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#138 of 228 On Our 3rd Inverter-Converter by dnvr_co_john May 12, 2011 (6:33 pm)
Our 2006 HH Limited is now on its 3rd Inverter Converter assembly. The first one failed at 7200 miles as we were driving down from the mountains on I-70 into Denver. We were in the right lane & the Error stated flashing and the vehicle shut down with heavy traffic we had enough speed to get off at an exit. Three weeks ago we were headed up hill accelerating and at just over 40 MPH ther was a loud 'Bang" the Engine shut off and we got over to the shoulder. The VSC, Hybrid & AWD System Failures where all flashing. This time the Engine would restart but the throttle had no affect & shifting into Reverse or Drive did nothing. Luckily we only have 88,900 miles so the Warranty covered it again ($11000 here in CO).
We also had a Power-steering ECU failure (due to corrosion ???) & a mysterious 12V battery failure that were not covered by Warranty. I am trying to convince my wife we need to dump this garbage before we have a failure that is not covered & the repairs are more than the trade-in value.
Note: My HH is fully loaded, name the option and I have it, feel like a SUCKER.
I'm new on this forum and I felt I have missed out on so much on Hybrid education after reading HH postings for about an hour this morning...
My HH just crapped out on me on the highway @~55mph wabbling and then showing VSC and Brake Warning. Had it towed to dealer where they diagnose an HInverter replacement of ~$8500, found replacement part online for <$4000. I called Toyota, opened case#1111291497 and have a case manager (CM) look at my options but came back with no help. I believe Recall Number 11V342000 applied to my repair but CM claims that was only for inverter manufactured in US and mine was in Japan, my VIN is not included. My mileage of ~194250 is not helpful neither. I have logged a complaint with USDOT-NHTSA (My ODI Number is: 10437944
) and I hope all HH owner on this forum have done the same or should log complaints right a way to increase the NOISE to force Toyota to live up to a minimum expectation of accepting responsibility. I'm also looking into having a TV/Radio stations like NPR/CNN/FOX get involved. On a sad note, the dealer offered to give ~$3500 on the HH for another purchase. Your advice on my course of action to repair or JUNK the HH is welcome and appreciated, I'm in a tough financial position.
Regards and good luck to all !!!
That problem should be covered by a recall.
We have a 2007. It is a [non-permissible content removed] car!
I love my 2004 Prius but the HH was and is still
a looser.
You and I in same boat, my 06 Prius with Package 5 is still going at 196k no issue except the water pump and pedal recals I fixed this past November.
How do I stop them from screwing me with the HH? I'm about run out of options
Turned the vehicle off and then on, engine seems to start for about 3 seconds then cuts off and never comes back on. Light sequence starts again. Nothing to do but get it towed. I'm at 74,000 miles, so out of the drive train warranty, but still in the Hybrid warranty. Service tech at local shop put it on a battery check for the start battery and it said it was too low to hold a charge. Lights are very low in the cabine, headlights still seem to show some juice though.
He put another device on the terminals to act as a battery to see if it would start. Engine seems like it wants to kick in, but makes a rather loud rattling sound, then dies. He put the diagnostic leads on the car and it shows multiple failures, including the Hybrid system, but it also shows other failures, so he's thinking it's something other than the Hybrid batteries failing.
Is the above indicative of the inverter failure?
Thanks,
Jeffrey
I would say that you need to get your vehicle to a Toyota dealer and have them replace the inverter and likely the Hybrid ECU. Any other problems are likely caused by a lightning strike! No kidding! Good luck.
When that happens the entire inverter is ruined. You might be able to find out on the internet. There definatley was a TSB that you should be able to find.
First and foremost is finding a shop like D&K that will be honest with you. They could have taken me to the cleaners, but did the right thing.
Vehicle is now at Champion Toyota in South Austin. Looking forward to tomorrow's diagnosis and a serious discussion with the head of the service department. Doesn't hurt that one of their master Hybrid technician's was the coach of my son's soccer team. Will fill y'all in once I talk with them.
Jeffrey
They admitted that they have started to see coils go bad around 90K miles, but not this early (around 75K miles). So are the coils all going to go bad at 90K miles?
Fingers crossed this doesn't happen again!!!!
I just registered on this site and am trying to catch up on this thread.
I bought a '06 Toyota HH a couple months ago with 113k on it. The inverter had been replaced under warranty in 08/10 (83k). Everything was well until the "Check VSC System" and "Check Hybrid System" popped up last w/e. The dealer said that there is no remaining warranty and wanted $550 to diagnose the HV battery. It appears that hybrid system is covered under a 8/100 but the battery is 10/150, maybe. It is a CA car. I spoke to Toyota directly and was told the battery was 10/150 and they were going to FAX me the documentation. She then called me back and said that she had made a mistake and it is not covered (Prius and Camry are, but not the HH). She apologized and said that she would open a case, esculate it, and assist however possible. I am awaiting a call from the case manager.
Anyone have any suggestions?
Thank in advance.
Henry in Santa Barbara
After reading what many of you people have gone through, (and I feel very bad for many of you) I'm definitely going to have to stay away from these Highlander Hybrids. I usually do all my own tooling, but if I have to replace a $10,000 part, it won't matter how much of the labor I do on my own. I won't be able to afford the parts. BTW, I have an 07 Tundra, and an 09 Matrix, and both have been very reliable. Tundra is awful on gas even with the 4.7, but their reliability has been great. Its a shame the Highlander Hybrids have these problems. I appreciate people taking the time to post about their problems. Thank you all for probably saving me some money and time!
I live in North Dakota, very cold winters. My 2008 HiHy has been very reliable in the cold. :shades:
My HH is not on the list which I guess is good. We have not had the problem.
This is something you should check. The people who had the problem had to pay $10,000-15,000 to have it towed and repaired. They eventually got a full or partial refund if they had not sold or junked the car.
serial number/part numbers, let me know. I'll post when I have a resolution. Thanks.
You would think that is it. A month or so later I see something on my garage floor and it is coolant. I take the car in and now they tell me the radiator has a crack in it! I leave with a new radiator at almost $600. Unbelievable. Now I just feel I am driving it into the ground and then replacing it. Another Toyota? Hard to imagine. Could they have damaged the radiator when they had my entire engine apart to fix it when the steel spring "broke" to bits and damaged all of the heads in July/August? That thought would never cross their mind.
Now I am reading about some other item that may go bad -- extremely scary. I hope that part was replaced with the inverter. I, too, am thinking about when I will have to replace the hybrid battery.
I love my car, but this stress and expense is not what I thought I was purchasing with a Toyota.
Right now they have said fix will be between $9500-$10500 - depending on how bad the damage is. They have offered that I pay for the inverter "at cost + 15%", plus labor ($400), plus tax ($513) - then they are offering me a $2500 rebate (I pay and they reimburse me - which I am doubtful about considering the number of complaints I have now seen online about how they don't actually reimburse) - total: $5040 - plus another $800 if the electronic control unit is broken
My case manager contacted the district service and parts manager to come up with this "offer". I am holding out for the entire thing to be taken care of (at the advice of my attorney)...I have put in a complaint with NHTSA and if this is not taken care of by tomorrow, I will complain to BBB and the Attorney General - and if that still doesn't escalate it enough...I will pursue legal action.
I am shocked at the number of people this has happened to (same problem, but outside the recall) and that Toyota is trying to bandaid the situation. And I just gave my endorsement for this vehicle 2 weeks ago to a poor woman about to buy one...I will never endorse Toyota again. An interesting sidenote - all Lexus owners with this problem have had it promptly taken care of - no money out of pocket.
Decided to use highly recommended neigborhood shop intead of dealer for 100,000 oil change, and to replace timing belt. also finally needed replacement front brake pads--first time, 100,000 miles.
After repairs, local shop got the same error message lights---ABS failure, hybrid failure, etc, consistent with inverter failure. they called another toyota dealer who was able to "wipe clean" the ECU and reload it for $200. seems to have fixed problem.
does this make sense to anyone?
I think I was lucky...not stuck on the road, and it only cost $200 for that failure. Is there another failure imminent? should I be worried? this car has been absolutely trouble free until now and I don't want to trade. I have bragging on this car for six years. Comments?
There was a manual procedure to reset the warning lights that would have saved you from taking your HiHy to Mr. T.
I use the steps in the following links and it cleared the warning lights after I did my brakes.
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/highlander/157343-check-vsc-system-after-b- rake-pad/
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/63-toyota-highlander-hybrid/341699-how-reset-c- heck-engine-vsc-warning-lights.html
My car had 107k miles on it - out of warranty - so I towed it to a local mechanic. He read error code POA78. He also pulled up TSB 0386-08 concerning the "Power Inverter Failure." Quoted me a price of $8,500.00!
I called the Toyota dealership, and they asked that I have it towed to them, so they could verify the problem. A few days later, he called me back with semi-good news: Toyota has recalled the "Intelligent Power Supply Module" on these vehicles, and that may fix the problem. He replaced the module free of charge, and it fixed the problem. Thank God for that.
BUT - this recall of the "Intelligent Power Supply Module" is NOT the same issue as the "Power Inverter Failure" noted in TSB 386-08. So, while Toyota has issued a recall to fix one problem, Toyota has not issued a recall to address the issue in TSB 386-08.
This means that while my car works, for now, it has a known defect which is both unsafe and quite costly because my car is out of warranty.
What should I do? Sell the car? I bought the car new with the expectation that I would own it for at least 10-12 years and save a lot of money on gas. If I sell now, I've lost all that potential value - I've essentially leased this car for a huge amount of money.
I suppose I could buy an extended warranty, but that will cost me $2-3k for an extra 24 months of coverage.
My e-mail is b . mira kian @ gmail.com (without any spaces)
Thanks