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I think that depends on where you are, my dealer in central VA has 4 on the lot, I think 2 are cloth and 2 are leather. I don't know if you are close by, but my salesman has told me that he will sell any of these for $1,000 under MSRP which is a good price but not as good as others I've seen.
With that said, I am waiting before plunging into the Fusion, first so I am not rolling over any negative equity(hopefully there is positive), and second waiting until there are a few out there with 20K+ on the clock and some history. With any luck there may even be some incentives on them once the tax credit is gone. I would rather have low interest financing than a small tax credit.
The electrical drain on the system when you run the A/C when it is 120F inside and 100F+ outside is significant; even when you roll down the windows for a few minutes ("but it blows my hair!") to get the inside temp down to 100F. Psychologically, when I'm experiencing this type of heat, I've found that I'm not as patient with coasting and accelerating real slowly.
For the last (first) 10 tanks of gas, at fill-up the estimated miles that could be driven on that tank (based on the mpg for the last 500 miles;I think) was 650 to 690 miles per tank. When I filled up this evening, the estimated miles was 600 miles for that tank.
When it cool down this evening to 88F, I ran errands for 25 miles of city driving, without A/C with windows down, and got about 50 mpg. So, I know the car is still working properly, it's just the heat.
My Milian HB beat the crap out of it in plain old acceleration. With the Sebring I put my foot all the way to the floor and it barely moved. The 190 hp in the Milian takes off much better. Perhaps it is the torque ratio or something. Also the Sebring just drunk gas and I guess I am just plain old spoiled now. I don't even think about going to the gas station now. I think that I go about 2 times a month at the most now.
Boy do I love my Milian Hybrid! :shades:
I live in West Chester, PA and I'm definitely willing to travel to Richmond, VA or beyond to save $1,000 if my local dealer will not match the price.
Go to my profile area and send me an email (on bottom of profile) if you want to coordinate more, I'll be glad to help out.
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The electrical drain on the system when you run the A/C when it is 120F inside and 100F+ outside is significant; even when you roll down the windows for a few minutes ("but it blows my hair!") to get the inside temp down to 100F. Psychologically, when I'm experiencing this type of heat, I've found that I'm not as patient with coasting and accelerating real slowly. "
I own a 2008 FEH, which uses the same Ford hybrid drive system. At temperatures above approximately 97F, the FEH increases the engine RPM by about 600, leading to lower gas mileage. This behavior has been confirmed in the 2009 FEH as well. It only happens when the A/C compressor is on - so an easy way to tell is to drive normally and then deactivate the A/C; if the RPM goes down by 600 or so, then the FFH has the same behavior as the FEH.
I'm wondering if you noticed - was your RPM higher when the A/C is used at higher outside temperatures?
I have read that the FFH uses electric A/C compressors, so I'm interested to find out if it also has this characteristic...
No surprise which wins!
For a better more direct cost comparison, lets take a new Camry SE verse Hybrid. The SE is the closest in comparison to what comes in the base Hybrid.
SE 27,008
Hybrid 28,363
Roughly a $1300 "Premium"
These are built with near identical options through their website.
Now used values for 2009 models.
SE ~ 20-21K
Hybrid ~24-25K
Lets now see depreciation,
SE $27,008 - $21,000 = $6,008
Hybrid $28,363 - $24,000 = $ 4,363
Nearly a $2000 difference, the SE now has cost you more than the $1300 Premium.
I took the low end for the Hybrid since they vary so much, and there are more UP models than base.
From what I have seen in used car prices so far, depreciation on the hybrids is actually less than the non hybrid models, so that pretty much proves that the hybrid does pay off in the long run in both gas savings and resale value, unless of course you are hard on the car and don't take care of it.
The above numbers are off the Edmunds used car listings, and not made up numbers, just an average of what is available in my area. The new car prices are right off the Toyota website in the build your own area. Hybrid base, only options are the floor mats, the SE the JBL option package that brings the SE up to the same basic components that are standard in the Hybrid, plus floor mats.
I paid $28,500 total for my 2009 TCH, $500 down financed $28K. I can turn around and sell for roughly $24K. I would say that's a pretty good deal considering I owe less than that on the loan. If it were not a hybrid, I would be upside down on the loan.
I've been out of town since my post, so it has taken this long to get back with you.
I agree with the response from dmatthews.
The a/c compressor in the FFH is electric.
Even though you can get a read-out of everything else, I don't think we can get a pure RPM read-out of the ICE in the FFH. We do get a "relative" read-out of power output of the ICE (and electric motor), but it doesn't appear accurate enough to know the actual RPM.
No, unfortunately I'm not the primary driver of our FFH.
Apple's inventory amounted to a pathetic 3 or 4 Mercury cars/SUVs. They had ZERO Milans (HB or otherwise). Apparently didn't seem to care.
One of their reps stated that they had had 1 (as in ONE) Milan HB since its release. Wasn't really expecting any. Had not ordered any for stock. What kind of a dealer is this?
I thought that this was just negligence on Apple Ford's part, but no, it turned out that in the whole Greater Baltimore/DC corridor, there was only 1 (as in ONE) Milan HB and that was at Safford as a Used (excuse me, "pre-owned") car.
Meanwhile, Mercury is HEAVILY ADVERTISING that precise car model on TV and on many web sites. To get buyer interest, I suppose. But then they have NO cars!
How can an American manufacturer compete with Toyota or Honda (or fill-in the blank_______ ) by advertising cars that they cannot provide!
We have been Mercury owners for the last 20 years. We wanted a Mercury Milan HB. But too bad for us. Too bad for other Mercury customers. Too bad for the Mercury Division. Great news for Toyota, Honda, et al ("Don't worry guys! Us foreign brands can take up the slack!").
You noted that Mercury is heavily advertising, but I don't see much stock in online inventories... but I do see plenty of Fusion hybrids around in that area.
I'm not advocating for Apple Ford other than mentioning that I bought from them once before... I did not buy from them this time because another dealer closer to me beat their price. If they really are inept as you say, I guess they might not have a L-M dealership for long, who knows?
As for TV ads, I have seen them as late as a couple of days ago on the various cable news networks and I assume that they are on other networks. Good ads by the way, but where are the cars??!! Maybe they are plentiful outside of the Mid-Atlantic area, I don't know.
As for Apple Ford-Lincoln-Mercury, their lots are packed with vehicles. A lot of trucks, alot of SUVs, and some Fords (including a $50K-plus Shelby Mustang) and a few Lincolns. But very few, if any, Mercurys. I hope they sell them all, but carrying a representative inventory of Mercurys would be nice, also..
As I said, other F-L-M dealers in the Baltimore Washington corridor also have very few Milans (mostly 4 cyl).
But if this is the case, nationwide, then I am puzzled by FoMoCo's behavior. I hope that Mercury is not being phased out like Oldsmobile was , and now Pontiac.
The priority for Ford right now is Ford, Lincoln, then Mercury. They are still in the process of getting the Ford brand where they want it - the new Fiesta, Transit Connect and Explorer plus the new Focus should just about finish phase 1. Then it's on to Lincoln. Mercury will no longer be badge engineered Fords - they'll either be unique vehicles not offered by Ford or Lincoln or they'll go away like Oldsmobile. Ford hasn't decided - they're just waiting to see what happens with Ford, Lincoln and the market. The only reason Mercury exists today is to add volume to the Lincoln/Mercury dealers. The plan is for Lincoln to stand on its own (or be combined with Ford). That leaves a lot of options open for Mercury but it's not the priority right now.
You also have to consider that Hermosillo is production constrained and cannot produce more than 300,000 or so vehicles - that includes the Fusion, Milan and MKZ. If you consider they also export vehicles to Latin and South America, that means they can't support more than 20k-24K vehicles per month. Fusion is the volume model and they seem to be pricing MKZ to be high profit/lower volume. That leaves Mercury with a very small slice of the pie and as I said before - it's not the priority.
Vehicle is fully loaded with all features including Nav, Sync System, Sunroom, Leather. Vehicle has 4200 miles.
Do not have any pics but I think you all know what they look like. Not a single scratch, blemish or otherwise. Wonderful vehicle but just decided to go in a different direction.
Would sell at 27K. Anyone interested?
I would assume given Ford's green seating materials, it would be wicker furniture and reclaimed cotton stuffing.
I guess considering all the hype of how well a Camry is, with the high rankings, and so many of them sold, I expected more than what is actually is. It is a good car, don't get me wrong, but after just sitting in the Fusion, and how well its laid out, how well everything fit together, and most important, how comfortable it was to sit in, my Camry just seems like less of a car. I noticed today, after 29400 miles the dash has a vibration, and I am hearing one from the head liner as well. I don't know what it is yet, but its was surely annoying to hear, so I cranked up the radio.
Curious to see how well the Fusion fares after the first model year has been out 12 months.
Also, I found out my wife was placing the climate control on 60F at that time. I figured this out when she was bragging on how efficient the A/C is, even on 100F+ days. Recently she leaves it on 70-73F and she is reporting 43-45 mpg on city trips.
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