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If PR could do all that I wonder why Chrysler and GM don't hire some good PR folks? In their case I guess building crappy cars has nothing to do with them going bankrupt, it was just bad PR !!
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nice but not worth trading in my 2009 for it. Toyota has kept price Limited close to 2009 while giving few more features
They did hire them, but they're all on here posting bad things about Toyotas.
LOL, you are probably right about those PR folks !!
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Ford is doing very well for sure. They have top of the line across the line. Edge, Escape, Explorer, Expedition and my favorite the Flex. Toyota has nothing on that lineup. If you like surging at stop lights and the crap shoot for SUA, buy Toyota by all means. If you want well designed and engineered vehicles, GO FORD..... :shades:
PS
Ford stock has pushed my 401K above the highs of 2007.
I don't know how someone could talk about Toyota's causing accidents while praising the Flex and Explorer when the Explorer has the worst record in history of suddenly going belly up and killing folks.
Are your memories that short?
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I think for the Flex you have to be the sort that likes retro looks. Looks like you took a 50s Ford wagon and made it bigger. I like the looks of PT Cruisers and HHRs as well so that's where that is coming from.
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Just another Ford Mistook.
The old Explorer, although inferior in off road function, could be considered to be in the same category as the 4Runner.. The new Explorer can nolonger follow the 4Runner off the road. It will be functionally like a Highlander. Numbers sold do not change how a vehicle functions.(competes) The Explorer certainly wins the vehicles sold competition both then and probably in the future in it's new category.
I suspect it might be worth adding to any "new" vehicle.
"..It will be functionally like a highlander.."
Not for the moment, for now the 2011 Explorer will have a much more functional F/awd system than has the current HL. But I expect that by the next model year the HL will have adopted the new Explorer's F/awd system design, also now already used in the Sienna, Venza, Escape, Tribute, etc.
By the way, just how did this 2011 Explorer thread get over "here".
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http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/composite_cls.aspx?y=2006-2008&cls=2
Under the Insurance Institute's TOP SAFETY PICKS, for Mid Size SUVS, I don't see the Explorer listed at all, but I do see the Lexus RX, the Toyota Venza, and the Toyota Highlander !
Also wwest, nearly all the top safety picks are either front wheel drive or all wheel drive. Very, very few rear wheel drive cars made the list.
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have you gotten your recall letter(s) yet?
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
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We should be getting a recall notice on the 07 LX sometime in August on the steering column retaining clamp or something like that. We haven't had any problems for the 38,000 miles we've driven the truck so far. If only Ford was that conscientious a lot of lives would have been saved.
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the numbers of them recalled can be large due to the number sold.
looking at the number of deaths, there are a lots more Fords out there than Toyota's, so of course the raw number of deaths are going to be higher.
the Ford/Firestone recall and how it was handled, was the catalyst for the response to these multi brand recalls that have happened since then.
Toy/Lex is just another brand having to march to that same drummer now.
Gagrice, congrats on your 401k. If you have a lot of stock, might be a good time to sell some and lighten up and diversify more. Take it from an "old timer," diversification is much safer. Ford has wonderful products now, but has a huge, huge debt facing it in the future. Also, the auto union hates to see them making too much money and may go after them. Look for trouble there in the future. Some smart people have said the only reason Ford didn't go bankrupt when GM did is because they had larger lines of credit, but they still gotta pay it back. Index funds are the way to go. For more info, read "A Random Walk Down Wall Street."
JMHO, Denny
I don't plan to buy any TM. How many more recalls will surface now that toyota is being watched closely?
I've been mostly not bothering taking sides in here because it's gotten like the Hyundai in the luxury market thread - hot opinions but no changing minds.
It's stuff like this that has been surfacing in the toyota discussions elsewhere on Edmunds that should create angst in anyone investing in toyota with the ADRs or buying the vehicle:
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0c6927/5175#MSG5175
"Took my 2007 Camry SE (17,600 miles) to Toyota dealer service today.
When going down a steep hill at freeway speeds and applying brakes, steering wheel shakes and car starts shuddering. Serviceman say probably rotors.
I say "already?" Calls later and tells me a new, improved brake pad has been developed which he recommends replacing. I asked when "new, improved" pad was available? Answer: JUNE 2009. Why am I only hearing about it now that my warranty expired 4 months ago? It was on a technical bulletin but not a safety
issue so they don't have to inform customers. Oh well, they don't tell us when it's a safety issue until xxxxxpeople die, right? $58. for pads on front; $175 labor;
$58 pads on back $175 labor. This is my 6th and last Toyota.
Please don't tell me to go to another dealer; 60 miles down steep hills.
Just wanted to post this for others and the guy who had his rotors repaired 9 times. BEWARE.
Leaving here now to go buy a new car. Any suggestions????? "
This is occurring in the toyota discussions more and more along with the Honda discussions on Odyssey trans problems (surprise?) and in VCM discussions.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
The source of the article is
93 And Counting
Michael Fumento, 07.30.10, 07:40 AM EDT
Forbes Asia Magazine dated August 09, 2010 \
Hmmmm. An Asian-oriented magazine. I wonder what side he will take? Hmmmm.
Also, it's funny to have a media magazine criticizing the media for not fact-checking? Where were they on "fact checking" during the last prez campaign!?
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Haaa, you think that happens anywhere on the forums?
This was a good pair of stories:
Were we all wrong about Toyota? (smdp.com)
That was followed by the same columist writing this blog five days later:
WALL STREET JOURNAL REPORTER MISLEADS READERS, NPR AND US!
That was going to be my next post!
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Haaa, you think that happens anywhere on the forums?
No.. Couldn't be.
I just thing some topics seem to have it in spades. This is one of them. The luxury Hyundai thread is another classic.
I agree on how the media will slant things depending on which side their bread is buttered.
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
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Release of Toyota Documents Blocked, Ex-Official Says
Since March, the agency has examined 40 Toyota vehicles where unintended acceleration was cited as the cause of an accident, Mr. Person said. NHTSA determined 23 of the vehicles had accelerated suddenly, Mr. Person said.
In all 23, he added, the vehicles' electronic data recorders or black boxes showed the car's throttle was wide open and the brake was not depressed at the moment of impact, suggesting the drivers mistakenly stepped on the gas pedal instead of the brake, Mr. Person said.
"The agency has for too long ignored what I believe is the root cause of these unintended acceleration cases," he said. "It's driver error. It's pedal misapplication and that's what this data shows."
Mr. Person said he believes Transportation Department officials are "sitting on" this data because it could revive criticism that NHTSA is too close to the auto maker and has not looked hard enough for electrical flaws in Toyota vehicles.
"It has become very political. There is a lot of anger towards Toyota," Mr. Person said. Transportation officials "are hoping against hope that they find something that points back to a flaw in Toyota vehicles."
A Transportation Department spokeswoman, Olivia Alair, said NHTSA is still reviewing data from the Toyota vehicles the agency is examining. "Its review is not yet complete. The investigation remains ongoing," she said.
A Toyota spokesman declined to comment. A NHTSA spokeswoman did not respond to phone calls and an email seeking comment.
At the time of his retirement, Mr. Person, 67 years old, was chief of NHTSA's Recall Management Division, which is part of the agency's Office of Defects Investigation. He said he was briefed on the agency's probe into the causes of accidents in which drivers said Toyota vehicles suddenly accelerated on their own, and said he offered his input on the matter to investigators.
Ms. Alair said Mr. Person "was not involved in any aspect of the ongoing investigation into unintended acceleration."
Mr. Person said he retired in good standing with the agency. Ms. Alair said she could not comment on personnel matters.
Maybe Person was forced into retirement for all the previous screw ups with letting Toyota off the hook on recalls. That was his department. I wonder if his Civil Service retirement will be as much as he gets from Toyota for past favors.
The statements that they can't find anything recorded in their sorry excuse of an event recorder doesn't mean anything. The last 3 crashes of my Pentium 4 desktop showed no records in the computer's own memory as to the actual cause. It did tell me that it had crashed, however, which is what the toyota and NHSTA folks are saying.
The fact that the computer doesn't show the brakes were applied doesn't surprise me a bit. Early on that was a complaint: applying the brakes had no effect because the car was hell bent on accelerating. Why should I think the computer record would show the pedal was applied while the accelerator was fully applied--at least in the car computer's info.
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The question I want to see answered, will they pull the wool over the Jury's eyes as they have with so many media people?