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Why would honda place this model so close to the TSX pricing?
Just speaking in terms of pricing. Why get an Accord when you can get the TSX. Be in another category. I love the Accord. I am a Honda fan, but with the kind of price tag, I'll be looking or waiting for the price to fall. ha!
You are still under warranty. Rather than spend the time looking for rattles, take your car to the dealer and have them do it.
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Love the car. I had Hondas since 1988 and made the mistake of switching to Saab 9-5. Recently was able to find a taker on that car and convert back to Honda.
33 mpg's is the best I saw with my 08 V6 and repeated on several tanks driving the same speeds you mentioned which I find really impressive for a car this size. I haven't driven any extended interstate trips with my2010 V-6 yet. Best I've seen so far with 70% hwy balance rural to stop and go is 28 mpg's, again no complaints with that type of fuel economy. Road noise in my 2010 is such that above 45 mph the bluetooth HandsFreeLink is not useable. I speak commands that at lower speeds are responded to as expected, but above 45 after several attempts I find myself driving down the road frustrated by it's inability to correctly dial the numbers I'm asking it to. Any feedback from others on this feature?
I also observed other issues. I recently bought the car . It has 500 mil. There is a small vibration or shift while closing the doors from wide open. When i start the car early in the morning, it runs at higher rpm. I can hear loud noise and feel vibrations if i put the car into reverse at this point. There is also small noise from the AC fan at the beginning.
Not sure if these are any new issues with the car. It might be the way car is designed and built. Although it does not feel as agile as my old 2001 v6 Sonata. But it is more comfortable, sure footed and secured. It really feels like sitting in a shell. I really liked the black interior. Please update us if you are able to fix these rattles with the dealer.
So, does your wife use lotion on her arms? There may be a chemical in the lotion that is discoloring the panels. I had a friend that left a whitish discoloration on my truck, It did come off with an auto interior cleaner.
Mrbill
Depending on commute, that's actually fairly likely. I always drive into the sun (I work ENE of my home) so my front dash sees a lot more sun than the rear shelf.
Just wanted to pass along some information I was told last night when I dropped off my 2010 Accord V6 Sedan. There was apparently a Honda Service Bulletin that covers replacement of front brakes. Then I was told that my rear brakes were close to shot and those need to be replaced. The odd part about the rears is that there was also a Honda Service Bulletin that addressed the replacement at no cost to the owner. This is no longer in place due to the fact that there was a Class Action lawsuit that Honda must have lost. Now I can submit a duplicate copy of my receipt to the law firm overseeing the disbursement of funds to Accord/Honda owners and I might get 50% back.
Just wanted to share this so you can bring this up next time you are talking to or standing in front of your local Honda Service Dept. This is all I know as I am waiting to pick my car up from the dealership today. I thought the strong vibrations were related to Variable Cylinder Management but my dealership is having me address the brakes at this point; implying that there really isn't a problem with th VCM. We'll see and I'll try to update this post when I feel I have more info or road time after getting both the front and rear brakes replaced my 12,000 mile Accord.
Philly Mike
I think the 2007 Accord was the pinnacle for the Accord, and both quality & features have been going steadily downhill since then.
As far as the mechanical bits go, Honda seems to be hanging on to old technology much longer than they did in the past, like the antiquated 5-speed auto transmission and the addition of VCM (shudder) to the V6 to slightly improve the gas mileage.
For sure, the next time I get the desire for a new vehicle, the Honda dealer will NOT be the first stop I make.
My bad.
You may also want to do a Google search on the 3000 oil change myth. Many people feel that the 3K/3 month oil change is wasteful and unnecessary, especially with today's cars.
1) When clicking on the remote twice to lock the car, the horn sounds. However, in the manual it says I should hear a 'beep' Does anyone's car 'beep' instead of a loud horn, like the Acura.
2) Did anyone else notice a small hole in the plastic above the rear seat between the middle and driver side latch tethers. It looks odd and out of place and serves no purpose.
3) It seems dark in the cabin at night even with the dash lights turned up all the way. I am used to my Acura which has the blue lights and higher intensity dash lights.
4) Is there concern over the Service Bulletin for the brakes.
Thanks for your comments.
2) Did anyone else notice a small hole in the plastic above the rear seat between the middle and driver side latch tethers. It looks odd and out of place and serves no purpose. It is part of the Active Noise Cancellation system, I believe I've read that here.
3) It seems dark in the cabin at night even with the dash lights turned up all the way. I am used to my Acura which has the blue lights and higher intensity dash lights. Don't know what to tell ya. Check another Accord on the lot if you suspect something wrong.
Yes, it's dark inside at night, especially with a black interior.
1. Very poor ride quality where every little imperfection on the road carries through to the passengers,
2. Bad transmission that is constantly searching for the right gear,
3. My teenage daughter, for whom this was purchased, commented that the 99 Odyssey has much better accelaration from a stop than the Accord,
4. VCM is a gimmick we can do without - causes some shudder to go with the bad transmission and ride quality - if Toyotas can deliver better mileage without VCM then why does Honda thrust VCM on us.
We turned in a 93 Mercury Villager under the clunkers program and bought this vehicle - we collectively feel that offered a better ride than this Accord. I have owned a Honda vehicle for 24 years now, starting with the 86 Acura Integra and, with the 08 Accord, I think I need to close the door on this brand.
86 Integra: Timing belt blew at 50K miles causing $ 2K in damages; transmission blew at 90K miles, paint lost lustre (even though kept in a garage)
99 Odyssey: Currently at 117K miles, various problems are surfacing now, including front engine mount replacement, catalytic converter replacement, rear shocks, etc. Drove noisier than the Villager when we owned 2 minivans.
Got enamored by Consumer Report and other ratings and thought the Accord would be a better experience - when I drive at 70 on a highway, my Odyssey barely register 2K RPM, the Accord is at 2.5K RPM - both give me nearly the same mileage on the highway. High time we stopped having this infatuation for the Honda brand - the new Hyundai Sonata would anyday be a better bet.
Also, does anyone know how good are the OE tires in the snow? They are Dunlop SP Sport 7000 A/S tires. Reviews on Tire Rack aren't terribly encouraging. I live in southeast Wisconsin, so we can have pretty nasty winters up here. I'd rather not get a separate set of winter tires since I don't have space to store the other four tires in the meantime (although a friend with a garage offered to store them on my behalf), so I'm thinking about possibly getting a set of Nokian WR-G2 tires.
Anyhow, I realize there are probably other forums for discussing tires and what not, but I'm hoping I can get some feedback on the Dunlops on this car. Thanks!
Here's the link: HandA accessories
Tire Rack will probably give you the best info on the tires. And yes, there is a forum for tires and wheels. You might ask your question over there if you don't get any responses here. The link is Honda Accord Tires and Wheels
Over-revs? It's going beyond redline?
Over-revs? It's going beyond redline?
I agree with the grad: If your descriptions of the problems with your Accord are actually true, your Accord is seriously broken. Our 2010 V6/VCM Accord has fantastic accelleration--MUCH better than the 2008 Civic Si, a supposed hot rod--that we traded in for the Accord.
As far as the suspension is concerned, stiffness has been an Accord trait for many years. For me it is like getting a Sport Suspension for free. I love how our Accord rides and handles, as it's almost like a sports car. It sounds to me like a Camry (not the SE model) or a Buick may have a suspension to your liking. Personally I hate both as they ride like old Lincolns & Cadillacs IMHO. Ha, ha!
My Accord is a year old and has done 13K unsatisfactory miles - have been to 2 dealers.
No I am more in tune with Honda suspensions - my Integra and Odyseey both have/had softer rides so there is something wrong with the Accord.
To me the 6 cyl Accord is like a public speaker with hiccups - even to get it to 30 mph it would rev up to 2K RPM before shifting to the next gear - Corollas and Malibus would sprint ahead
That said Honda engines do require higher revs to be in their prime torque band, be they four or six cylinder engines. Smaller 4 cyl turbo's are usually in their peak torque band by 2,500 RPM. My 2010 Accord V6 needs to be near 5,000 RPM to be at peak torque.
Re: the suspension: if you read lots of the posts both here and on other Accord sites (like Drive Accord) you will find many posts & threads where the stiff suspension is mentioned (positively & negatively). This has been part of the Accord's design (and appeal to some customers, like me) for at least 5-8 years or so. The young guys that buy the Accord Coupe LOVE the suspension, just as the wife and I do.
We owned TWO recent Odysseys, a 2005 and a 2008, and found that while their suspensions were not as firm as the Accord, they were much firmer than the Toyota minivan, which drove like the steering and suspension were almost not there at all.
Obviously, you are unhappy with your Accord, which is sad, as many of us are pleased--at least for the most part. That isn't to say I would run out and buy another one, but ours is also almost a year old and has been totally trouble-free and enjoyable. We get great highway mileage--28-30--and we can't feel the VCM transitions at all. The transmission downshifts harder than I would like when slowing for a red light, but I can live with that. I figure we will keep it for a few more years at least.
Good luck with yours & please do yourself a favor and get it fixed!
...which means it will drop further from the peak power (in this case, the upper 5000s on the tach) with each shift, returning slower acceleration than a vehicle with more gears, allowing for closer ratios and the ability to stay closer to the power peak under hard acceleration.
my Integra and Odyseey both have/had softer rides so there is something wrong with the Accord.
You're comparing ride of 2 an Acura and a van with 10+ year old shocks, yet you assume something wrong with the Accord. Um, whatever; that's very fuzzy logic.
even to get it to 30 mph it would rev up to 2K RPM before shifting to the next gear
Clarify please; what are you wanting your car to rev to before shifting? My V6 Sonata can sometimes shift under 2k if a light acceleration load is called for by my right foot, but when under moderate or heavy acceleration is called for, it may rev to 3-4k RPM, higher depending on how urgently I need to accelerate. The Accord is more powerful than my Sonata, weighs approximately the same, and accelerates with even less effort.