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Problem solved and I'm not an engineer.
I do know that products have firmware issues and this would mitigate the problem.
Toyota is already coming back. Latest news in market financial section reveals such. Edmunds also.
Good luck
Probably the single worst vehicle for fatalities on a per vehicle-basis would be a Dodge Viper, which can't have UA as it is only a manual.
For instance, if you drive a Dodge Viper 100,000 miles, you are far more likely to die than driving a Prius for 100,000 miles. We have to get things back in perspective and look at the bigger picture.
China was interesting. Good for Nissan. I thought I saw a report Toyota has plans for expansion in China. SAU/UA problems here US will have no effect in China. I would assume China may censor the incoming internet information if they felt detrimental to any of their government goals.
My son and his wife just got Audi SUV AQ7. They love it. Performs well towing their boat. I have not sat in it yet, but will soon. Guess I'll find out then. I do know my husband had gotten the top model Audi in the 1980's and we had lots of electrical problems. Real lemon then. Everyone else was complainign too.
"Short People Can’t Drive Audis
In the 1980s, Audi became the poster child for Sudden Unintended Acceleration. And in many ways, this vehicle’s SUA problem became the model of how these problems would be investigated by NHTSA, defended by the industry and used as the sine qua non of SUA myth-busting.
More than 1,000 consumers alleged that their Audi 5000 vehicles had accelerated without driver input; 175 had been injured, and four died in SUA crashes. The company denied that there was anything wrong with the vehicle and blamed the problem on shorter than average drivers who did not have much experience driving an Audi. These small, confused drivers had mistakenly depressed the gas pedal when they meant to step on the brake, Audi said. The response was a public relations and marketing nightmare. Audi sales plunged, and the complaints continued.
The Audi 5000 was the subject of an infamous 60 Minutes story, in which the news program attempted to simulate SUA. The broadcast drove Audi sales down further, and the network was heavily criticized for its one-sided story. As the history is often recounted today, NHTSA vindicated Audi and CBS never apologized for maligning the automaker.
However, between 1982 and 1987, Audi launched five recalls to address the problem. The first three attempted to fix what Audi had characterized as the driver-error problem by tweaking the pedal positions. The fifth and final recall for 250,000 1978 to 1987 vehicles added a brake-shift interlock – which requires drivers to depress the brake pedal before shifting out of the Park position.
The fourth recall was probably the most telling about the Audi 5000’s SUA problem. In 1987, Audi recalled 81,000 Audi 5000s from the 1986 and 1987 model years, for worn idle stabilizer units. As Audi explained to its customers: “The idle stabilizer has the purpose of maintaining uniform engine idle speed by regulating air flow under different operating conditions, such as variations in engine temperature, and on/off cycling of the air conditioner or power assist pump. Excessive idle stabilizer wear causes engine idle fluctuations which increase with the usage of the car. If a worn unit is not replaced in a timely fashion, the engine idle could ultimately see-saw so severely that it may surprise a driver who is not acquainted with the vehicle’s condition and fails to apply the brake. Under these circumstances, there is a risk of a collision in a confined space with the possibility of injury.” (In others words, dear driver, it’s still your fault.)
Audi received much of the attention, due in part to victims, who organized and advocated very effectively for themselves. NHTSA also received a significant number of complaints in the 1980s alleging SUA in Nissan 280/300ZX and Maxima, Acura Legend, Honda Accord, and various Ford, GM and Mercedes models. NHTSA opened a number of defect investigations into SUA, and closed many of them without finding a defect trend."
he probably wouldn't wipe his b*tt if the paper is not recommended by CR.
not sure why he never bought a Toyota, though.
i'm not anti CR, just not 'pro'. some people have no middle ground.
My RAV4 is fine with carpet mat plus all weather mat. Neither moves and is quite distant(4-5") from pedal. Carpet mat is attached to floor pegs. All weather is on top - because of rubber little pegs underneath it stays put where it is laid. That was first thing I checked if two would be ok. And was long before this all occurred.
my 1991 mustang has it. despite that, all these Toyota UA episodes. :confuse:
Appears our computerized autos now create huge obstacles in finding the SUA/UA real cause. Poor service techs get baffled all the time, and find it easy to just replace something than find. Factor of time to find must be considered. .
Smile - what are we going to do when our car drives us around?? Research is underway now. Stanford is doing reseach for automatic steering. It's coming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault#The_Renault_Nissan_Alliance_.281999.E2.80.9- 3_.29
there are no standards for how automotive software operates.
there are external rules; OBD II for emissions, etc...
each manufacturer has their own idea of how it 'should' work and how much effort they want to invest in it.
sometimes i think i am getting too old to keep my mustang, but I think you just gave me justification in the Smile part of your post.
provide another example, if you can.
as a counterpoint, you can put a soda can under the throttle pedal any of my vehicles and it will not trap it into a full throttle position.
As for the purported picture of Sikes race car. That was just a joke.
Here is article to catchyou up. Most of the bloggers here had not seen all the reports/interviews CHP/Sikes.One of our bloggers here lives down there and helped us understand the road terrain. Had another news report from down south that said same - just couldn't find
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/22826761/detail.html
The following one is from Fox News. This one seems to just be addressing Sikes alleged questionable background, not any of the facts of the incident.
http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-jamessikesinvestigated0311,0,46776- 51.story
Glad to see you practicing. Me too!!!
Your cars pedals do sit higher. Interesting. What autos/models do you have?
I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn if you are interested in buying something else.
John
09 escape, 07 fusion, 04 escape, 02 explorer, 91 mustang.
i think the the mats/pedal issue is separate from UA situation.
the former reflects an obvious design flaw with the Lex/Toy Camry based vehicles.
Since 1960 fifty years have passed. Things have changed. Nader was at CR for a time to vent his hatred of GM and others through their pages.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
So you enjoyed my last comment. That is scarey! Think you may need to keep your Mustang. Forget - you are too old.
The only PU built cheaper and junkier than the Toyota Tundra is the Nissan Titan. Plastic mounts for radiator. The list is endless of why the Titan is a nightmare for Nissan. Same goes for the Tundra. They should have both stuck with building just cars and CUVs.
I have a 10 Max SV and its a great car! their sedans, crossovers, and sport coupes are absolutely wonderful and a good majority have really good reliability! its just those darn pick-ups and SUVs!
I had also blogged here how I had gone out to try to get pedal to stick on my mats. 2006 configuration - chance was 0. Unless you bunched up mat. Just not possible. .
Many thanks for your concern for me. Nice to see a good safety person on board!
Toyota does not have anything comparable, but if they did, both my kids would say to each other, 'you can have it'.
Toyota made the decision to be inoffensive to everybody, but the issues they are having due to maximizing profits, have undermined the high quality plus inoffensive corporate philosophy they built their success on.
Since complaints were only 5-10 felt CTS just was the easy target. Pedal doesn't/didn't cause any of the SUA/UA. events. If my model were being recalled, think I would have just ordered the new designed pedal myself, and let Toyota install that pedal at no charge to me. Just what I personally would do.
We'll, some people obviously drove them and decided it was not a bad design, and bought them. If you buy something, don't complain about its design!!!! You know the design before you buy it!!!
you are digging yourself a hole.
not trying to shovel dirt on top of you while you are still breathing.
No thanks to a bridge in Brooklyn - Smile - I prefer the Golden Gate Bridge!! Do you live in Brooklyn???
1) they claimed they had a new Headquarters for the company and were the "NEW" Chrysler and the "NEW" Dodge now (back in 1994).
2) they claimed they were not the Chrysler/Dodge of old (the incompetent unreliable crap car builder of yesteryear (I suppose this meant the 80's and early 90's).
3) It was an all "new" design, with all "new" engineering.
4) The only thing old was the 3 speed auto from the early 70's, I wanted the 5-speed, my father (who contributed some mula) demanded I get the auto (he felt auto would be safer for a teenager I guess).
5) even though everything was from the "new" Dodge, it was the same old Chrysler crap.
6) They said they were not the Chrysler that went bankrupt and needed a gov't bailout, they said they were better (deja vu, sound familiar today?
#6 sounds awfully familiar to what I hear today about GM and Chrysler.
It's the boy who cried wolf!
I was unaware the design and engineering of the vehicle was so that the car would basically self destruct after it was 3 years old or had 36,000 miles. I didn't see "planned obsolecense" in the design; to my defense in choosing it. Also, I was a teenager who didn't realize how important reliability was in choosing an automobile.
So how do you like your Explorer?? I had two before the RAV4. Mine were both very reliable and kept each until 100,000 miles. When my husband was alive we needed to tow our boat. My husband died, boat too big for me alone, so next auto went for gas mileage and cargo room large enough for two large dog kennels.
This shim fix appeared to be a very cheap approach - seemed more for reassuring public. NHTSA let it go through
That explains it. I bought my son a new Toyota PU truck in 1995. He managed to destroy the engine at 60k and again at 107K miles. Clutch at 11k miles not covered by the thieves at Toyota. You destroyed a Neon, my son destroyed a Toyota. Kids are a pain in the Behind. He put the miles on delivering Pizzas and trips to the Sierras snowboarding.
I won't bore you with the problems my 1964 Toyota Land Cruiser had.
PS
The Toyota was a holdover from 1994 and I got it for $9k. Still over priced.
I bet you or your son got a fair value at trade-in time!!! I got peanuts for the Neon when it was time to get a new vehicle, which was WAY BEFORE 107K miles.
I could of bought a Rolls Royce cheaper than keeping a Neon that long.
No, the Chrysler engineers, builders, and designers destroyed the Neon by having it's self-destruct sequence pre-planned for the day after year 3 or the mile after 36,000. In that regard, the engineering was excellent because I remember needing a new Air conditioner literally the day after I hit 36 months.
I took great care of my first car. I kept it constantly clean, and got oil changes every 3,000 miles. In contrast my friend raped his Toyota Corolla ( I mean GEO Prism) all over town for 100,000 miles and it never cost him a dime in unscheduled repairs.
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20100313/US.Runaway.Prius/
"Every time the technician placed the gas pedal to the floor and the brake pedal to the floor the engine shut off and the car immediately started to slow down," the memo said.
The brakes on the Prius also did not show wear consistent with having been applied at full force at high speeds for a long period, the Wall Street Journal reported Saturday, citing three people familiar with the probe, whom it did not name. The newspaper said the brakes may have been applied intermittently.
ROFLMAO
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
You said ..." Unless you bunched up mat. Just not possible".... Why take the chance?
Toyota's expert keeps saying over and over that this can't happen because there's a brake override. Duh. That's the point. Your computer system goes haywire and the brake override, which works through the computer, doesn't work!!!
Of course, it's not happening each time the car is driven.
The article points out further damning incidents, one on a Lexus with the floor mats "repaired."
Toyota is working hard to keep the name "Lexus" out of the news as much as possible.
>And in Fort Wayne, Indiana, the driver of a 2007 Lexus said it careened through a parking lot and crashed into a light pole Thursday after its accelerator suddenly dropped to the floor. That car was the subject of a floor mat recall. Driver Myrna Cook of Paulding, Ohio, said it had been repaired.
>NHTSA is sending experts to a New York City suburb where the driver of a 2005 Prius said she crashed into a stone wall Monday after the car accelerated on its own.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,