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I was looking at the Yeti and Roomster. What is the difference?
Another possibility is the Seat line. They also have a 1.0L gas engine in some of their cars.
I could get rid of the LS400 and Sequoia. A one vehicle fits all needs. Except keep the Nissan Friontier for hauling stuff.
Thanks, CARB, and don't forget the EPA that causes each powertrain to go through many expensive hoops to get "qualified."
The election's coming soon. You want more of this?
Didn't think it was coming to the US either though. (link)
The issue with gas is our designer gas is just not as good for mileage as most gas around the country. So the sooner I get rid of anything that uses gasoline the better. A luxury diesel SUV would be nice. I could get by with the Alltrack if it gets 40+ MPG on the highway. Easier to justify taking trips. Looks somewhat bigger than the Sportswagen.
Jesse Staley drives a 2002 Volkswagen Jetta that runs on diesel.
He filled up for $3.85 a gallon Friday at a Murphy USA station that was selling regular unleaded gasoline for $2.95.
"When I bought this car, diesel was $1.15 a gallon. Now it's almost $1 more than gasoline," he said.
"Typically demand does not fluctuate with diesel because it is mostly used by 18-wheelers, which don't have a demand season or an off season," Mai said. "Diesel also uses a more expensive, low-sulfur formulation the EPA rolled out about a year ago." (Bloomberg)
the new range will introduce four-cylinder diesel power courtesy of the 2.2-litre direct-injection twin-turbo engine introduced on Mercedes passenger cars.
This will create the $81,400 ML250 BlueTec, undercutting rival BMW’s cheapest X5 (the $92,100 xDrive30d) by a whopping $10,700, and Audi’s $90,500 Q7 3.0 TDI by $9100.
The four-cylinder Benz will also help to bridge the gap to smaller and cheaper BMW and Audi SUVs – the BMW X3 and Audi Q5 – that range between $62,000 and $75,000.
But the ML250 Bluetec gets about 37 MPG US combined. As they say better than a Corolla.
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/ACAB55F1D138EC23CA257989001FD7- 21
..."Volkswagen will offer all-wheel drive as an option. Just how efficiently the engines of the VW Passat Alltrack operate together with the intelligently controlled 4MOTION all-wheel drive system is illustrated by the two TDI engines: the 140 PS version has a low combined fuel consumption of 5.7 l/100 km (equivalent to 150 g/km CO2), while fuel consumption for the 170 PS version is 5.8 l/100 km (152 g/km CO2). The Volkswagen Passat Alltrack will debut in a world premiere at the 2011 Tokyo Motor Show; market launch for the new versatile Alltrack begins in early 2012."...
2013 Passat Alltrack
Given the US EPA of 43 mpg for the Passat TDI sedan, the extra "estate & 4 motion" machinery shaves off app 2 to 3 mpg., if the all track is either wanted, needed, required.
OK is one of the BIGGEST oil/gas producer states.
While I would assume that everything the article says is probably true, some of the scales and conclusions might not match the correlations they make/imply.
ULSD drops to $ 4.27 (yes, same corner store). SF Giants won the world serious. The celebration parade is scheduled for today. (Ah, will make it a point to watch it on Cable TV) Just did a fill for 31.4 mpg. Ho hum.
There are 336 units of 2012 VW Touareg TDI's in the US market inventory.
What's the average price of these Touareg's?
The RANGE of prices is from $39,990 to $60,655. There are three trim levels for the TDI: Sport/Luxury/Executive. The data base lists 191 unknown, Sport 81, Lux 52, Exec 12.
Taigun is neat, but Brazil loves small cars. The Ford EcoSport was a HUGE success, at one point the best selling "utilitario" there.
It's tiny - EcoSport is based on Fiesta platform.
That VW will be a hit there, watch.
Subaru will sell a billion Outback diesels when they finally offer it.
Look at the Impreza - they cut power and engine size and increased the price, then sales more than doubled. The XV exceeded demand expecations by 400% in Japan. And that's with mid 30s mpg, imagine 40+.
People are craving fuel efficient AWD. Demand is enormous.
However they can be inferred. One example could be the 2009 Jetta TDI, 1,500 IRS tax credit. Memory is a bit blurred, but as I remember: 65,000 units on limited conditions and time frames basis were eligible on the consumer side. The math would then indicated those costs would be a minimum of $ 97.5 M. (65,000 units x $1,500=) Needless to say for that generation model AND the $100 M Mahindra wasted up front to attempt to get their diesel here, the economic bars are VERY VERY high.
So again, if I can swag again, Subaru has to probably be able to sell a minimum of 65,000 diesel units and do the market research that 65,000 will be bought for that particular MY.
They can be inserted or cut out of the over all deals in a plethora of ways. Who knows what it is/was/continues to be on the oem/vendor sides.
The new Impreza is a smash hit, even overseas.
But really in line with my swag I think, that is why VW has used the 2.0 L TDI (common engine) in all the models that it has brought to the US markets. Ones that I can think of are Passat, Jetta, Golf, NB.
The other TDI engine, will probably be the 3.0 L TDI in variety of combinations, turbo, twin turbo, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E0LYU0AYG8&list=PL8F0981B98726601A&feature=playe- r_embedded#!
FFWD to 4:42 to see the speed run.
I think the AWD fuel economy of the diesel model would practically sell itself, as long as model pricing didn't present a barricade.
13 H Santa Fe Sport, over stating 5% to 13.7% (C 22 mpg claimed to 21 mpg revised: H 33 mpg claimed to 29 mpg revised )
13 H Elantra Coupe, overstating 3.7% to 5.4% (C 28 claimed to 27 revised: H 39 claimed to 37 revised)
13 Kia Rio, overstating 7.14% to 11.1% (C 30 claimed to 28 revised: 40 claimed to 36 revised)
Maybe if the manufacturers sold more diesels, more people would buy them.
Hm, chicken and egg.
I think I have @ least made a "logical" case for the high bar of entry into the diesel segment.
Are you saying the oems that do not have diesels in the US markets ARE chicken and do not want to bring those products (eggs) to market (US)?
So VW needs to sell a bunch so the rest of the automakers take notice.
But yeah, bean counters do have a reputation for being "conservative".
2011 world car sales INFOGRAPHIC
Possible back story
VW, a relative "heavy weight" of diesel in the US markets (aka absolutely's YES and NO) has only now 4.5% of the US market share. ( in an UPWARD direction: gassers and diesels and hybrids)
So IF (my swag ONLY) diesels are 20% of their market share , then the most diesel % is .9% (less than 1%)
To put that in a word perspective, passenger diesels have been and remain in almost an extreme minority position. (NTE 5% of 257.5 M (2010 NHTSA reg vehicle figures) = 12.875 M passenger vehicle diesels) 50% of that percentage are so called "light trucks, " passenger vehicle category. (now 6.44 M) This leaves app 3.22 M passenger CAR diesels (/ 257.5 M ), or
less than 1.25%
NHTSA FARS
How does that work? Is that referring to the EPA numbers.... which Hyundai has nothing to do with?
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
The article helps some... but I'm still a bit lost as to the logistics. I thought all numbers on window stickers were EPA numbers.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Actually it is rather stupid, as all it would have taken is one call to the EPA before complaints. To have heard these (by then numerous and multi model) complaints after most probably called Hyundai and Kia with no satisfaction/s probably struck the regulatory agencies: to where they imposed a series of how would you say: options.
No. You are being overly defensive. Asking for clarification is not the same as doubting. Not even close.
So I assume then it is standard practice that manufacturers test their own cars? And they state them as EPA numbers? I never realized that. That makes me doubt all numbers .... not that they mattered much anyway to me.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Penalties for gaming the test are big.
One problem is that you'd never be able to buy a gallon of the "pure" gas they use (and I assume they cherry pick the diesel fuel for the test too).
Again the 03 TDI has an (old)EPA of 42 C /49 H I have gotten a range of mpg of 44 (low) to a high of 62 mpg. In a horrendous commute slog it gets between 48-52 mpg. @ 75 mph highway with bursts to 85, 59 mpg. Truth is I am just fine with 48/50 mpg and will leave off the speeds :shades: I buy the cheapest ULSD I can find. :shades: 179,000 miles later, it literally still amazes me.