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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Saw that yesterday.

    That's a strong roof! It held more than 4 times the Sienna's weight! And the van is no lightweight.
  • nobonobo Member Posts: 305
    It's good to know that Toyota can build a strong roof. Now they need to get to work making the interior up to previous Sienna quality.
  • victor23victor23 Member Posts: 201
    "So if you do the "internet pricing" and they give you a price, is that their final bottom line price or do you haggle over that price too?"

    Sorry if you don't need the answer any more, but yes, you can haggle, and I saved a couple of grands this month by doing exactly that. Moreover, somewhere I came across a new "dealer's" definition what the "internet price" is: below MSRP but above invoice !?!
  • victor23victor23 Member Posts: 201
    "Time for a re-re-design!! 2012 by any chance??"

    Uh-oh... This forum is NOT about politics...
  • tyyeh0tyyeh0 Member Posts: 43
    Hi DLu,

    We are thinking about getting a limited also. Which dealer did you use for your deal? Also, what was the invoice $? How do you like it so far.

    Tom
  • samnoesamnoe Member Posts: 731
    edited May 2010
    Here is my list of improvements I would like to see in the next update:

    - Improve interior quality
    - Bring back the comfortable 8th passenger seat
    - Move back the interior lamp controls to dash ('04-10), why the heck place it on roof?
    - Hidden rear wiper maybe cute, but almost worthless. Bring back the old one.
    - Auto dimming exterior mirrors even in lower end models, not just on Limited
    - Make power rear liftgate also available on LE/SE
    - Illuminate the glove boxes (Camry is very good).
    - Bring back storage bins in front doors (below armrest)
    - Interior door pull handles similar to highlander, etc.
    - Navigation should be Hard-Drive based.
    - Built-in MP3 player, with a minimum of 20 gb hard drive.
    - Standard Bluetooth is nice, but why limit imports to worthless 20 contacts??
    - Add stowage below the middle row seats, like Chrysler's stow'n'go models features.

    Otherwise, I think it is perfect.

    Anyone to add to this list?
  • nobonobo Member Posts: 305
    edited May 2010
    Nice list, samnoe.

    Here are some of my thoughts to add to your list.

    When removing the second row seats, make the seat bases also easily removed. Leaving the current seat bases behind takes up too much room when cargo room is needed.

    Push button start should be a low cost option, instead of a 4K+ premium pack item. Much lower cost vehicles now have this feature. (IIRC Ford Focus, etc.)

    Lighted arrows in the outside rear view mirrors should be another low cost option, instead of only on the Limited. It is a real safety feature.

    Another plea for better interior construction.

    An option for a darker color interior, in addition to the current light grey and bisque selection.

    Bring back the Blizzard Pearl color for the XLEs.

    Better steering feel. Current van feels disconected from road, almost like driving on ice.

    Quieter engine and cabin.
  • minivanningminivanning Member Posts: 4
    18.3 for me, almost all in the city.
  • victor23victor23 Member Posts: 201
    Samnoe:
    - Hidden rear wiper maybe cute, but almost worthless. Bring back the old one.
    Would you please elaborate, why do you think this is a bad design?

    Nobo:
    Agree about seats. I would say, more than that. Easily retractable (folded down or forward like on 04-10 Siennas) seats make for a very versatile and practical vehicle. If the only way to make room for cargo is to remove the seats altogether, and especially if these seats are heavy and ungainly, and after that one still has to worry about seat bases, well, this is not what minivans are valued for. This may still be a good vehicle, but a different one, not multipurpose and practical. Anything but. Not "everything hauler", just "people hauler". Like my previous Olds Silhouette 1999. Actually, after learning about new seat design, I all but crossed new Sienna out of my future shopping list and will possibly try to stick to my 05 Sienna as long as possible. Or maybe even consider a Chrysler if the company won't go belly-up in a year or two.

    Turn indicators on the sides (mirror or elsewhere) must be standard on all vehicles, like in Europe. Maybe someday they will.

    Now, about "disconnected steering feel", this is debatable. Some people feel better this way, others - another way.
  • tfaw_bigtfaw_big Member Posts: 9
    Just bought a Sienna LTD AWD. I have a few questions.

    Question (1) My Sienna came with run flat tires which I have my doubts about. My specific question is how the run flats will fare in the snow of Chicago 'burbs. On my 2004 Sienna, I simply had an extra tire in the back, because it was just too darn hard to get the little spare from underneath the seat. I'm guessing the tire type matters as much or more than the drive train. So, if anyone has any comments about run flats (these are Firestones but don't know the specific type) working in winter conditions, it would be great to hear from you...

    Question (2) Has anyone purchased the cross bars available from Toyota for the roof rack - wondering if I should go to aftermarket for the cross bars - all I want to do is to put a Thule luggage carrier on top.(side note - pretty hard to believe the LTD does have the cross bars as a standard feature!)

    Question (3) I do want to haul bicycles, but want to use the hitch system. Can anyone offer up ideas on where to go to get this on an after-market, as the Toyota people tell me they don't quite offer this up yet on the 2011.

    Thanks
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Nice list, sam.

    I'd add one and change one slightly:

    1. Bring back the tailgate position for the 3rd row, it disappeared.

    2. Instead of HDD-based, let's see a flash memory based Navi/music server. This is where the tech is headed, moving parts only break later in life so hard drives will go the way of the dinosaur.

    Cost? 32 Gigs of flash memory at Micro Center cost just $60 at retail.

    Better yet - make it portable, so you can load music in the comfort of your own home.

    Heck, let me add #3 to my list: let owners add quarterly map updates using the same portable flash memory for a subscription fee instead of selling outdated sets of DVDs!

    Dealers could perform the same updates at dealerships as well.
  • victor23victor23 Member Posts: 201
    Oh, I agree about HDD. I also thought about it, but forgot to mention in my previous post. I don't, actually, believe moving HDD would become unreliable before becoming obsolete: it works pretty well in laptops and camcorders, However, Flash memory is indeed so much nicer in many respects. And portable too.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Having no moving parts makes flash memory ideal for mobile devices, such as in-car entertainment.

    We have fleets of laptops and we see hard discs crash all the time. At 3 years I'd say a good 20-40% of them fail depending on the model. What are the odds that one in a car will work 10 years from now?
  • samnoesamnoe Member Posts: 731
    edited June 2010
    Flash memory is much more appropriate in a moving vehicle, running into potholes and over bumps. Non moving parts is the way to go. Besides, it is much quieter. In my previous Chrysler T&C, the hard drive was SOOO noisy when thinking, and was thinking a lot - meaning to say it was very slow as well... Flash memory is much better at both - Faster and quieter.

    Someone asked me above:

    "... Hidden rear wiper maybe cute, but almost worthless. Bring back the old one. Would you please elaborate, why do you think this is a bad design?..."

    Here is my answer. Look at the real estate that the older design wiped away, compared to the newer one. It wipes much less space. I admit that the newer design have some advantages, like being easier to clean rear glass, less weight on wiper when heavy snow, etc. But bottom line we need MORE of everything... Not less... (And I am still unsure if it is more complicated to change the hidden rear wiper. Anyone knows?).
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    "..Turn indicators on the sides.."

    But why not on the bottom of the outside mirrors so they could be seen front and back...??

    And "puddle" lights included..?
  • victor23victor23 Member Posts: 201
    Yes, what I meant is, anywhere on the side, including, like you say, on the outside mirrors, or even right on the fender, I don't care. Many Nissan and VW vehicles have these lights on the mirrors, even the relatively low-end ones.

    "Lighted arrows in the outside rear view mirrors" would be better than nothing, though.
  • minimommyminimommy Member Posts: 13
    Dealer says 2011 Sienna has brake override... I know Siennas not part of recall (not even prior model years)... but does anyone know if SUA is fixed in these new Siennas? (Some reports of older Siennas with SUA) It's the only concern keeping me from getting a 2011 Sienna right now... but my other option of 2010 Odyssey I think has too many transmission issues and I don't trust 2011 Ody until it's transmission proven. But unless SUA is fixed, I may have to risk Ody. Thank you.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    You can bet good money that any brake over-ride implemented this quickly will simply be a firmware subroutine incorporated within the engine/transaxle's ECU main control code. So if the SUA is the result of this ECU's instruction execution sequence going into a "deadly embrace" loop or the like nothing will have been accomplished.

    Just like the "virtual", non-functional, brake over-ride in the Sike's Prius.
  • luvmyhondasluvmyhondas Member Posts: 2
    I don't know anyone who does not regret getting the run flat tires. They are expensive to replace and not easy to find. Budget anywhere from $1,000-$1,200 to replace the set. Traction has been okay...but don't get as much snow as you do.

    Good Luck! That's a great looking van.
  • foggy6foggy6 Member Posts: 6
    Just a few words from an owner of three Sienna vans...2004, 2006 and now 2011. For the naysayers about the Nav system, had it on all three, it is always spot on and when you have it on "ETA", rarely if ever is off more than a minute if that. As far as the dash, it works for us and in fact seems to be better than the soft effect what with a German Shepherd that "owns" the vehicle. It is her only choice for travel. The run flats are wonderful, and we live in snow country and travel to upper MI several times a winter to ski, never had a traction problem. Also have run flats on our Corvette, after hitting a deep, wide pothole in norther MI several summers ago on a golf trip at about 75 mph, had we had regular tires on it, I probably won't be here to type this. I'll take run flats any day. As far as safety concerns, I really don't have any with our Toyotas. Wife still drives '97 4Runner Limited, purchased new, she still loves it and we have never had the first problem with it.

    Had a transmission leak on the 2006 van, Toyota put a remanufacured replacement in under warranty and worked flawlessly.

    I believe the media helped undercut Toyota's reputation to better Government Motors. If you checked the papers closely, other companies had problems and continue to have recalls but that didn't get front page coverage.

    Before someone jumps on me about being pro Toyota, I am; however, the American car companies, I believe have finally awaken from their stupor, and are building some much improved vehicles. Remember, we do have an American vehicle, the Corvette, and have had few problems with it... second one in fact.

    We buy the Siennas because no one else offers what we need currently. Are we satisfied with them quality-wise, you bet. Are we satisfied with every little change on the new one, no, but don't ever remember when that wasn't true with a change in any of our vehicles. A lot of time, it is called living with change. Overall, I would highly recommend our Sienna Limited with AWD and run flat tires.

    Sorry for going on but have read all this negativity and had to vent a little on the other side of the equation.
  • victor23victor23 Member Posts: 201
    I have an impression that all new Toyotas have override after this PR scare. Please someone correct me if I am wrong. I agree, however, with wwest (as I too posted somewhere long ago) that there is little point to add one more piece of electronic solution (be it soft- or hardware) to already malfunctioning electronics (you guys don't really believe this fairy tale about mats/pedals, or do you?)

    Having said that, the whole issue of SUA is probably mostly a play of imagination. The brake pedal is very close to the accelerator, and that's probably it. The recent reports of SUA have been proven either hoax or a driver error (as it probably almost always was), and you bet poor workman blames his tools. At the very least, this issue was blown out of proportion, and if I were in your shoes, I myself wouldn't dwell on it. I actually almost bought a Toyota last month (changed my mind for unrelated reasons).
  • melissa_l77melissa_l77 Member Posts: 1
    I bought the Limited and ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!! There has been only one problem.... The front under carriage got caught on a speed bump or one of those stoppers in parking lots. I am very cautious with my Sienna, I was going slowly over speed bump and pulling into parking spot. I heard a small scrape, I stopped, and put it in reverse and slowly backed off. I was already mad, cause I knew that the undercarriage was going to be scraped, which happens. Once parked I got out to see how bad the scrape was, to my amazement at first it wasn't bad. Then I got to the passenger side......AND MY BUMPER WAS HANGING!!! It snapped right off the clips, the foglight was hanging with the parking sensor!! I could totally understand if I was being reckless, but no one else in the Van knew that I had even scraped it, BARELY TOUCHED IT!!! The bumper did snap back on, but left a small scrape where the two meet. The broke off one of the clips on Foglight, so I atleast need a new foglight. Has anyone else had this problem?? Is at $45.000 vehicle really made that cheap?? Why would you have thin plastic as the skid plate?? I'm calling Toyota, but before I did I wanted to know if anyone has had any problems like this. THANKS!!!
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    I can easily buy into the brake vs accelerator pedal "confusion" but NOT the mile after mile minute after minute SUA events, certainly not with the CHP driver and I even give Sikes a great deal of creditability until proven otherwise.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The previous model Limited had those arrows in the mirrors, pretty neat.

    My 07 has puddle lights at the bottom of the door. To be honest I think that's the best place, because the light is close to where you need it.

    They could move it to the mirror but then the door itself would block the light.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    certainly not with the CHP driver and I even give Sikes a great deal of creditability until proven otherwise.

    I'm not sure if you've been keeping up with this story, but here's a quick Cliff's Notes for those who haven't.

    The CHP driver, Saylor, was driving the same Lexus that another person had loaned out and had the mat stick on the accelerator. So that same exact car had mat interference, and remember, this was a rubber mat from a different Lexus model, so it didn't fit properly from the get-go. That other driver reportedly observed the mat getting stuck, yanked it out, and solved the problem himself.

    He reported this to the receptionist at that Toyota dealer, and that's where the dealer failed miserably - that wasn't communicated to anyone who would remove that already-jamming mismatched rubber mat.

    Same exact car (not just model, I mean same VIN). So it's not unlikely, not at all, that the same thing happened to Saylor, in the same exact car.

    Sikes was the porn salesman (I'm not kidding) with the Prius who was bankrupt and was on watch lists in more than one state for financial fraud.

    If you listen to the 911 call, which was recorded, the operator tells him to put the car in nuetral 3 times in a row, and he ignores the command saying he could not do that and drive at the same time.

    Later, in interviews he says he reached down with his hands and pulled up on the accelerator pedal, but a person of his stature would not have arms long enough to reach the pedals in the first place. Plus, how could he not push the shift lever to N, yet he could grab the accelerator pedal while doing 100mph?

    Way too many inconsistencies in that story, plus a financial motive for him to lie.

    I'm not saying every case can be explained, but those two, which got hyped by the media, do not appear to be legit UA complaints.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bernard - that's his name. The guy that drove that same loaner Lexus just before Saylor did.

    So Bernard drove the Lexus, the mat jammed, he removed it which fixed the problem. Then he returned it and complained. Saylor drove the same car, and sadly died when the exact same thing happened to him.

    Sikes, meanwhile, wanted the attention to publicize a web site he owns, adultswinglife.com.

    No, seriously.
  • victor23victor23 Member Posts: 201
    This is going to be my last pondering on UA in this thread, because this is a bit out-of-topic, and we have some threads dedicated particularly to UA.

    I am not very well familiar with all the CHP circumstances, therefore I am ready to concede that this case is a legitimate one. Along with other only 5 or 6 cases which have been considered legitimate (even if not definitively proven) so far. Sikes case has been proven and dismissed as hoax by tech experts, which is, in my view, the most credible piece of opinion of all that we can have now. I don't even need "character assassination", though it by itself kills any vestiges of credibility he might still have.

    BTW, ateixeira, see how you publicise the Sikes' website yourself ;-)

    Having said this, I always had difficulty to fully believe in "mile after mile minute after minute SUA events"; there is something bizarre in it, something not adding up. I understand someone pressed the pedal and suddenly hit a wall, duh. But if it becomes prolonged, I don't know, it seems to me a subconscious reaction of anyone involved would be at least to turn this d-ed ignition off! Even though I know that this is a wrong course of action.

    Now, there is a funny thing. Anecdotal, though, as it is. I've heard or read somewhere pretty recently that there is a statistics of UA reports before and after installation of the brake override, and there was no change whatsoever! I don't remember where and when was it, sorry for that. Neither I remember what vehicle/brand it was, maybe Chrysler? I don't remember also what was the conclusion of the story, but this, again, casts doubt either on the usefulness of override, or, more compelling to me, on the true nature of UA reports.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    "..same Lexus that another person had loaned out (been loaned)..."

    Good, GREAT, "cover" story if Lexus/Toyota wanted to move blame to Saylor....

    So for Bernard has refused to comment...
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    "..before/after..brake override...there was no change.."

    If the engine/transaxle firmware is itself faulty that would be EXACTLY as expected.
  • lonnie4lonnie4 Member Posts: 11
    Went to a Toyota dealer to drive a Sienna. Couldn't afford XLE with leather... and dealer would not come down in price (31,499). Looked at LE with cloth seats..backup camera..xm radio They are asking 28,290 told me he would come down to 28,020 plus give me 5,000 for my 2003 Avalon XLS with 134,000 miles on it. Said I would finance $25,000 that includes tax, platium pkg, undercoating , etc. He also told me I could get 3 month defered payment on my loan. WOuldn't have to make my first payment until Sept. He said this was a one night deal. I walked away politely and told him I had to think first. He asked for my insurance, driver license and I said what for... he said so he could get the paper work going when I decided. I said no, I would call him.

    Should I have made the deal? payments would be 521 per/60 month or
    458 per 66 month.

    Could use your advice.

    Thanks Lonnie
  • nobonobo Member Posts: 305
    Walk, no RUN from this "deal". If you review the last 5 or so pages, you will see buyers getting much better prices.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Anecdotal, though, as it is. I've heard or read somewhere pretty recently that there is a statistics of UA reports before and after installation of the brake override, and there was no change whatsoever!

    Media attention has increased the rate of reports dramatically. IIRC NHTSA experienced a 40% increase in complaints filed with the ODI.

    If there is "no change" now that means the brake override has offset those increases caused by all the attention drawn by the media.

    Anecdotally that would mean the brake override is working fantastically well.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Official San Diego Sheriff's Incident Report...

    http://autos.aol.com/gallery/saylor-crash-report/

    Go to p. 23: Bernard was able to shift to neutral and pull over, engine revving. He lifted the accelerator pedal, which took some force, and it stopped.

    The mat was not attached to the retaining hook - it could not have been, because it was not designed to fit that car.

    You always seem to think you're right, but remember, you were the one who insisted there was no 4 cylinder Sienna, and you turned out to be wrong on that as well. A little humility goes a long way.
  • lonnie4lonnie4 Member Posts: 11
    DO I really need Ext Warrenty? OR Rust Paint Fab? Makes my car payment go up. I just don't trust car dealers. :(
  • nobonobo Member Posts: 305
    No and no. Extended warranty does give peace of mind, and can be purchased from some internet dealers at a reduced price.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    retriever1 got these from the complete price book from Midwest Toyota:
    T3-TOYOTA SIENNA VAN,

    6 YEAR 75,000 MILES $509.00,
    6 YEAR 100,000 MILES $749.00
    6 YEARS 125,000 MILES $1,019.00

    7 YEARS 75,000 MILES $594.00,
    7 YEAR 100,000 MILES $889.00
    7 YEARS 125,000 MILES $1,144.00

    8 YEAR 75,000 MILES $709.00
    8 YEARS 100,000 MILES $1,039.00
    8 YEAR 125,000 MILES $1,399.00

    Some pretty good values in there...
  • victor23victor23 Member Posts: 201
    Actuaries at insurance companies etc know their business pretty well. Therefore, my own approach: buy insurance/warranty/protection plan to cover losses which you absolutely will not be able to deal with by yourself (examples: health insurance, auto liability coverage, homeowner insurance). In other cases, you will be, in all probability, better off not buying it. "In all probability" are the key words here, if you understand what does it mean. I once had a car (Olds) when I got more from ext warranty than paid in premiums, though not much more.

    Concerning dealer offered options, all auto websites give the same advice that other posters gave already: they are either useless (like rust protection) or grossly overpriced.
  • dann80dann80 Member Posts: 18
    Where is this Midwest Toyota dealership located? Is there someone specific to contact to get those warranty prices?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Ask toyfan4, who just purchased from them. Link to the thread:

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f1541e2/106#MSG106
  • toyfan4toyfan4 Member Posts: 3
    edited June 2010
    not sure whether it is okay to post supervisor names here ? but here are store details...try calling 800 number and if you couldn't get same quote then let me know your email id , I can pm you contact details.

    Midwest Toyota
    Midwest Superstore
    1100 east 30th
    Hutchinson, Ks 67502
    800-530-5789
  • rjeokrjeok Member Posts: 7
    I have a 2004 Sienna XLE that has front & rear sonar and laser cruise control. I dodn'twant to get a Sienna limitted to get these options ( I think the garmin nuvi gps is far superior to the Toyota). My question is: can I get a stripped down xle and have the sonar and laser cruise control added by the dealer service dept or other after market installers. Thanks for the help.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    edited June 2010
    Sienna just got added to our list of possible future purchases.

    Drove a rented 2010 (maybe 2011 but 40k miles so probably wasn't) in the Tampa area last week. Initial impression was...Wow, quiet riding, virtually no wind or tire noise.

    So much so that I checked the tire type for future reference. Dunlaps, so the tire quietness was more likely due to no use for tire studs in FL, no "cobbled" up road surfaces as we have here in WA.

    The ability to open/close the rear quarter panel "winglets" from the driver's position in order to purge the HOT cabin atmosphere after the Sienna (Red/beige/cloth) was parked in the hot sun was a definite asset. Probably also an advantage to alleviate the helicopter booming if the middle windows need to be open.

    Drove from Orlando to Tampa, Dunedin, area, spent the week, and then back to Orlando. ~450 miles, 20+ MPG overall, V6, a pleasant surprise.

    Now if the F/awd Sienna could just be purchased with the new I4 with DFI (12:1 CR).

    A/C capability was not quite adequate for the FL heat and took forever to cool the cabin atmosphere and material surfaces down after setting in the how sun. So in a climatic area such as FL I would not recommend the purchase of any color other than white, a highly METALLIC white, with a light interior color.

    NipponDenso HVAC design idiocy continues.
  • nobonobo Member Posts: 305
    AWD with the I-4? You are kidding, right?
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    No, the HL is available that way and only weighes a few pounds +/-

    Give the 187HP I4 the additional HP/Torque with DFI (215..??) and it would have more than enough....

    Besides which my '92 Jeep Cherokee Limited had only 190HP with its I6, weighed a LOT more and served us quite well. Still doing so on a MT cattle and wheat ranch since ~01.
  • typesixtypesix Member Posts: 321
    2nd generation 4 cyl Highlander is not available with AWD, only FWD.
  • gwrace1gwrace1 Member Posts: 24
    I'm currently shopping for our first Toyota. Were getting ready to replace our 15 year old Dodge Grand Caravan.

    Were negotiating for a 2011 Sienna SE in South Pacific Pearl with the following options:

    TO - Towing
    SP - Preferred Package
    WT - Window Tint
    MR - Moon Roof

    MSRP - 34,219.00
    Invoice - 30,824.00

    Any idea what a fair price would be in the Austin, TX area?
    I'm getting quotes back in the 32-33K range.

    Thanks in advance for any input.
  • nobonobo Member Posts: 305
    I would shoot for ~$30,500 area.
  • hellosivahellosiva Member Posts: 3
    I have a similar problem with my 2009 Sienna XLE. I took it to the dealer twice and they still haven't solved the problem. If I leave my van in the garage for a week, the battery is totally dead. The first time I took, the dealer said everything is fine and didn't do anything. The second time, they said battery is bad and changed it. I am taking it this week. I am suspecting the rear dvd navigation unit to be drain.
  • coloradorockscoloradorocks Member Posts: 1
    Really liking the Sienna, but are wanting to purchase the AWD drive model. Here is the issue, we do not like the "run flat" tires as they have poor road life and are expensive to replace.

    We were told that we could fit with normal tires, but there is no place for the spare.

    So my question is..... AWD vs Front Wheel Drive perfomance? We live in Colorado and want the AWD for mountain/ snow driving.

    Any info on driving/ handing performance would be so helpful! Is it worth the tires to have the AWD or vice versa?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It's a tough call...our other car is a Subaru, which has fantastic AWD for the snow, so we weren't worried.

    I got FWD to avoid the run-flats specifically.

    Our van has a bit of trouble climbing steep slopes, the traction control is too intrusive. Hit the Off switch and it's a better (I don't think it turns completely off, just a higher treshold).

    I would consider a dedicated set of snow tires if I got FWD in that area.
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