Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall

imidazol97 · February 2010

>but I wonder how they will apologize out of this one!

Toyota will have people say over and over how much they always have cared about the driver's safety in the toyota automobile. :grin

And there will be posts about how the hysteria is all out of control. :grin

marvin6 · February 2010

No offense taken. Lahood is a very liberal guy - George Bush was a moderate republican. Pork is what gets politicians reelected - take the bacon home! I am not a republican or democrat, but I have learned to "follow the money" to see what the motives are. I don't own a toyota and feel that the way they've been doing business with peoples lives at stake is nothing short of deplorable. To me, however, some obvious questions would be: 1) is this UA a toyota issue alone or are there other manufacturers experiencing the same problem? 2) if there are others, will they be "called on the carpet" or given a pass? 3) is toyota being picked on because they are a foreign owned company competing against 2 american companies whose majority stockholder is the US government (obviously a conflict of interest when the government is primary owner of a company that going after the competition)? 4) is toyota being singled out because they do not have union workers (the unions were a major backer of the democratic party that is charge of two branches of government)?

Making profits more important than human lives is unacceptable. My own belief is that toyota's interest was profit. Period. But the venue taken here leaves me with a suspicion that there are other motives behind the congressional action. My hope is that when this is over that manufacturers (regardless of who they are) do not risk human lives for the sake of profits and that automakers use the technology available to provide the safest vehicles possible for the consumer.

gagrice · February 2010

And pork can be quite good.

I like it as BBQ Ribs and Kalua Pig. Bacon and Sausage too. Pork is all good.

Truth is very few politicians can claim clean hands when it comes to dishing out Pork.

sharonkl · February 2010

LaHood really is Republican. Hope links help. Not what we would assume
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-lahood-profileapr07,0,7542843- .story

Yes, I know wiki - and their issues - but documented political party affiliation is correct
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_LaHood

I did not like the news yesterday. Not good for Toyota. But had wondered what Biller had on Toyota?? 2005 or 2006 Internal memos do substantiate fact Toyota was looking also looking -at ETC and 7 upgrades were already done. Another attorney writes re: ETC - difficult task to correct, if not impossible. This seems to contradict Toyota past/continued stances - no problems electronics???

LaHood -I am wondering also?? Watching.

sharonkl · February 2010

Ha, can you share your ribs with me??? Don't like bacon or sausage.

You are correct - very few politicians.

imidazol97 · February 2010

>Suspicious aren't I?? After Exponent hiring and now today's news Biller's info revealed Toyota withheld from courts, etc - such actions portray ????? corporation.

>What do any of you feel??

I can already hear the money being poured into the campaign funds of senators and representatives in DC and states around the US and of course it's all just in the interest of safety for consumers when they buy cars.

carbuff1171 · February 2010

From the news breaking on Sat 2/26, looks like that is just the tip of the iceberg. But then you weren't really surprised were you?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/congress-blasts-toyota-withholding-key-evidence-se- cret-books/story?id=9957579&page=2

carbuff1171 · February 2010

It is true that this car was not included in the recall. However neither were some Lexus models that, like the Prius, have experienced the acceleration problems even when floor mats were not even in the car. (see 2005 Prius link below) Bottom line is that Toyota has to know there are problems in the electronics of all these cars having symptoms, but find it understandably difficult for them to admit until they understand the cause.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg8QCHIavfY

graphicguy · February 2010

carbuff.....that guy seems a little bit shaky. However, if he has the documents he says he has, and they do indeed prove Toyota believes they are above U.S. Law. then as you state, Recalls, Congressional hearings, etc are only the tip of the iceberg.

We're now talking criminal charges like obstruction of justice.

I'll await the results of his testimony and documents produced regarding the subpoena, though. He's just too, oh I don't know, unstable maybe, to go only on his word.

sharonkl · February 2010

Toyota definitely is not the only manufacturer with problems. The biggest factor leading to where we are now was San Diego accident where CHP officer and his family were all killed. Car was loaner from deaership. Released 911 tape - "pray for us". Crisis took off. Vehicle was a Toyota Lexus - one of those with higher stats. And this time Toyota is in hotseat.

I do not see this as a vendetta towards Toyota. Facts and actions unraveling seem to support many mistakes made by Toyota. Facts of timeline since 2002-2003, etc. reveal multiple questions for all involved addressing UA/SUA. How they disregarded all the deaths and injury complaints when addressing/dealing with/correcting the issue?. And NHTSA is turf protecting as well - they are susposed to be the watchdog safety agency. And the Oversight Committee is doing some turf protection as well. But problems do exist. How serious? - pending.

For me - when they hired Exponent to defend their electronics - was "final straw that broke the camels back" for me. Posted couple of the proven documented facts earlier regarding Exponent. PGE - chromium pollution CA.. I was already aware of Exponent reputation from medical research. I actually was truly pulling for Toyota. Facts that unraveled over the months since August, 2009 were shockingly revealing.

Other manufacturers better clean house too re: UA/SUA. Some crisis could rise and "bite" them too.

marvin6 · February 2010

Perhaps hitting them (toyota) real hard financially will drive the point home not only to toyota, but other manufacturers as well. You buy your politicians and lobbyists then you hope to get what you pay for - protection and profits. It's sad that our country has come to this. This time it is at the cost of human lives. I think this may bring all the automakers into looking out for the consumer, but I am betting it will be shortlived. I hope I'm wrong.

sharonkl · February 2010

Interview wti Biller has already occurred. Lawmaker yesterday publicly accused Toyota of withholding evidence for courts and possible disregard of US laws.

Click on pdf file left hand side - Letter from lawmaker to Toyota - attachments of just few documents.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-biller27-2010feb27,0,4348450.story

Since Biller was managing attorney for Toyota during his tenure with them - think he was probably pretty good & well respected attorney. I too have felt I saw some possible medical issues. I am not sure whether this can be attributed to an existing medical condition cause or pyschological condition cause?? I realize he stated he had breakdown. Medical condition cause can't be r/o'd out though. ????

I have not fully read attachments documents w letter. Do pay particular attention to sections addressing UA/SUA - internal communication between two attorneys re: ETC and upgrades - 2005 or 2006. Lots of documents. Will look at more later.

graphicguy · February 2010

Sharon....When I heard that Toyota hired Exponent, I think we got a glimpse of where they were headed. That is, doing everything within their power to deflect , hide, dismiss the facts. That's what Exponent does (and apparently, not very well as Congress didn't seem too impressed). Further, I thought it was quite telling that Toyota didn't offer up Exponent to answer the engineering questions for them while in front of Congress.

Personally, if I didn't have anything to hide regarding Toyota's electronics/software safety issues, I would have countered Dr Gilbert. If I had nothing to hide, I would have told Congress...

'Ya know, we have some pretty smart people....some really smart engineers who are our employees, too. We've got our own "Dr Gilberts" who work for Toyota. We hire a lot of them to help us with safety issues and to design our vehicles. And, here's what they found out. Here's what they proved in their extensive testing of our electronics/software. These are the reasons they only think it's a floormat and accelerator assembly problem. You should probably let them speak."

Did Toyota do that? Did they let their own internal "Dr Gilberts" refute any of the evidence? Nope! Instead, they got Exponent, who was only hired literally hired a few days before hand. I'm sure, not to get the truth and research out. But, to probably "prep" Lentz, Inaba, Toyoda on what to say, and what not to say. The results are what we all saw and heard.....which wasn't much, except "I don't know"....or the occasional "slip up" (as in Lentz's slip of the tongue that they have a cruise control UA problem, too).

graphicguy · February 2010

Sharon....I just took the time to read through the PDF you pointed us to. WOW!

While, perhaps as a person who does or doesn't come off well in an interview, Biller certainly must have presented the Congressional Oversight Committee with some pretty damning evidence in order for them to try and compel Inaba to turn over documents that Toyota is trying to hide....especially as they're related to the safety of their vehicles.

Plus, there was the "blurb" about 6 or 7 software fixes that Toyota was implementing to perhaps "cure" the UA issue. This, hot on the heels of the Toyota's statements that software was thoroughly invetigated and ruled out as a cause.

This is going into very, very dangerous territory for Toyota....that is criminal areas....obstruction of justice, contempt, and probably some other legal black holes that Toyota definitely doesn't want to be in.

Inaba's response will be very interesting. We'll see if he tries to block handing over these documents. If he does, we'll pretty much know that Toyota is hiding pertinent evidence. And, it will have to be derived via subpoena. Something tells me Lentz, Inaba, and maybe even Toyoda are not finished testifying in front of Congress.

Plus, we don't know what the SEC has turned up yet in their Toyota investigations. Nor do we know what was found in the gov't raids done on Toyota's closest suppliers.

Now I'm wondering if this isn't all going to culminate into a showdown between Toyota and the DOJ.

iluvmysephia1 · February 2010

spells "manufacturers" in post #1816 above.

Perhaps hitting them (toyota) real hard financially will drive the point home not only to toyota, but other manufacturers as well. You buy your politicians and lobbyists then you hope to get what you pay for - protection and profits. It's sad that our country has come to this. This time it is at the cost of human lives. I think this may bring all the automakers into looking out for the consumer, but I am betting it will be shortlived. I hope I'm wrong.

That's also how I spell the word. Why is it that so many people here on Edmunds spell it "manufactures"? Are marvin6 and I missing something here? Is "manufactures" the correct way to spell manufacturers when meaning manufacturers plural, or something?

Looking for English majors here or English nerds to take a break from Toyota's nasty, intense, troubles for just a moment and help me to clear this very important spelling-meaning issue up, please.

sharonkl · February 2010

I have no idea, but news reports indicated heavy political lobbying. Lobbying can be good and bad I think. Just headache time for us citizens making sure "deals" above board. From what I read all auto manufacturers can be difficult to deal with, but then hear Toyota may be one of worst. Well who knows?? I don't. I have tried to go with the facts of long timeline.

Safety agencies seem to be helping bring facts to public. News pressure has been great. Some bad. But some investigative reporters have brought true facts to us and have alerted public what is going on..

Facts do reveal DHTSA and Toyota disregarded SUA complaints of long duration which were ones involving accidents/deaths. These complaints were the worse. Narrowing the scope of investigation What is left to consider? Minor nonserious UA complaints that do not appear serious - just left.

Impression left in our minds - human safety disregarded for benefit of corporation. DHTSA just had only one death listed?? But heat on & then suddenly 34-35 deaths, hundreds of accidents. Where are all of DHTSA documents and Documents defending what mutually agreed to??? Seems no public disclosure that I can find.

UA/SUA could have been addressed and safety system was available at least 10 years ago that could have been installed each and every vehicle of each and every auto manufacturer.. ???

What is sad DHTSA number of complaints does not address full scope of the true number of incident complaints. DHTSA had statd Toyota has many more than they have at their dealerships. Are they turning all over?? Very sad all UA/SUA complaints not addressed and considered. The management approach to not consider the worse which cause deaths/injuries just leaves many questions how/ why this would lead to discovering the true cause??? I am sure enough of us have had professional management experience, and realize the major flaws that exist with this type of approach. Then comes the unproven suspicions. Neither DHTSA or Toyota publicly providing long trail of documented proof to US citizens good substantiated feasible reasons for this type of approach. Sure wish they had/did.

sharonkl · February 2010

Such misspellings usually are just typo errors. I personally am notorious for these types of errors. Since this system blog site has no spelling correction alert system seems these types of errors will be present. I do confess I contribute to the typo errors.

iluvmysephia1 · February 2010

thanks for that reply. I agree, that this is a spelling problem. I'll miss one now and a then, but I'm generally pretty good at spelling. Spelling and English were actually a couple of my favorite subjects in school. I remember a lot of goofy, confused looks on my classmate's faces when punctuation, grammar and spelling principles were being taught to us in school.

I sure do appreciate you being here on this forum and I am enjoying your insights on this most important and troubling late-breaking automotive/safety issue here. Thanks again!

wwest · February 2010

At least not directly.

Much more likely that something is happening that results in "upsetting" the instruction execution sequence of one of the microprocessors in the engine/transaxle control module/system.

Lots of RFI/EMI "wondering" around within the engine compartment and clearly some serious issues to be overcome with the 12 volt supply system.

Driving along on the highway just yesterday I happened to notice as I drove by the area at least 8, EIGHT, cellular telephone antenna systems/towers all with a stone's throw of each other.

stever · February 2010

There is a spell check button at the bottom of the posting box, but it won't find words that are otherwise correctly spelled but for the context.

If y'all need a breather, check out Grammar and the Peeves that Pet It.

sharonkl · February 2010

Thanks. Appreciate. Just passing along information that does seem appropriate for discussion. More fact pieces of the puzzle to fit together.

NOTE - fit Biller's internal Toyota 2005-2006 memos re: ETC fixes into the whole Toyota UA/SUA timeline. Yes, seems a big issue here for Toyota??? Once I saw this I go oh no!!! I do realize this is from the past, but when you fit in into timeline along with other documents then YIKES! Some implications as not addressed/taken care of then.

I found it interesting FBI did raids on Toyota suppliers also. Appears two carry Japanese names. Alarming?? What is going on??? Guess this story has to unravel as well. But something is/may be suspected or has been found??? I realize Japan and US are in negotiations at present, but can't seem to connect to Toyota's present problem re: UA/SUA. Neither do I seem to connect any US government bias to US manufacturers - possibly leading to pressure on Toyota.

So far all I can find is Toyota after the San Diego accident - 911 call released to public by CHP- Lexus loaner with prior UA/SUA customer complaint - Toyota in the hot seat - this is one of their models with UA?SUA problems. Public pressure & US history seem to indicate any of auto manufacturers would have been in hot seat after San Diego accident if their ongoing/recent UA/SUA complaints were higher or history not resolved/existed. And then all that has happened and been revealed as story has unfolded. To me seems to be DHTSA and Toyota in hot seat together. Appears they themselves managed/addressed/fixes mutually agreed to & got themselves into this highly questionable predicament.

And we have no true factual actual numbers of UA/SUA complaints. DHTSA has few, Toyota dealerships have many more, news agencies have picked up more, some not reported, and now more coming out with publicity. DHTSA Data Complaint System is only voluntary. Trends in NHTSA complaints can be analyzed. But headache time attempting to analyze any stats reported with NHTSA numbers only. As for me I am more interested in the last three to four years of how a manufactuerer is doing.

How will dust settle??? Have no idea. Will be watching, as have vested interest, and will have to make my own decisions re: what I will do re: my vehicle.

Not as easy for cover-ups in todays modern technology oriented society. it seems. Documents released publicly travel the internet quickly. And this is good. Helps keep everyone honest. Detrimental document information just keeps drippling out as time has passed. I just go "oh no" each time. Keep hoping - but my patience has run out.

wwest · February 2010

Do you happen to know why ALL automotive engines come from the factory with RESISTIVE spark plugs and for ignition systems other than coil-on-plug the HV wiring is also resistive...??

sharonkl · February 2010

Yes, I'm sure money will come in. But will it really be for safety is question? Somehow safety sites just don't seem to have that much money backing them - do they??? Know auto manufacturrs do and spend millions in lobbying and political donations to candidates.

sharonkl · February 2010

No not me, are you kidding?? Do you hope you can help me here. Am trying to learn.

sharonkl · February 2010

So happy you were not offended. I am registered with a party, but go will most certainly go either direction.

As to your concerns - I just posted a blog of what it seems I have put together so far. I can't connect at present. Also is a reference to why it seems Toyota is in hot seat today and other manufacturers are staying "mum." History of past seemed to help lead me to my present possible impressions. Facts of how it started. etc.

Yes, I too hope all manufacturers clean up their problems. US citizens do not like human lives sacrificed and disregarded/eliminated from considerations to address/act /fix problems for profits of a corporation. .

sharonkl · February 2010

So you are seeing issues too. Exponent is definitely a defense type firm. I would assume Toyota is attempting to get engineering reports, Exponent witnesses to help defend against their lawsuits. May never be public information for expert outsider to analyze and critique. As I said I would have many questions about any reports they produce?? Yes, Toyota could have used Exponent at hearings, but that was in a public arena. Control of information would be lost- maybe reason.

Toyota did try to say they hired Exponent and their reports found no problems. Approached news agencies and tried to convey to public. Sadly report was only basic and seemed to be of no real value. Experts were tearing report apart. This attempted approach by Toyota seemed to fall flat then. Law makers state Toyota did not produce their own engineer reports as they requested. Lawmakers only got Exponent's.

So much conflict seemed to exist at the hearings when comparing testimony. Saw report Toyota retracted Lentz's statement "fixes may not address all the problems." Also saw a news report Toyota will not nationally provide free rental, payment taxi, etc. for inconvenience costs as they seemed to imply at hearings. New York - as agreed with Cuomo they will.. Guess all to unfold - truth re: these two issues. .

Seems like both you and I were hoping for Toyota to give a good honorable approach type testimony at hearings.. Strongly stomp down critical speculation.

dookie84 · February 2010

What's EDR? :confuse:

dookie84 · February 2010

I've been looking at blurbs about Japanese culture. From what I understand, the avoidance of shame is a huge motivator for their behavior. As long as no one thinks you're guilty of wrongdoing, you can avoid feeling shame. A decade of trying to appear innocent has resulted. I hope that someone is feeling ashamed of themselves. Heads should roll - figuratively, not literally.
Any Japanese folks able to weigh in?
Corporate greed, of course, also explains this whole thing.

carbuff1171 · February 2010

Unfortunately you probably just have to wait it out. Adding insult to injury, Toyota is using some of your $55K to squash investigations that would have helped the next guy. For future reference checking the NHTSA database, there is not a single recall on any 2010 Ford SUV models and there is just one across all 2010 GMC/Cadillac/Chevy/Buick SUVs (Equinox/Terrain: dealer fix to avoid the defroster not working properly)

Don't know if you heard Rhonda Smith's testimony to congress. Just like you all she wanted was her money back on her new Lexus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM6hi5R0PNw

Yesterday's news if you did not see it:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2611433620100226

carbuff1171 · February 2010

Here are 3 short paragraphs by Richard Mitchell regarding a part of Japanese culture that seems applicable to yesterday's breaking news on Toyota squashing U.S. investigations.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/y674m082j2662t67/?p=e0636b17646e4836aa99c46d- bb75b166&pi=1

sharonkl · February 2010

You are welcome. Smile - I sort of felt you were the "A" grade student/person. And you are probably a much more proficient and accurate typist than I am.

Actually I didn't have much knowledge about auto mechanics/engineering at all. Just have vested interest from owning a Toyota vehicle. Dug in, researched, etc. My son does do auto development/engineering though and he has helped alot. Many of the blogggers here have been patient and guided me along and have patiently put up with me. They have been wonderful. I have only tried to put all the real factual information together in the many year timeline - as pieces to a puzzle. Analyzing info as I and other coworker peers did professionally in meetings. Applied medical scientific study analysis approach to reports I have read, info with this situation. Does definitely work to discover any faulty aspects that may be present in a report. Engineering technical reports - I am totally lost. Have some insider perspective to corporations. Knowledge of CA corporate codes. Some knowledge of legal issues, lawsuits. Etc.

Words spoken and true documented facts sometimes conflict. Etc, etc, etc. Just keep trying.

wwest · February 2010

In the '50's if you were watching TV and someone started a car up with ~100 feet you lost the sound for sure and maybe, just maybe, you could discern enough of the picture to make sense of it.

Then go back to the early 1900's and radio transmitters (morse code) consisted of high voltage/current spark gaps.

Those Toyota/etc A/C electromagnetic clutches, absent "snubbers", represent modern day versions of those 1900's spark gap radio transmitters.

wwest · February 2010

A decade..??

More like 3 or 4.

Yes, if this current Toyota situation had ocurred back in say, 1948, the Toyota president would have felt "obligated" to commit suicide. That culture is what makes Japanese management so diligent at producing a quality product, "Relentless Pursuit of Perfection, but on the other hand very motivated to avoid public admission of mistakes.

gizzer777 · February 2010

I read somewhere that Toyota and CTS had been working on a new more robust gas pedal (Presumably not the shim fix).

I presume they are using this pedal in the 2011's since production began again a few weeks ago. I also wonder if they are putting Denso pedals in the 2011's at the moment?

I wonder what this is...Anyone know?

gagrice · February 2010

EDR= Event Data Recorder
Many auto makers put them in cars. They give pertinent information on what is going on with the vehicle. Handy in discovery of accidents. Some legal issues like who the data belongs to. Toyota's EDR is very secret. They are the only ones that can download and decipher the data. I don't know of any other automaker that is not an open data source. GM has used them a long time.

The EDR in the 2009 ES350 that experienced UA, and 4 people were killed, was retrieved by the sheriffs office. It supposedly contained no readable data. That of course according to Toyota. I don't think you can believe a single word they say.

carbuff1171 · February 2010

Event Data Recorder - During the hearings they explained that unlike U.S. manufacturers, Toyota encrypts the data in their EDR such that only their proprietary reader can read it. LaHood explained that there is only one "prototype" Toyota EDR reader in the U.S.

If the control computer gets as hosed as some theories suggest, it may be incapable of writing any meaningful data to the EDR, although the last 5 minutes leading up to "the event" would theoretically be there.

carbuff1171 · February 2010

I don't know, but I believe that except for a few isolated examples, the whole gas pedal explanation is a red herring. If you listen to what actually happened to people (like the acceleration started when they tapped the brake, the car kept accelerating with the shifter in reverse, the engine would not shut off...), the gas pedal is irrelevant.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/runaway-toyota-owners-story/story?id=8999481

iluvmysephia1 · February 2010

U.S. lawmakers should intervene in an emergent-type situation like this. Perhaps this Toyota EDR information should be made to be public any time it is deemed to be needed by say...oh, I don't know, the police for instance! Anyone with a job that dictates they search for the truth in regards to the automobile's(or it's driver's) actions in any particular accident. Or SA of some sort, a stray floor mat, an accelerator pedal with a mind of its own. Oh, how complicated this whole coverup...I...I mean investaigation has come to be. Tethered and tattered Toyota has apparently been beaned by a Randy Johnson fastball that tailed up and away. Nice to see RJ finally retired. Enough mlb arrogance has been spun everyone's way from that tiger.

Talk about a high and mightier than other people automaker. I'm really starting to get the creepy-weepy's from these guys.

Or is this a Japanese cultural norm we're dealing with here? I am interested in how this comes out, not because I own a Toyota, but because I own my first Japanese car, a 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS. Kinda makes me a tad suspicious, know what I mean? We've already discussed how Mitsu execs falsified data in an earlier Mitsubishi recall. In some way. Not even to mention their failed idea to give every dork in America who wants a Mitsubishi an instant loan and 0-0-0 payback package. I can just see them smacking themselves upside their own heads in disgust when these fruitcakes started defaulting on their loans.

Having said that, Mitsubishi sure did a fine job building our 2008 Lancer GTS. Today I took it through some SE Arizona twisties below Dos Cabezas peak. The car steers accurately on a dime as you accelerate through the turns. The car is a pure and thorough joy to drive. I would be amiss to stray to Suzuki or BYD when my Mitsubishi drives and looks the way it does.

imidazol97 · February 2010

>gets as hosed as some theories suggest, it may be incapable of writing any meaningful data to the EDR, although the last 5 minutes leading up to "the event" would theoretically be there.

I got the impression that the toyota EDR was very deficient in terms of how much information was written there timewise--very small memory. It was a very short period of time that was able to be stored compared to a GM vehicle. And the information was somewhat primitive. Toyota didn't have to provide a wholesome EDR until 2012 when it will be required and they were putting in minimal equipment.

gizzer777 · February 2010

I agree with you...was just curious.

explorerx4 · February 2010

a practical standard for EDR recording would be a good thing, but i think access should be restricted to a search warrant level, in other words, a good reason to review it, not just a fishing expedition.

gagrice · February 2010

I think some states already protect the data recorder information. I believe the owner of the vehicle has the last say on its use.

sharonkl · February 2010

Forgot to ask how did you hear about Exponent's reputation and past history?

sharonkl · February 2010

Thye law has already passed regarding EDR's. Unfortunately can't find that link anymore or just lost in all my bookmarks. But by Sept 1, 2011 all must meet EDR standards and turn over all EDR's to DHTSA and must be publicly available. Auto history per reports I have seen have been fighting implementation of this bill. Was to be implemented Sept 1, 2010. Did have full bill, but shame on me - can't find.

Seems it has taken quite awhile. Think finding of a special panel weere given 2004 - law passed 2006+-???

Does anyone else have??? Would love to add to my collection

sharonkl · February 2010

Wonderful comparison! So seems that is what you think is occurring???

sharonkl · February 2010

Sadly due to all the detrimental substantiated proof documents that have been coming out and conflicts of statements/actions taken recently - Toyota's claims may be considered highly questionable?? Sad.

sharonkl · February 2010

I went out to dinner. I see you already got a good explanation. Thanks for asking. Still waiting to see if some else might have this new law - the complete law

sharonkl · February 2010

Here is a good writing of whole timeline. ETC's were installed in Toyota's 2001. And the complaints started after this. I only choose this site as format seems best for understanding. I have verified lots of this site's information - seems correct and matches others.

http://www.safetyresearch.net/toyota-sudden-unintended-acceleration/toyota-sudde- n-acceleration-timeline/

sharonkl · February 2010

Thanks so much for the You Tube video of Rhonda Smith's testimoney. I see I had lost some details of her testimony in my notes. Just can't write fast enough it seems. But got some info not in video.

Must have been a very scarey incident for her.

I had Reuters already. But thanks anyway.

sharonkl · February 2010

The lawmakers at the hearings kept making statements to Toyota 70% of the complaints were not address with either/both recalls 2009 & 2010. The timeline, the fixes of the past, etc sure do seem like Toyota just attempted to take approaches this fall that would keep them out of court, or help them defend in court.

Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall

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