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had two 2011 Odyssey's delivered this morning. I jumped in the car with
my wife to go down and drive it expecting to find a line in front of me. To
my surprise there was no-one there but us and the new vehicles were still being prepped, so we did some shopping and came back. We were the first to drive the new Odyssey in Rhinelander, Wi. I was really excited and was pleased to see that the design was actually pretty good. However, when my wife jumped in the front seat for a test drive, her feet didn't touch the floor. We adjusted the seat every way imaginable and her feet were still one inch above the floor.
She is 5'1" tall. How can anyone design a $38,000 vehicle that can't
accomodate a 5 ft tall human being? I have had every intention of buying this vehicle since I saw the prototype last spring. And then this happens.
Good-bye Honda. I guess I can start looking all over again.
Everyone...watch a move called "SUCKERS" they say it comes very close to what really happens at car dealers, plot is no no good, but you get a inside into the back office. You can order it thru blockbuster and netflix
We have had a 2000 Odyssey for 11 years (bought fall of 1999) and have loved it. Now our Odyssey has 150,000 miles on it and we need to get a new vehicle (minor issues adding up and sliding doors slowing dying). So we have been waiting for the "new & improved" design. I have to agree with the other man who commented that his bubble was burst. I was ready to walk in and buy another beloved Honda, and this 2011 Odyssey is not it.
I don't know what Honda was thinking with this new model. In their effort to "win over" non-minivan drivers, I think they have lost those of us who were looking for a world class minivan (not a crossover or modified SVU vehicle.)
Oh well, back to the drawing board for me (and apparently for Honda.)
You statistics are way off, in 2008 new car sales only accounted for a fraction of US Retail sales, no where near what you are saying, read the facts at -->> www.census.gov/retail/.
I was quoted $42100 out the door. Is it a good price for a Touring model?
Yes, head room is less but it feels more like a car. The back(referred to as ugly) has a striking resemblance to the rear of the MDX. I think this just takes getting used to just like when the minivans were first launched. The interior of the Touring feels luxurious and spacious, The 2nd row seats 3 adults comfortably unlike the 2010 model.
My wife was dead against minivans but was impressed (not easy). I am too.
IMHO I would wait to buy until I could buy a 2011 that was actually made after the first of the year to allow them to get any glitches out of the system. I could get used to the styling. I noticed none had roof rack rails and was told that would be extra. The Tourings looked "tall" with larger wheels. I'm anxious to hear gas mileage figures from the 6 speed Tourings (I'll be really pleased if many would actually get the 28 MPG).
The interior is improved. No more "bunched up" leather, which we thought only looked tolerable in black (which required buying a Touring). We've got to make room for two car seats, so being able to spread apart second row seats is a big deal for us.
But, I really, really don't feel like paying MSRP on this, which would be $36,050!
(Just now, as I'm typing this, I got an email quote for $36,050 for the 2011 EX-L w/RES, and $30,837 for the 2010.)
I understand that buying the latest and greatest comes at a cost, but $6k extra for a 2011?
What do you all think?
I am sure we could save about 6K on 2010 models.
I was a bit upset that they removed the EX-L with RES/NAV option, seems kind of dumb for anyone to pay $4k for there non wide-screen RES (aka Touring).
I was excited that the the second row can accomodate 3 car seats. That excitement quickly faded when I was told that the only way to access the 3rd row in this configuration, or with 2 carseats in the left and right seats was through the trunk. The Sienna slides farther forward so that you may access the 3rd row. The Odyssey will not allow you to go into the third row if a carseat is installed.
Finally, we were offered $700 over invoice.
I'm not sure about the looks though, seems to me each gen gets uglier.
break is kind of soft when you push hard but very responsive when pressed lightly.
cornering is confident and excellent
internal layout and feel is order of magnitude better than sienna
handling is even better than the 2010 ody which I test drove last weekend.
I feel there is a blind spot on the rear right end, can see through 3rd row window.
I guess I will still go with sienna due to the ody trans issue.
For the run of the mill consumer, it may look different, trendy and sleek... I likened it to looking quadriplegic! No offense to the disables, but what were they thinking with all those body lines?! Lighting bolt?! Stick that up your behinds!
They took a lot of the leather trim in the Touring and replaced it with plastic, did you notice that? How about the jacks and receptacle now being out in the open in the 3rd row. If we wanted domestic, we would look to GM!
Rather then do a better job at concealing the door track, they make it bigger! Bolder? How about ignorant! You now have 3 different lines going 3 different directions..... TRAIN WRECK!
How about the nasty line on the hood of the car that runs parallel to the grille 3/4's of the way down?! Someone drop something on the prototype and forget to correct it before agreeing on final design?!
The ONLY thing they did right was to overhaul the center row. But like one other person said, why not offer or just provide 2 arm rests for the people that don't want or are able to remove that middle seat and still seat the captains passengers comfortably with an arm rest on each side? How about at least returning the roof rails?! I thought it was ignorant on the previous design to only provided the rails and not the cross bars, but now they won't put it on at all! Dealer added accessory now. As if the increase in overall price isn't enough!
I said to the Honda rep...."can you imagine going on a road trip with 6 children and wondering where you are going to put all the bags", he said he doesn't want to think about it. I told him this is the problem. They could care less what the end user thinks, feels or experiences, in determining how to appeal to the most demanding of circumstances.
We have 6 children and the only thing wrong with the 2008 we sold and the 2010 we just leased on Friday was the center seat being in a fixed position. I was fortunate to find a custom shop who will now modify that seat and make it recline more and slide forward, allowing greater leg room for the 3 row.
As far as I am concerned, Toyota should duplicate the new Odyssey interior for the 2010 and they will steal the show! Look for an interior refresh in the Sienna for 2012, they are getting rid of the ugly tracks in the floor and will overhaul that nasty center seat.
I want to work up from Invoice price. Touring is $36,904 for invoice, but not sure if I need to factor in Destination charge of $780 too.
The new tray between the front seats takes up more space and does not let you store and hide items under the tray. It also does not flip down which eliminates a pass through unless removed.
Sitting in the second row the lower headroom (1.5 inches) gives the impression your in a sedan vs van. The space is more restricted. The view out the front is reduced as the windshield rakes back at more of an angle vs the 2010. Honda is trying to make the van hip. By lowering the roof and raising the belt line Honda introduced more style but sacrificed other attributes.
While sitting in the second row I noticed the smaller roof air vents. The lower roof resulted in designing the vents to be similar to jet airline overhead vents. The new vents are positioned near your head. My concern is to move a similar volume of air as the older model there may be an uncomfortable increase in air flow. I did not drive the new 2011 so I can not confirm if comfort was traded off for the new roof design. In the second row the new full-size middle seat fills up space and contributes to the perception of less space. Others have mentioned the lack of an one armrest with the middle seat up.
Style
The front dash design and use of textured/colored plastics are much better executed in the 2011. The window sill trim is more refined.
The design of the second row seat improves entry to the 3rd row seats. The seat folds down and slides forward easier than the previous model.
The side mirrors are not color keyed to the body color and look better with a darker exterior color. From a style consideration the 2011 sliding door track is unrefined but is less noticeable in a black/dark exterior color.
The new 2011 model has refinements which move the van forward. However, there is no current van in production with the refinement and airy space of the boxy previous generation.
It's still hip to be square.....
The car buying service price will be this and should be online to print and prove in next couple of weeks. Participating dealers have likely set these already, so ask if you do not wish to wait. Invoice on the EX is 28,042, MSRP is 30,950. Not including delivery.
Pohanka Honda in Stafford, VA
Last night, a touring left the lot for $100 under MSRP. Now that seems riciculous, and in couple of weeks - when car buying service prices are online for it - should be gone. I guess they really wanted the theatre room on wheels for the house price right now.
Probably could have waited and done a bit better, but drove my 2002 bought in 2001 and it needed brakes, tires, windshield cracked . . . . just wanted this one in this color and went for it. LOVE IT!
BTW the middle console can come out all together for pass through, second row seating is MUCH improved. Headroom is still great for 6'3'' person, and much roomier. . . more leg room. . . much wider. . . better milage without roof rack and lower stance. Luxurious feel, tons of compartments and hoders. Great sliding door button placement so no turning back any more, extra handle to get in. Very sharp IMO.
To my big disappointment, this is what Honda states several times in their press release: "The system will not copy music from burned CDs or from USB flash drives.." I could not believe it! So it will only copy from original CD's! Why did they do this limitation? The Chrysler minivans copies just anything! I think that this (among other design flaws) is killing the whole purpose and idea! OMG! Why do designers always loose their mind when in design process???????
Interesting fact:
2010 EXL with Res/Nav: 32.3
2011 EXL with Nav: 33.9
$1600 premium for new model and less features, I believe the prices will crash harder in time.
Probably to protect themselves against possible copyright infringement lawsuits from the recording industry.
On another note, has anyone seen a Touring Elite? There seems to be a delay in dealerships receiving those on the lot. I'm curious how the blind spot sensor works? Is it linked to your turn signal?
Pretty ignorant of Honda to have this restriction.
Even companies like Sony, who are notorious for their music rights (after all they are a publisher - Sony Music), sells devices where you can load non-DRM music (http://goo.gl/ftjk).
Playing and storing are 2 different things. Also, Honda calls it a CD-Libray, not an MP-3 library.
I'm just tossing thoughts out there - I don't know the real answer.