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Can anyone confirm that these exist? That Subaru is not putting moonroofs on all the Limiteds?
Thanks,
tlc
Bob
However, I heard yesterday from my sales guy (who is pretty clued in to Subie happenings) that Subaru is now testing the new CVT in this diesel. So that certainly says to me that this new CVT must be pretty strong.
Bob
I could have mentioned throwing a rod in my 1928 Chevrolet, my first car!
Bob
The diesel-CVT might provide impressive mpg WITH good performance, presuming the rev range of the diesel is large enough to take full advantage of the CVT. I don't remember the diesel's specifications. Perhaps at full throttle that Subaru will sound like one of the new Chicago buses which perform amazingly well.
Bob,
But I was 13 years old when you were born. I actually drove most of those extinct brands like Cord, Packard, Studebaker, Hudson, Willys Overland,etc. I am a Life Member of SAE and ISA (more than 50 years of membership) and my name is on a few automotive patents of more than 50 years ago.
Dave
The oldest vehicle I've ever driven (and the vehicle I learned to drive on) was my uncle's 1941 Chevy stake-bodied farm truck when I was 12. Yup, even mastered double-clutching on that truck.
Bob
6000 to 5600 for horsepower and 4400 to 4000 for torque. That means a lower total reduction ratio is necessary...possibly a necessity for the limits of the CVT pulley diameters.
No road tests of the new 4 w/CVT seem to be available; wonder what the delay is at Edmunds.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1793128
So far no "track" tests yet, but they should be coming soon.
Bob
Cars are almost getting too big again.
The car has grown up, and doesn't seem to have that youthful look and feel like it did. The whole line up has grown up a bit. Even the impreza has lost a bit of youth. That is what really set them apart. They seemed fun and hip, and now they seem to be more like an executive car, sorta boring.
Then again, many companies are doing this too. I would just call it, following the trend.
The new model is going to sell well, very nice! Great attempt. Still the previous model was a sporty looking ride.
If I were replacing my 2005 Outback 3.0R VDC, it would be with the Forester.
CVT was very underwhelming to drive, interesting and I don't mind the premise (no shifting of gears that you feel) but it had a disconcerting shudder when slowing to a stop, like a clunky downshift into 1st in a typical auto.
Definitely feels more truck-ish to drive since it sits higher and just feels more like an appliance than a vehicle with any real engagement of the driver or anything that would encourage you to drive it with any spirit.
Not me. I much prefer the added comfort and features of the Outback, especially the NAVI-equipped 3.6 model (I drove one very briefly Saturday). I can live with the styling, even though it's not great.
Bob
Bob,
Once inside and driving I would probably agree that it is much nicer than the Forester. But how do I get inside the Outback without looking at it?
Perhaps a 2011 (2012?) refinement of the styling will fix it. Subaru seems to have gone back to its early days when I had to make excuses for my used potato sack upholstery...but now it is the exterior.
Now that Toyota has cleaned up styling, their old designers must have needed jobs and found them at Subaru.
Dave
New toyotas look horrible. Toyota venza looks so ugly :sick:
While the ground clearance is the same, the seating position in the Outback it lower. That is what I meant.
I owned an Impreza, currently own a Legacy and my father-in-law has an 09 Forester.
If anyone compares '10 Outback .vs. '10 Forester (latter of which is supposedly the same as '09) it would be good to know if Outback is quieter on roads.
In Oregon we have many freeways that are essentially tar-covered gravel. On those roads, a Lexus 400H is just as noisy inside as my '09 XT., while my '04 Malibu Maxx was unbearably loud.
Bob
Inclimate weather the Legacy will be better because of the AWD. However, it is important to remember AWD does not equal better handling on dry pavement....
New toyotas look horrible. Toyota venza looks so ugly
I was comparing the current Camry to previous models.
I'm trying to judge that & noise vs. the '10 OB CVT, which seems to be geared pretty tall.
By comparison our '05 Matrix XRS (rocket sled) is doing 3000 rpm @ 70mph, my '01 Audi A6 wagon is doing about 2,600-2,700.
I think the large $$ savings of the '09 combined w/ not wanting to buy new technology will steer me to an '09 v. a '10 OB but I'm curious about this.
Thanks,
Jon
I've had to accelerate hard several times in my '09 XT, and in all cases the car simply speeds up - no wheel spin, no smoking tires, no torque steer, no traction hesitations. This proved true for wet, and often on snowy roads (latter had Nokians helping out).
It does help with traction, but it does not automatically make it better then all FWD cars on the road.
AWD is also only as good as the rest of the car placed on top of it. If you have a soft suspension, which creates body roll, you will lose traction. Steering feel / reaction also comes into play.
In my fleet of cars at home, the 05 Mazda6 I have betters my wifes 07 Legacy, by a long shot. Too much body roll always squeals the tires when taking corners hard.
A car like the STi is a bit different because it has a properly tuned suspension.
My point was that until we see a comparo with the Legacy in it against other FWD sedans, we will not know which handles the best. Unless Subaru made substantial improvements in the suspension of the Legacy, I don't think it will be the best handling mid-sizer on the market. The Mazda6 and Altima are currently the best, sans luxury like BMW.
Does a car with best in class horsepower mean it's the fastest? No.
Does a car with best in class horsepower mean it's the least fuel efficient? No.
Does the largest car in it's class mean it's the heaviest? No.
Does a car with AWD mean it handles better then a FWD competitor on dry pavement? No.
Bob
2300rpm@60
2500rpm@65
2700rpm@70
I believe the passenger space is almost identical.
There is one other difference in favor of the Outback (presuming it is as quiet and jolt free as my 2005): The Forester has much more jolting from a bad road surface. I rode as a passenger in the new Forester two days ago and noted that it was not nearly as good a ride as my Outback 3.0R. Also the Forester low front passenger seat is a disappointment. For the small price difference, if you like the styling, the Outback wins.
How does PZEV affect model availability anyway?
If there's a PZEV version of the car, I can't get non-PZEV versions?
And if so, does version mean "Outback" or "Outback 2.5i"?
But I can buy other models with no PZEV version? So what is Subaru trying to do -- make sure a target % of cars sold in PZEV states are PZEV?
Thanks,
tlc
that reassures me that I won't be listening to too much thrashing under the hood at cruising speed, LOL.
Jon
Thanks,
Bob