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2011 Nissan Quest (Japan version Nissan Elgrand)
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The salesman reminded me that the navi accepts voice commands. I am hoping the voice recognition is decent - if so you will actually be able to program it while driving.
Car: $37,613
Freight $780
Processing: $100
Sales Tax: $1,565
Tire Tax: $24
Tag Fees: $103.50
Title Fees: $50
Lien Recording: $20
For those who have purchased a 2011 Odyssey (or test driven one), can you provide your driving impressions? Which did you prefer overall (driving, comfort, noise) if you test drove? If you bought a 2011 Odyssey, did you compare it to the 2011 Sienna and if so, what made you decide in favor of the Odyssey?
I know the exterior styling is controversial (some say it is ugly), but that isn't really my concern at this point. I would just like to know what people think about living with the 2011 Odyssey. Almost all of the motoring magazine reviews talk about the features, but neglect to talk about the driving experience.
Thanks in advance (we won't see the 2011 model in Canada until the end of the month).
Bob
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Instead, Honda decided to focus much of its engineering talent on improving and perfecting the functionality of the Odyssey rather than reengineer it; and that’s smart thinking as there’s no reason to knock either the chassis or the engine. Quite the contrary.
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BEST-IN-CLASS FUEL ECONOMY
Thanks to modifications to the engine, use of Variable Cylinder Management (VCM), a lighter overall curb weight and a sleek aerodynamic body, Honda wears the fuel economy crown in the segment. The new rating is an impressive 18-mpg city and 27-mpg highway, which bests the Toyota Sienna’s 18/24-mpg rating for the V6 and is even better than the 4-cylinder Sienna’s 19/24-mpg rating. And Honda even offers a six-speed automatic transmission on top trim Touring models which then get 19/28-mpg – family sedan numbers.
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It’s also nice to know that with the improved fuel economy, performance hasn’t been sacrificed. Miniscule increases in engine power put the new totals at 248-hp and 250 ft-lbs of torque and when combined with a reduced curb weight of 103 lbs., the Odyssey delivers best-in-class acceleration. Sure you might not be lining up at a stoplight with the Odyssey, but this improvement will come in handy when you’ve got a full load.
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While both redesigns have lots of bells and whistles at the higher trim packages, I preferred the DRIVE of the Honda. Felt like I was still behind the wheel of my Highlander. The Sienna felt wider and longer to drive, more "boat like." Interestingly it is an inch or two narrower and shorter. Neither seemed particularly loud to me, but the Honda engine seemed a bit quieter than the Toyota.
After much research and now having driven both, we are planning to buy the Odyssey Touring Elite.
Hi there... are you referring to that "middle seat" in the 2nd row or the console in the front? I want an easy pass through to the 3rd row and would like to remove that middle seat in the second row, leaving two captain's chairs with armrests. Is this possible?
Thanks,
Pat
Make the center seat larger. Look for the 2010, truth is you have to have owned one of the last 3 model years to appreciate everything that is wrong with the 2011.
This thing is so ugly, horrible, even worse than in the pictures IMO. I can't think of me driving such an ugly piece. My wife asked it me if this to use for funerals...
What are the guys at Honda thinking? How could they approve it, and come up with this stupid "lightening bolt" excuse, an answer to a question no one asked?
I also do not like the grille, and the ultra-super big exterior door handles.
The interior looks very elegant and inviting, though.
Think about, whomever has the money to purchase a $45,000 Mini-Van, do you think they live in Government Housing? Well yeah, if it's the Drug King-Pin himself, in that case put 30-inch spinning rims on it and get on with the show..!!!
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$1994 off the MSRP, which I thought to be a fair price. Ordered the celestial
blue metallic (they couldn't find one in the entire state) so I have to wait for a
while. Dealer said they would probably have it by the end of October.
I'm glad you posted information about your trade in. I wish everyone posting here would do the same. Saying "I got $3k under invoice" but failing to mention that they only gave you $100 for trading in your Bentley does no one here any good.
I'm not pointing all of this out to make anyone feel bad, but to draw attention to the fact that when a trade in is involved, the pricing that you got is completely invalid for comparison with anyone else's deal. The dealership will put somewhere between $200 (cleaning materials and minimum wage labor) and $1000 (if parts are needed) into your trade, then list it for $21k and probably sell it for $18-$19k. Trade ins are enormously profitable for them, and they'll do very well with yours. I don't begrudge them this scheme, they have to make a profit to stay in business. But informed consumers can save themselves money fair and square by running all of the numbers.
In the interim I'm looking at accessories. It appears that Honda offers a factory remote start accessory which I understand requires two parts the Remote Start (Part # 08E91-E22-101A) and the Remote Engine Starter Attachment (Part # 08E92-TK8-100). From what I can tell they don't require any splicing and are plug and play. My question is does anyone know whether these will just work or do I need a Honda dealer to install / program them?
I have yet to find anyone cheaper on everything that they sell. They have a great customer service department that has always been able to answer any product questions I had.
I have bought for my new 2008 Touring and now our 2010 Touring and always look forward to buying different things. Happy Shopping!
Concerns: Loss of 2nd row under floor storage is disappointing as I think my kids will stand on the new trash bag ring and snap it off. There is a huge front blind spot when making right turns as the sloped windshield pillar is quite wide. Having a passenger in the front seat makes it even more difficult to see. Tall Drivers will get annoyed because you cannot stretch out your left leg while driving due to shortened wheel well area. Heat/AC controls are not intuitive compared to 08-09 but should be easy to learn after some time. No 2nd row inside armrests if you remove the middle seat. On styling, they really blew it with black mirrors and black rear overhang. We saw a Tafetta White 2011 Ody with added black mudflaps, black sunroof visor, and black roof rails. It looked terrible. The dealer was turning it into their shuttle van. The white, light blue, and silver colors will probably sit on the lot until they deep discount or start color matching the mirrors and rear overhang. I expect alot of the darker colors to be ordered in the meantime.
Overall, I might lean towards a Certified Pre-Owned. This will give them time to work out technical bugs, improve driver leg room, and improve the appearance. I realize engine and tranny for 2011 EX-L are the same as previous generation Ody, but I do believe the first year glitches could come up with the new electronic dashboard. Anyone seeing something different?
seem to have this color.
Design Goals
1. Remake the van concept to broaden appeal and lure younger, van phobic parents away from SUVs. The 2011 is most assuredly a van, but the marketing department tells customers how we are to perceive the new Ody...."low-slung, modern profile, both attention-grabbing and aerodynamic."
2. "Increase seating flexibility with a revised multi-function 2nd-row center seat (EX and above) with a seat cushion that is 4 inches wider." Read into this statement that they wanted this center seat to be a true 8th pax seat.
The stylish low-slung look sacrifices headroom in the middle row and reduces the rear & side outside view by significantly reducing window area. The modern lower profile dictated the larger sliding door track which was better concealed on the older Ody.
To achieve the 4 inches of room for a true 2nd row center seat, the 2011 grew 2 inches in width. The seats however became narrower. ...the Ody appears to share seats with the Honda Pilot; gone are the roomy 2010 wide seats.
Other Trade-offs
The van was stretched 1 inch to increase 2/3rd row leg room. That length & width fills up the garage and makes parallel parking more difficult especially with the restricted rear visibility related to new roof pillars. The back-up camera revised display is a help.
The Michelin energy tires are not available on the 2011EX/ EXL. Those premium tires are good for 1 to 1.5 MPG increase over standard tires. Michelin's were standard equipment in 2010.
The interior design on the 2011 is more refined, however, Honda reduced cost by replacing the handsome chrome door handle with plastic. The shift knob seems cheapened. I believe it is a step backwards to previous generation Odys to not color match the side mirror & roof line spoiler to the exterior color. I don't care for the use of a soft matte plastic on side pillars vs the harder glassy material found on the 2008 - 2010 van. The matte plastic look is downscale and does not wear well. The 2011 Touring does get the better material on the side pillars and roof line spoiler.
Roof rails are gone in the 2011. Probably improves MPG by .3%
Some customers may believe the NAVI with new recessed screen is an improvement. From experience, I would trade out the times the screen is washed out for touch screen access. Using a jog dial is awkward vs a screen touch display.
We are empty nesters who migrated from several Lexus 400s to our second Ody. We love the Ody with NAVI for comfortable travel. We don't need the 2011 2nd row seat configuration and enjoy the increased 2010 outside visibility and touch screen NAVI. One complaint with our previous 2008 Ody was road noise but the 2010 EXL we test drove was better and the 2010 Touring we purchased even better damping road/suspension noise. Overall road noise is not a negative on a 2010 EXL or Touring.
You may wish to read this review: http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2010-10-07-test-drive-honda-o- - dyssey_N.htm
There is a price increase of 3 to 4% on the 2011 vs $4K to $5K discounts on the 2010s. Also some content was removed and replaced with less expensive materials on the new model. Hopefully this post points out unconsidered details to assist in your evaluation of the 2011 model.
I guess the competitors need another look before I write the check.
bsiebenal49
If it's not a Honda what 2011 minivan or large SUV has it?
Got 13000 for the trade which may be a little low, but only paid $1100 over
invoice ($32305) for the Odyssey. Also required the dealer to have the
Michelin Primacy MXV 4's on the new vehicle and they readily agreed. I am
happy with the deal.
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We are trying to decide between a 2010 touring vs a 2011 touring, but use a Thule carrier/bubble at times. Some newer cars come equipped with attachment points for Thule rack footings (I know the Mazda5 has these w/no roof rack).
Anyone know if the 2011 Touring comes with these footing/anchorpoints?
What other roof rack options are out there for the 2011?
Thanks!