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http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2010/02/2011-hyundai-sonata-first-review.h- tml
FWIW...SAAB's naturally aspirated H-engine design remained the same for the Turbo. It was not necessary to beef up the crankshaft or rods - they were the same in both versions.
Can I have your telephone number? Maybe I can call you and you can haggle with my dealer tomorrow...lol...
I do have a few questions, #1 do I have to leave some sort of a deposit and how much is it usually. By all accounts one should never leave dealership without the car or money, so I am reluctant to give money upfront for a car that dealer told me will arrive in 6 weeks (another dealer told me 15 weeks)
Do I have to sign a contract? Can I walk away from the deal?
I also read that dealers are far less interested in haggling for a car that is not on the lot, I was wondering if that is the case.
Can someone please give me all the ins and outs of the process.
Once it appeared in their inventory, indicating it was shipping soon, they redid the paperwork with the actual VIN number. To this point, they have not cashed my down payment check. I can cancel the deal at anytime, since I do not yet have my car.
One interesting note -- the dealer said nearly all the cars (SEs at least) coming out of Alabama seem to be silver. Any of the other color SEs are actually being imported from Korea. Of course that could change over time, but that's the current state of affairs according to him. That's the running joke amongst dealders looking to trade for other color SEs -- they all have seem to have only silver.
The power is good. Not as good as my wife's 2000 V6 Solara, but definately better than any other 4 Cyl. that I've driven and close to some of the V6's we drove. The handling is very good. Road noise is good, but not great. It's leaps and bounds better than my 2001 Altima was. I'm very happy with the gas mileage. I drive 25% city during the week and 75% interstate. I'm averaging around 30 mpg right now. I'm satisfied with that. I think the only way you will get the 35 mpg is to drive around 60 mph on a fairly flat road. I'm in the foothills of NC, so there are no flat roads. I look forward to getting in the car after work. I love the USB connection for my MP3 files. The only thing that is a little annoying is the fact that it takes about 4-5 minutes when I get in the car for the phonebook on my cell phone to download to the car before I can use the bluetooth. This is the first time I've ever had bluetooth in a car, so I don't know if this is a normal thing or not. Overall I'm extremely happy with the car.
I also just got my 2011 Sonata SE and love it as well - it is an amazing car. I have not had a chance to set the bluetooth up yet but I will read over the manual and find out, I am sure there is a way to have it store the contacts or something. I can tell you that I have driven a 2009 Malibu with Bluetooth, and with that you have to manual set all names/numbers into the car or dial them directly from the contacts list on your phone, which is tedious and defeats the purpose of hands-free.
For anyone interested I uploaded some photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/47676250@N05/sets/72157623473314312/
Nice pics. Black on black looks great. What brand tires do you get on the SE? Are they the low mileage V rated performance type? (i.e., 260 A A)
BTW, a real Italian would have included an engine photo?
The tires are Hankook Optimo rather V (149mph)
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It is a great car. I paid $3,725 as my down payment. I am doing 15,000 miles annually on the lease. My monthly payments are only $159 (including tax).
I am very happy with the vehicle I purchased. I love the bluetooth and IPOD connectivity. I also really enjoy the look, feel and comfort of the power seat (the lumbar support is great).
I am not happy about the buying experience. I could never recommend that Hyundai dealership to anyone, they were very deceiving and I caught them in several lies.
Please let me know if you have any questions, I'll monitor this thread.
I currently own a 2003 Infiniti G35, and believe it or not, I am considering replacing it with a 2011 Sonata Limited. The car has ample pick up for a 4 cylinder. During my test drive, I had the opportunity to merge onto a highway ramp from a rolling right turn. The Sonata accelerated smoothly to about 65 MPH. While it's no match for my G35, the 4 cylinder will not stop me from buying. This was my biggest concern.
Before I purchase, I need to listen to the stereo in the Limited with Nav. There are some of them out there, but they are pretty scarce at the moment. The other thing I want to see is a camel interior in a Limited. The reason I haven't found one, is that the camel interior is not available yet. (Coming soon I am told). The manager at the Hyundai dealer says that the wood trim in the Limiteds with the camel interior will be a cherry tone. So far all of the internet pix show the same piano black that comes in the Gray and Black interiors. I think all of these photos are of Korean cars, or pre-production.
I'd appreciate if anyone can confirm the wood color.
how were u able 2 get such a low lease price? most here in florida are showing $199@month. was it because of the large down payment?
Hankook Performance tires . The Hankook Optimo H431 . The H431 is considered a Grand Touring All-Season tire that is M+S rated. It comes with a UTQG (Uniform Tire Quality Grade) of 480 (treadwear) / A (traction) / A (temperature). 225/45R18 with 18" silver alloy wheels
info is from...
Nicholas Tufo
Coordinator
Quality & Service Team
Hankook Tire America Corp.
1450 Valley Rd, Wayne,NJ 07470
Tel : 1-800-HANKOOK (426-5665) X 616
Fax : 973.633.0028
email : ntufo@hankooktireusa.com
Excellent post w/ detailed info. Tires are $187 each + shipping on tirerack.com and they are a new model (or perhaps a new OEM tire just for the SE). Specs are better than i expected.
Great deal on the lease, $50 over invoice including $500 loyalty cash (we leased a 2010 Genesis in November).
We did have to wait a week to get it shipped from something they referred to as 'port'. Don't know what that is because the origin on the sticker was clearly Alabama.
I'm not a fan of making a downpayment on a lease so I work on getting a good selling price. Here is my info:
MSRP: $28,250
Selling Price: $25,618
Ad & Acq fees: $837
Lease: 36mths/12k - $345/mth
I will be brutally honest.
***Disclaimer - I do NOT know if Hyundai fixed the suspension Kthunk issue as the test drive near the dealer had all very smooth roads. I tried to find a bumpy or rough road but there simply were none.
The exterior design is the best feature of the new Sonata but, as most things in life, there is a trade-off for that: a smaller backseat than the 2010 model.
The interior looks very nice, but I found the door panel, door handle (interior) and some of the plastics and switchgear disappointing - but not necessarily in comparison to other cars in its price range; rather, in comparison to the 2010 model.
I find that in the effort to reduce weight and manufacturing costs, Hyundai and almost all other brands (Toyota and Chrysler especially) are really using light weight, flimsy and sometimes very tacky materials for things like door pulls and console trim (can we please stop getting faux aluminum that is really poorly painted and cheap feeling plastic?).
The 2011 Hyundai drove nicely, but not so much better than the 2010 version that it is noteworthy, IMO. The transmission had an annoying tendency to hang on too long before downshifting, and this is probably geared this way in the interest of fuel economy. Road noise was actually worse than the 2010 version, and the suspension was somewhat tauter with better damping.
I did very much like the instruments and background and ambient lighting. Kudos to Hyundai for hitting the mark on color choices in this area.
I found the main control for the heating/cooling gimicky.
As with the Volkswagen CC, rear headroom suffers in the 2011 model. That's the price to be paid for the swoopy roof.
The engine noise seemed well supressed and the engine note pleasant for a 4 banger.
In summary, I would not pay MSRP or even a slightly discounted amount for this Sonata as I feel that once the novelty wears off, Hyundai will need to resort to higher subsidies and incentives in this most competitive of all car segments, especially at a time when many new models are going to be rolling out from competitors.
This is only my opinion. The 2011 Hyundai is not a major, but rather an incremental, leap forward. The biggest pluses are the exterior design, the bump in horsepower using the 4 cylinder, the fuel economy (if EPA estimates turn out to be remotely close)
If one likes a soft, quiet ride, the last generation actually might be a better fit. If one likes a more tied down, firmly damped suspension, with a sleek exterior, the 2011 makes the 2010 version dowdy by comparison.
Finally, and this is not Hyundai specific, but I am very disappointed with the quality of interior bits, pieces, controls and switchgear in almost all newer cars, from Toyota to Mercedes. I find that mid-90's era Honda and Toyotas, mid-80's era Mercedes and BMWs, and early 2000 Lexus' and absolutely shame their more modern offspring in this regard.
I also find the color of the interior makes a difference. To me the all-black interior looks cheap on the Sonata, especially with the SE's black metal-grain trim and cloth inserts. But take the camel interior with (I think) nicer cloth, or leather, and woodgrain trim to dress things up a bit, and it's easier to forget that most of the plastic surfaces are hard to the touch. Besides, we almost never touch those hard plastic pieces except when we're test driving the car.
I was over at my local Hyundai dealer looking for a used car yesterday because our 2007 Sonata might be totaled by the insurance company (hit in the rear last week). A 60-ish woman was drooling over the pearl white SE on the showfloor. I told her, "You'd look good in that." She said, "I know!". Don't know if she bought it though. That is the only 2011 my local dealer has right now. They are not having any problems selling them despite a $599 window sticker for paint protection etc. (Ah, those memories of Honda and Toyota in the '80s and '90s.)
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Purchase price of Hyundai Sonata 2011 Limited by tripig
Feb 20, 2010 (6:46 pm)
Just took home a 2011 Sonata Limited for 1000 under invoice from Rosen Hyundai in suburban Chicago. Very easy to deal with. Fantastic car! You won't be disappointed!
Please post MSRP and Price paid before Tax lic title and doc.
That forum thread has a guy that posted pics of a pacific pearl sonata. Says it looks black from a distance.
When purchasing my current car, I almost didn't even try Hyundai. For this next purchase the 2011 Sonata would have been the only choice. However, with the few option packages offered, I guess I'll also look at Honda, Toyota, etc.
So you think the Accord is better re availability of a moonroof, because you have to buy the highest level trim, EX, before you can even get a moonroof? :confuse: At least a moonroof is available in the SE. And standard on the highest-level trim, the Limited--kinda like the standard moonroof on the Accord EX.
On the Camry, you can't get a moonroof on the base trim but can get one on the LE and higher trims. You can probably get a real good deal on a 2010 Camry right now.
I live in OH and talked to a dealer in Indiana (125 miles away). I asked how he could advertise online at between 1500-2000 off MSRP on new 2011 Sonatas. We all know that is below invoice. He said there is dealer cash on the new models to sell ASAP and generate free buzz when the cars hit the streets. Seems to be working although some dealers are not willing to budge from MSRP (this week). I am waiting until mid-March for the new model furor to settle and for a few more "new car test drives" to post. Consumer Reports has a GLS review online already.
I think waiting longer will be better. All the test drives/reviews from the press and auto writers should be out next week and they should generate some demand. Plus, you'll be heading into the spring selling season(traditionally best), plus the auto shows have created buzz as well. Just saying I don't think you'll see great deals till fall.
The 2004 Sonata GLS was $18500 MSRP or so, the mid-level Sonata is now $23,450, so they definitely did some price adjustments.
Which new models are you referring to? Haven't heard of any major redesigns coming up soon.
The 2011 Hyundai is not a major, but rather an incremental, leap forward.
Complete exterior, interior, drivetrain redo. Top (non-turbo) I4 hp in class, top mpg in class, top safety rating in class, second best 3yr residual value in class and possibly a I4 turbo coming that may have more than 250hp and still get around the same mpg numbers. Compared to what everyone else has done(is doing) it seems a pretty major leap.
the fuel economy (if EPA estimates turn out to be remotely close)
Name one 2008 or newer car that a fairly conservative driver can't meet or beat the current EPA numbers with.
A car that sold for $18500 in 2004 would cost $21,200 today adjusted for inflation. But the 2011 SE has much more on it than that 2004 Sonata, e.g. six airbags, ESC, 200 hp engine, 6AT with paddle shifters, 18" alloys, Bluetooth, sport-tuned suspension, etc. More interior room also. Not bad for about $2200 more than in 2004.
Unless it's a part of the car that i touch (controls, steering wheel), then it doesn't really bother me if something is hard or soft or feels cheap. As long as it doesn't look cheap then I'm good to go.