment sedan (Accord, Camry, et al).
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The Taylor's posted 84 + mpg going 5 mph under the speed limit !! (95.3% better) Gerdes posted even better than his own record in a gasser/hybrid. @ 77 mpg for a 8,500 miles trip. (I am sure he wanted to complete the trip faster than a covered wagon)
The new Audi A6 TDI, ( not light @ app 4100+ #'s) is rated @ 38 mpg H EPA with a 3.0 L TDI posting 428 # ft !
Solely from the car poiint of view, these are truly the good ole days, the BEST of times !
So how are the big three doing with sales on gasser pick up trucks !! ??
It's all good
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Timex, found it on the beach. Still works (how's that for mileage?).
I've always thought that diesels were better as long distance cruisers, and that hybrids were better for around town fuel economy.
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I would think that the one true constant would be the trip mileage/gals consumed on the computer.
That's why a diesel hybrid sounds appealing to me,
This includes driving over Alpowa Summit and a couple smaller passes, passing trucks, small town slow traffic, etc.
Another: none of my on board computers show the (actual) gals consumed. Nor is there a way to show all the information you alluded to. Sure I can swag it (remaining) from the fuel gauge. So you are saying your Cruz diesel displays actual gals consumed? Even if it did, that would not prevent you from running out of fuel which (to me) is the underlying issue.