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Liike I said, Costco throws it in when they sell you tires so it's a very low cost. I have a third car that is 3 years old and soon will need tires and I have to add air to those about once or twice a year. The replacements will be filled with nitrogen certainly not to race but just to avoid having low tires. It seems that just about everybody that likes to make light of nitrogen seems to be a scientist and knows how it just can't be any good but has never tried it themselves.
The fact that dealers try to rip you off by charging an arm and a leg for nitrogen is not proof that it is bogus. Many things they add are just fine it's just that they charge too much for them. If they only charged $3-$4 a tire it wouldn't be an issue.
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$100 for a nitrogen fill! Holy inert gasses batman! I'm gonna open a nitrogen shop, and have an oxygen bar next door for while you wait! :lemon:
Also, going from the big tires on my Grand Cherokee, to the relatively low profiles on my new Fusion, I hardly have to fill them now, when I had to almost monthly on the Cherokee.
I have to say the Sonata looks great. I did not think it was a great handler though. The Accord wins in that area. I am glad to see a company like Hyundai take it to Honda as Honda has been a bit out of touch with what buyers want.
1. Constant loud, hollow metallic ticking noise from inside driver's door.
2. Rattle in console from the plastic around the power ports/usb-ipod port
3. Rattle from upper passenger side dash (not the infamous glove box rattle)
4. Rattle from rear parcel shelf/deck
5. Rattle from front passenger door area
6. Driver's seat "knocks" when weight shifts in it. Moving the seat forward then back again eliminates the knock for a while, then it will come back.
7. Speaker in driver's door has started to vibrate/buzz with certain bass notes or voices (and the bass is only set to +2)
8. Driver's door window frame vibrates/buzzes randomly while driving over certain types of pavement
All of the noises have really taken some of the enjoyment out of the car. Some days I don't even want to drive it. Hopefully the dealer will be able to address a couple of the more severe ones at the first service.
This is my third Hyundai starting in 2005, and I have had no,notta, zerro, problems with any of them. All I have had to do in 5 years is change oil ( dealer does that free for life ) and get one set of tires and front brakes. Great cars.
Thank you Hyundai for making a really great car.
I test drove the 2011 Sonata GL Saturday. I was originally interested in the Limited but the Dealer didn't have one available. We did some high way, some city stop and go and some back roads. Overall I was a little disappointed in the handling of the vehicle. It certainly did not drive or handle as well as it looks. Perhaps the GL is worth the 19+K, But in my opinion not the Limited at 27+K.
But if everybody liked the same vehicle nobody could afford to buy one. so happy motoring everyone
I am also averaging 30mpg in daily driving. Great fuel economy for a 198hp 4-cylinder engine.
This is my third Hyundai starting in 2005, and I have had no,notta, zerro, problems with any of them. All I have had to do in 5 years is change oil ( dealer does that free for life ) and get one set of tires and front brakes. Great cars.
Thank you Hyundai for making a really great car.
Ditto for me with my SE.
So that's 8 places (although I wouldn't count the speaker problem as a "rattle")--which is a lot for a new car, but not close to "dozens". In 35 years of buying new cars (including 2 Hyundais), the most rattles I've ever had on a new car was on a 1992 Sentra that had rattles in 3 places. All were fixed by the dealer.
There are a total of 16 posts in that discussion, but some people posted multiple times. Out of how many 2011 Sonatas sold to date? Maybe 50,000?
Just ignore the ignorant bashers... if they don`t like the Sonata..fine. But what the heck are they doing here!
I also did not use the term "dozens"...that was another poster.
I am kind of hoping that some of the noises go away on their own as the car "settles". In any event, it will not take me too long to put 3,000 miles on the car at which time it will go in for the first service and some of the noises can hopefully be addressed.
Every brand new car I have ever purchased (10 brand new cars over the past 20 or so years) has developed rattles, however this car has developed more in a faster timeframe than any other.
And her is the link to Hyundai 2011 Consumer reviews.
http://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/sonata/2011/consumerreview.html
Rattles do not seem to be a problem by these owners.
That said, I can certainly believe that some folks do have rattles. It happens. That's what the service department and a warranty are about. PIA for sure, but not a catastrophe.
As opposed to you, who doesn't own a Hyundai but loves to post negative spin on them for less than obvious reasons.
As opposed to you, who doesn't own a Hyundai but loves to post negative spin on them for less than obvious reasons."
So the many, many complaints of suspension issues, along with confirmation of this by Consumer Reports and many publications is all to be disregarded because you apparently (and allegedly) didn't have any problems?
Sure, Mr. "please don't say anything remotely critical about Hyundai products even if they're true."
I have no idea what would possess someone to go online and slam a product they haven't purchased. It really falls into the "get a life" category.
I am not in the market for a new car at present, so have not checked into this.
However, I cannot imagine how this could be a bona-fide offer. I would think the execution of this warranty would put a dealer out of business, if not sooner, for sure eventually.
I welcome comments.
What about a non-owner who informs you of the complaints from fellow owners, especially since you allegedly missed the thousands of complaints posted on the Hyundai forums over the suspension ka-thunk issue, even though you insinuate you are well informed.
Backy and others here who are a lot more credible than you can verify the suspension ka-thunk issue as being a major one.
I could post, verbatim, what at least 5 major automotive publications had to state about it, also.
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As far as I know, nothing in most cases, which is what has led to incredible frustration on the part of owners.
http://www.carcomplaints.com/
Curious if they will offer it in a single "sport" package or offer it on multiple trim levels?
How much more will it add to MSRP?
Will it simply be an engine package or will you also get enhanced brakes and suspension to match the extra 70-some-odd horsepower?
Craig
Although Hyundai talked up the performance characteristics of the powerplant, the Sonata 2.0T gets the same suspension as the base Sonata, without any sport enhancements. The company does claim, due to high-strength steel in the body panels, that all Sonata models get better rigidity than all other midsize sedans.
Likewise, the Sonata 2.0T gets saddled with a six-speed automatic, with no option for a manual. The automatic does include a manual shift mode, with paddle shifters on the wheel, but we don't expect it to overcome torque converter slush."
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-31347_7-20001669-270.html
(25 words. I expect you will adhere to that limit yourself on future posts, re the Kizashi etc. )
So this suspension issue was solved in 2008 or earlier and it mostly had to do with 2006 models? What relevance would it have to 2010 and 2011 models?
Do I need to consider that Ford Pintos blew up when rear-ended in the 70s when I go to shop Fusions or Tauruses now?
Give me a break.
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I am new to Edmunds.forums. What is a troll?.. :confuse:
Someone who continually blasts a particular car manufacturer with nothing but 3rd hand or hearsay knowledge of their quality would be this site's version of a troll.
However, when you come here daily for a few months, and see posts under certain names that are over-the-top negative for no apparent reason that can be discerned, it can be puzzling.
You are entitled to your opinion but do you really belive a non Sonata owner who has no intention of purchasing a Sonata will post anything positive. And if he or she has never owned a Sonata how can they knock the car from their own experience.
I can assure you that I will be the first to post a problem if I encouter one with my Sonata just to get Hyundai's attention. Visit the website I posted earlier titled carcomplaints.com and read what real owners have to say.
I have a friend of mine who is a Ford salesman and he posts many negatives on all the Asian Forums. Do you know why?
Was your comment about the Sonata rattling in "dozens of places" extraordinary, or reasonable, based on the facts? I suppose for you, it's not. Others might disagree.
If you feel it is your duty to go around to all the Hyundai/Kia forums and post every bit of negative info you can find that is your right but please indicate that that is your mission in life. I find your comments about as boring as those people stating and restating how many Hyundais they've had and that they have had 0 problems. They have such a vested interest I really don't believe them either.
It would be nice if all of us could discuss what we like or don't like about the cars in a mature manner and with some openmindedness. If it's obvious someone has an agenda, just ignore the posts and they will go away. Sometimes I think the only reason they do it is just stir the pot and see how many suckers they can get to jump in. It isn't necessary that everytime someone posts that they have some kind of problem with the new Sonata that the usual crowd chimes in with "Haven't had any problems with mine" etc, etc, etc. You don't see that on other car forums so it makes me wonder why Sonata owners feel they need to defend their car so much. It's just a car, folks....not your firstborn.
If you look at my post on the Sorento, it was merely citing a New York Times review in Sunday's (yesterday's) paper.
I cited that because the 2011 Sorento is brand new, and I thought it could be useful for prospective buyers to at least be aware of it, especially since Edmund's has not yet reviewed the 2011 Sorento.
None of my own commentary was made - zero.
Kirstie is right. Lets move on and not give credence to those that wish to monopolize a forum with their personal agenda. Mikemartin, say what you have to say then please move on to your next target. Thanks!
Craig
It's curious that you only have an interest in sharing the negative reviews.
The 3 years or 36,000 mile bumper-to-bumper coverage plus 5 years or 100,000 mile engine and transmission coverage on my new Cobalt in itself seems too good to be true.
I'm curious as to whether the dealers have some way of weaseling out of these new longer warranties?
I have also seen the V6 out of a Santa Fe break a cylinder sleeve at 48K, and get a brand new engine at no cost.
Cannot speak for every dealer out there, but the one I deal with has been good with me on the few warranty items I have had in my Hyundai over the years.
You need to read post # 3175,that will give you more to talk about. This sums up Hyundai real good.
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Someone's blowing smoke, because 2006 Sonatas have a lifetime timing chain, not a belt.
The warranty is real. I have a 2006, and haven't spent a penny on it. Only problems were a brake light switch and sun visor spring (fixed free), but if something major ever does break, I have confidence it will be fixed without charge.