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Then, after some time, while contemplating seriously the prospects of owning and driving the car for every day purposes.. practical considerations invariably set in and the result.. they kind of crash the good feelings. Pretty soon, the emotional attachments I just moments before had for the car, slowly yet promptly, and I truly feel sorry about this, it's just that my joyful anticipation and excitement for the car has dwindled to a sad disappointment. I realize, I can't buy this car.
Although I admire Chevy's effort and I want them to succeed, I fear, they got it wrong on this one if they think it'll be bought on mass like the old school Camaro. I can't help but think that they should know better. I'm sure this Camaro will sell well to those who want the car for their collection; as it certainly will go down as a classic piece of art. Reality however, is that, just like 2010 Challenger and Shelby GT500, this Camaro wont be bought by most reasonable folks in the market for an affordable yet practical and fun 8cyl muscle 4 seater. And perhaps, I hope, that is what may have been intended.
The 2010 Mustang GT just makes far more sense. And I really believe, not just for macho wanna be tough guys like myself..but I believe it can and does appeal to a wide range of all kinds of people looking for a sensible car to have a bunch of fun in while getting their daily life's tasks done all in a practical way! The Camaro unfortunately, is simply too heavy and visibility poses serious issues for everyday driving. It'll be bought by those who can comfortably afford to buy it, without even test driving the car, for the pleasure of just owning it and, no doubt, the thrill of driving it. And their's nothing wrong with those types of people. It's just that not everyone can do that. Most people buy a car because they need one for everyday in addition to desiring that it be a fun car to drive.
In the next few days, I'll be buying a 2010 Mustang GT. I found its V8 rumble, ever present torque, and smooth clutch/stick engagement irresistible and I was impressed with its handling ability. I was really impressed with this new Mustang's driving experience. That's not easy to do after parking a BMW 335 moments before. Even after driving away from the dealership, in a more refined 335..I felt reassured and even more excited about buying this new Mustang GT. Compared to the 335, this new stang's performance and driving experience is on par and even superior(engine sound) in many but not all respects.
I'm also very proud and happy to say that it'll be my first American car. :shades:
Joseph
San Diego
I don't get it!
I bet you knew how much it's specs (dimensions and weight) before you went to look at it (if you did personally look at it at a dealer) because of "now after a few hours of further net research..I'm absolutely amazed and excited at how much more this car offers!" comment.
I just don't get it. If you thought it was a 'looker' and knew all (or most of its) information, how could you change your mind and complain about its weight?
I hope you do know that for its weight, the 6.2V8 gets better mileage than Dodge's Challenger and Ford's Mustang (with their V8). Also, the 3.6 V6 is rated at 29 MPG on the HWY, which is also better than the V6 on the Dodge or Ford pony cars. How can a 3.6 V6 Camaro NOT be a 'daily' driver?
Any ways, I am with you on the Ford Mustang GT. That's a great alternative for those who don't like the General. :P
I am still debating between the Challenger, Mustang GT and Camaro SS. Good luck.
Bruce Lee (in San Francisco - home of the import lovers). :shades:
Anyway, I got my SS June 5th. I had to order it. I didn't test drive it. I saw the concept car like everyone else in 2006. I tried to keep up with any info that ever got out about the car. I knew the car was a mix of existing, proven technology. I did what I had to do for three years to have the ability to purchase this car, win or lose. Luckily, someone like me can let others know that the car is pretty damn nice. I drive it thru rush hour traffic. I drive it on weekends. I drive it because it's awesome to drive, and I have other vehicles to drive. I would own mine if it was my only vehicle. I hate it for ya cause you sounded pretty jacked about it, if you drove it, you wanted it, just seems like somehow the cards didn't fall in place and now the SS just doesn't measure up....Did they allow you to drive one? Did they even have an SS on the lot? Probably not. They tell you you had to order one? Had to wait for a car? I know that sucks, but that doesn't change the car, just the $hitty way the deals are being handled. The car is worth it if you can wait and you aren't overcharged. But, as I always say, "to each, his own.."
"Who would be stupid enough to pay a 5000$ mark-up. I would just wait a few months. I do not believe anyone needs one that bad."
As they say "One born every minute". Or is it 'every second'?
I am waiting until the second year (2011). I got my money, but I am not in a hurry to spend it, especially at + $5,000 more. :mad:
BL (in san francisco - home of the import buyers) [lower case on purpose]
Two weeks ago, they had only one loaded SS stickered at $36K + $12K markup. It is one of the six being listed at MSRP now.
I will still wait until 2010, sticking to the "never in the first year" lesson.
I was stunned by the car looks, bold, futuristic, with the large wheels, fat tires and everything.
Backward visibility was the dealer killer: anything with that kind of rearward visibility needs a back up camera or back up sensors. With 3 small kids in the house, wife was very accommodating of the idea of a 2-door coupe, but not of how easily the C-pillars could hide 4-year olds. :-)
Otherwise, wonderful effort by GM.
No matter what the "2010" is, it is not a Camaro. I think after GM took a good look at this grotesque new car "someone" said "maybe if we call it a Camaro, someone will buy it." :lemon:
As the former owner of a 2002 Z28, I resent anyone referring to this hideous Russian designed vehicle as a Camaro. :sick:
When Dodge brought the Challenger back it was even better than the original. The Mustang has just gotten better, altho they did produce a few duds during the middle years.
The "2010" may be a better car ... but it's embarrassingly butt ugly! :mad:
The wait was worth it. It took 21/2 months from order to delivery. They are building these car the right way. Ride is quiet and firm. andling is awsome. Mileage on my V-6 is better than expected. 23.7 MPG all around and 28.4 at 80 MPH on Tennessee hills. Everyone wants to see it and the compliments are nice to hear. I go to the store and come out and people are waiting to talk about my experience. Finaly are seeing some on dealer lots. I ordered mine and got the discount (retiree) pricing. Dealer here in Franklin isn't adding any mark up but they sell as fast as they can get them. I absolutely love this car. I have owned over 30 new cars and this one brings a smile to my face everytime I get to drive it. Visibility is a little tight but not a problem. As far as first year jitters? Forget about it. Gm is doing their cars right now. They are building them after working the bugs out unlike previous years, that's what took so long to get this from concept to actual production. The Cadillac STS and CTS and now Camaro and all the new GM models are as good if not better in quality than the imports. I've had my Camaro for 4 days (Red Jewel Tintcoat) like the ruby slippers in the wizard of Oz, beautiful. Standard equipment is quite a value and for under $29000 for the V-6 with Auto and RS and connectivity package. Value is the word that comes to mind. You won't be dissapointed with the Camaro. All the negative comments seem to be from either GM haters or Ford loyalists. I know that when I pass the Mustang their owners are looking at ME.
Growing up my Dad had (and still does, even though it has been sitting in his garage for 10 years) a '66 427/390 Corvette Convertible. When I turned 16 in 1992 I wanted a Camaro so badly. Insurance costs were astronomical & prohibitively expensive (for good reason too, now that I look back), so I bought a 1992 Chevrolet Beretta GT. The car did not age well at all and had a laundry list of problems ranging from a driver's side window that was broken (came iout of the channel & off the track, wouldn't close) and fixed numerous times over the course of 18 months to a camshaft that had to be replaced at 60K miles because the second lobe wore away. One Chevrolet dealer's service department was worse than the next. The day I sold my Beretta was the day I swore off GM & American cars for good. My Beretta made me become a GM hater.
I'm a big import fan. I love BMWs & Porsches. My 2001 Honda Prelude Type SH has 115K miles on it and besides being fun to drive, is still as tight as the day I picked it up. One day I will have to replace my beloved Prelude. I'm a car guy. I've always wanted a RWD car with a V8 & 6-speed manual transmission. The Camaro SS certainly fits the bill. The price point ($35K) almost begs me to forget everything I know & have learned about GM & give the Camaro a serious look when the time comes. Just for comparison purposes, a twin turbo BMW 335i with just a couple options will have a sticker price of almost $50K. I'm a married father of 2 & at this point in my life cannot justify buying a car for myself at that price point.
I'm just here, following the board of new owners, hoping this car helps GM turn a corner. Like I said above, I love the styling, price point, performance, & 6-speed stick. Obviously I'll have to drive the car when the time is right.
Just sitting in the Camaro at the NY Auto Show this past April, I noticed how poor the visibilty is. Do the mirriors compensate for the lack of visibility? Our '07 X3 has some nasty blind spots which I have learned to live with, but it still makes me a nervous wreck when I drive into the city.
I noticed that with the Automatic V8, you get the cylinder deactivation. Will they offer this on the V8 Manual transmission cars?
Again, I'm not here to hate or troll. I'm looking forward to hearing about some great experiences with one cool car - the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro.
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I was very impressed. Even the 1LT was a head turner on the streets of Atlanta. I ordered the car in white and will add the black stipe at a later date if it looks like something is missing. Now that the vehicle is standard with parking assist sensors in the rear - that helps. But you better be able to drive with the side mirrors if you are ever going to be completely comfortable in this car.
This replaces the 1971 Camaro that I never should have let go!
parking-assist? cool - i did not know that!
I know what you mean about the reverse-visibility.
I am looking for a 2010 Camaro 2SS in NJ, Automatic w/sun roof. If anyone made a deal, please share.
v8tennessee dude, sorry to hear of the "restructuring" or whatever corporate-speak resulted in your layoff. Been there done that this year. It was the toughest time in 32 years finding a development eng job. There were lots more in bay area california - probably more CAD job out there too. My sector of tech has been increasingly booming out there, despite all the CA-state-govt finances.
CA is a great place to drive a camaro, trust me!
Just wanted to let everybody know, that I was able to find a deal for a new 2010 2SS Camaro at $1200 under Factory Invoice... I was offered that by my local dealer here in Illinois(I live in Schaumburg 20 miles from Chicago). Two other dealers were at $1000 below Invoice... I'm very happy with my new car and that price paid!
you gave me good advice on my Pontiac GTO.....now I am interested in the Camaro....i hear it is hard to see out of...Parking will be a [non-permissible content removed] in new york city
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I actually haven't been in a new camaro yet but its rear-visibility looks even worse than GTO, which is already somewhat bad!
Also the tall-camaro-doors would make it difficult to hang my arm out the window to show off my gold chains/watch & hairy forearms.
On the bright side those tall camaro doors contain more side-impact protection than GTO doors, which do not meet the 2007 side-impact standards.
Regardless of rear-visibility issues, Camaro remains on my short-list for next-car.
The 300 hp V6 model with bluetooth & manual transmission looks like it provides the bang/buck ratio..
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I live in the Hudson Valley of NYS with a 100 mile roundtrip commute from southern Orange County to White Plains in Westchester that takes me across either Tappan Zee or Bear Mountain crossings. Have dealt with the snow and winter weather issue with my Accord (and an '07 Odyssey, and '99 Maxima before that) with Blizzak WS-60s on the front drive wheels and standard Michelin MXV4HX's on the rear.
My question to you new Camaro owners out there is - what risks, if any, are increased b/c the Camaro is RWD? Do you think a pair of Blizzaks on the rear of the new V-6 Camaro with a manual tranny will render the car pretty much as drivable in the winter under most ordinary conditions as the FWD cars have been with them or is even the V-6 power so off the scale that I should just chuck the whole idea?
I know FWD is better in the snow, but I remember when I had my '84 Camaro (V-6 5 spd. with the F-41 suspension code) in Buffalo and I got by with snow tires. If the difference is marginal, and I can make a Camaro work, I've got $3,500 cash-purchase credit dollars on my GM-Card right now and I'm thinkin' I couldn't touch anything from the imports for close to the price I could get a Camaro 1LT or 2LT V-6 manual.
What say all y'all?
-FS
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i commuted Z28s in all conditions for 10 or 20 new england / upstate NY winters and am considering to do so again especially due to the 300 hp V6's 29 mpg.
4 / four / quatre snow tires is mandatory.
Not "M&S" all-seasons - only ice+snow tires like the blizzaks or similar compounds. Not two snow tires.
the physics of 2 snow tires in back tends to cause the car to swap ends - inappropriate except for stunt-drivers in training (i'm available.)
A somewhat modern option that will hurt your control is on snow automatic transmission.
A MANUAL TRANSMISSION greatly enhances control of any vehicle on snow or ice and eliminates software from the gear-selection process, further enhancing safety.
A very modern option that will further help is the bluetooth option.
84/F41/5-spd, ah the memories.
I think you're right that, with the wrong input, or an inattentive driver, two can be more dangerous than four, and 2 vs. 4 is probably an easier thing with FWD than with RWD, but I believe that a competent attentive driver can easily manage this problem. My only real question in the Camaro scenario is whether the front end will simply snowplow if I put only two snows on the rear.
And yes - I loved my '84. It was only a 2.8L 140 hp 2bbl V-6, but it had heart (and 31 mpg for a 450 mile trip from Buffalo to Long Island) and was, in many ways, a more fun car to drive every day than the '85 Mustang GT that I replaced it with.
Anyway - thanks for the quick response and the advice. :-)
-FS
The Corvette is slightly better in performance and in other areas but the fact that it is about $20,000.00 more than the Camaro places it in a whole different catagory.
Having a back seat like the Camaro has does make this a car useful for more than two people.
I have heard that a Convertible model will be out very soon and this may possibly increase sales even more.
Do I have any of this right? Just wondering if the Camero could experience the same problems with the transmission that some current Corvettes have. Thanks.
So the Camaro can be made into a handling beast that is still a daily driver!
We do have a Pro Charger, long tubes, and a custom program. But she is not putting down insane HP. I can tell you, those guys dropping $10K to $25K for hp gains and doing nothing for the suspension are nuts. right now, our Camaro is the fastest, best handing Camaro on a road coarse with street tires and still a daily driver. So those looking for major hp gains, reduce your hp objective to save some serious $$, and put some of the savings into a quality suspension so your efficiency can jump up big time
Keep me informed what your decision is.
A few years ago, especially outside of USA, 3-series competed with Holden Monaro / Pontiac GTO, a similar car/formula/pony to camaro.
There are people who can make a good argument that 3-series is no more a sports car than Camaro. Let's not go there !
GM Acknowledging there is clunk, lumbering, popping noise in the front of this vehicle is not as they put it "normal operation" and grounds for a safety concern... even escalating to possible recall...hopefully they will step up to the plate being the "NEW GM" they say they are.... Lets us see...
I can make a video and post it if you like, the noise on the pop is so loud, it will scare you.
Sarah, GM Customer Service
I have not had the chance to test drive one yet as we don't have many in the dealerships now...the ones we do have are brand new and they won't let me test drive unless I am a serious buyer of the model I am on the road with....jerks.
Any impressions about interior, ride quality and how the manual tranny is.....why bother witha sports car if you get an automatic?!?!?!?....would be appreciated. I also am not sure of what I should expect to be reasonable market price for a lightly used camaro 2010 or 2011 is. I know what edmunds tells me they are worth, but that doesn't necessarily mean that is what they are going for on the street.
Happy Driving! :shades:
Four distinct generations of the Camaro were developed before production ended in 2002. The nameplate was revived on a concept car that evolved into the fifth-generation Camaro; production started on March 16, 2009.
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