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I agree with everything you wrote. SE does look better on the outside although I much prefer the interior on the Limited. Like you, as I get older I find that a softer ride is preferable although I'm not quite ready for some pillow-soft land yacht yet. Just something that strikes a good balance of ride and handling. I haven't driven the Sonata yet but I'm hoping it will fit the bill.
Thanks, Hyundai!
Hope I am as lucky when I get mine.
Some reviews say it is a little vague on the highway.
Hope it is as good, if not better than my 06 Sonata.
Some reviews say it is a little vague on the highway.
The first time I drove it to New Jersey I did find the steering to be somewhat "twitchy" at high speeds. In other words I found I had to nudge the wheel to the left and right a bit more than I was used to. But this time I didn't notice it nearly as much. For one thing the weather was much nicer - no rain and the wind was less intense. I'm confident it's something I can easily get used to.
Pretty much. Like all cars it wanders a little at higher speeds and, when it does, you have to compensate with the steering wheel.
The mileage is estimated at 37 city/39 hwy, and at the Auto Show it seemed to have most of the same features as the Limited inside (leather, moonroof, turn signals on mirrors, etc.)
As someone else said, it's not due out until late fall/early winter.
Hybrids until now only did well in the city but not on highways..., so I had been looking at the VW diesel TDI for a long time(Prius, no match for TDI... only good for city).
But now, since Hyundai introduced the new Sonata Hybrid which gets good mileage both in & out of the city, I think my search is over...
It does change on minor grades - that is what it is meant to do.
The splitting type of steel con rod is made of high carbon micro-alloyed steel with no additional heat treatment after hot forging. This con rod blank is forged in one-die mold and later fracture splitted. Unlike the conventional types where the rods and caps are separately forged and machined, this steel split con rod needs no additional rod/cap contact face milling which means a substantial savings in machining cost. Besides, a firm contact between rod and cap improves stiffness and compatibility with other crank-train moving parts - a definite merit in engine performance.
The new G25 due out this late fall from Infiniti will probably list for around 30K and will have some comparable numbers/features. However, also will probably require premium fuel and is also a rear wheel drive auto so not really comparable.
The Buick Regal will be somewhat similarly priced but I think that is probably already an accepted competitior to the Sonata. Even the new Lacrosse could be but to stay in that range the Lacrosse would probably have cloth interior and the 4cyl, 182hp. Really not be comparable equipmentwise.
IMO the comparable list will still be the uplevel mainstay midsize cars like Camry, Accord, Mazda6, Fusion/Milan, Legacy, Altima etc. not entry level luxury cars. But being comparable on paper still doesn't mean people might not cross shop. I certainly would.
Is Acura $3500 better?
I cant tell which one is bigger- I know Sonata specs are larger but minimal.
Also- i drive 25k miles year- which will have better value after 5 years (125k miles)?
Thanks
It could totally be a contender with the TSX for those that don't want to spend the extra cash on the TSX. Personally, the TSX is probably worth the extra cash, but will you notice it driving the Sonata? Most people probably won't, plus you can save some cash. People that are Honda/Acura fans are going to notice that its not.
Though this is a new model, time will tell if its value will hold up well. I am sure it will. But, the Acura is known to hold very well. So if you keep it long term, your Acura will keep longer.
I am very impressed! So awesome for Hyundai to put themselves out there and produce a product with some guts. More than I can say for Honda, when the Accord fell short in terms of style, played it safe. I think they'll have no choice to come out with a bang on a new model.
Still, comparing a TSX and a Sonata is a bit of a stretch, but the Sonata has more of that appeal, I would say more so than the Accord. Family sedan, or entry level luxury sedan. Accord better watch out. I love honda, and I would totally look at this car too! I have 1 year until I am looking again for a new car.
Here's what I didn't like about the TSX comparatively:
1. Ugly interior styling, especially with tech package. Too many prominent, big buttons. Too much emphasis on the cd player. Is it still 1998?
2. Smaller interior
3. Hard to see/read nav screen (especially in sunlight)
4. No push button start
You do get memory seats with the TSX, which is nice.
It's hard to talk about future value since the Hyundai is a brand new car.
I can't seem to find any photos or videos with that color interior. Anybody got a link?
Thanks,
Tuckerdog1
The GM I had only had a 4 spd, so when it dropped down a gear it felt like you were going to pass someone.
Plus in order to claim a decent gas mileage the eng only turns about 1800 RPM at 70. Way out of the horsepower and torque range.
I think I'm going with the black.
Tuckerdog1
are there any red limiteds coming out of the factory yet? i had a deal for one with my dealer, but they recently withdrew the solid price offer on that one, they said because there were none out there to be had.
so i have to renegotiate if one suddenly comes along. sure is annoying, when you think you have a solid deal on a supposedly-existing item and they withdraw the offer.
but in their defense, the contract did say it was only good for 30 days, and that expired the other day.
right now i'm ticked off enough to just wait it out and get a turbo or hybrid once those come out.
anyone else had something similar happen to them?
thanks.
My old 1999 Honda Accord would go over speed bumps as if they were not there. (I know a Lexus can do the same with curbs.) You do notice the road bumps in my new Sonata although they are dampened. I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing. It's just different.
And last night I noticed the little blue lights on all the window switches. that's very nice.
When I test drove midsized cars in February and March I found the Accord to be the most sensitive to road bumps. The softest riding car was the Malibu, then the Camry and then the Sonata. The Fusion, Altima and Accord brought up the rear.
LG portable nav systems get panned on other sites (e.g. Amazon) for assessing a $100 charge for upgrading the map database.
Anyone know how effective LG is (assuming it really is LG) in maintaining their maps? Any insight into the upgrade issue?
Thanks.
SE is a sport tuned Model
Limited is the top Model.
Hyundaiusa.com shows the differences.
I have a hold on a Limited which has more features.
I'd say Hyundai has come a long way indeed.
Even a year ago that would have been considered absurd.
I think that in many ways the TSX is a better car, but it lists--what--something like 7k more comparably equipped?
I'm guessing the hyundai people are psyched. They wanted people to switch from Accord and Camry to their car, but it looks like they're once in a while getting people even higher up the car food chain...
It's more like about $5K difference sticker. But it might be close to $7K actually OTD price. And while the TSX might be a better car, it's also a much smaller car. 3" less leg room and almost 2½" less head room in the front. For us large land mammals, the TSX is a small car. I'd need to go up to the TL to be comfortable, and now you're talking close to $10K more.
As someone that owned a 2005 TL, I can tell you, the Sonata is not as good a car. But it's a lot closer to the TL than the 2007 Camry I owned.
That was the main reason that I didn't get Nav package on mine.
- The Man Button for HVAC needs to go, can't stand it, cheapens the feel of the interior.
- The rotary temp dial needs to go, need a digital readout for temp
- the big round silver control knob on the navi unit for audio seems too cheap and small. Look at Infiniti G knob and button, much nicer.
- Ride was a big improvement over previous Sonata, but Hyndai needs to hire better suspension tuning people here int he States or from European makers, the Sonata seems to jittery and lacked a real planted feel.
- Minor gripe, give me a digital readout of tire pressure, not just a a tire low indicator.
- navi should be another .5-1" bigger.
- leather felt a little cheaper (plasticy) than I would like
- prefer a dual exhaust look on a "top model level" car.
What I liked;
- Navi was repsonsive and crisp
- sound system was impressive, btu a tad muddy at higher volume
- seats were good balance or comfort and support (better for me than the Genesis seats)
Maybe they need a Sonata Ultra or ssomething, that might have the upgrades I mention and add say $2K-$3K to the price tag throw in say 18" wheels as well and HDD navi that might help fill the gap between Sonata and Genesis. I really don't count the Azera to me it is a dead product.
You know how (for most people) Apple products just feel right? You can tell that serious thought went into the design in terms of look and usability. I get the same feeling sitting inside the Sonata.
I believe the comparison with the TSX is warranted and valid. Consider: the Sonata is bigger, better MPG, doesn't require premium fuel, bigger trunk, push button, heated rear. TSX has seat memory and power passenger, but I'd much rather have the push button and better MPG. I sat in my sis's TSX and the Sonata Limited holds its own with its interior. Very high quality feel. Now add in the better warranty + cheaper price..
For any of you guys on the fence..test drive one!
and Acura is the most disappointing brand in my recent memory. just look at their line up. honda really did peak 10-15 years ago. everything was a down hill in last 10-12 years.
if you want to pay a premium for a car, i would look at other premium brand. Regal(insignia) actually drives better than TSX.
Then asked other dealers to match or beat that, one came with 23.2K. Finally, had my local dealer match that price (23.2K). After the document fee (+$200) and college rebate (-$400) it nets to 23K before TTL.
If the current incentives remain (I believe a $1K to dealer) and you have a lot of dealers in the area I would try to play them off each other. I also made clear that I was buying this week.