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Any feedback for trouble shooting the system would be value add.Thx!
Or 13.5 towing an 8900# camper at most any speed. A flat bed trailer, at 60ish mph might do it.
We do a lot of camping, and fuel mileage often becomes the topic around campfires.
Example: Josh normally towed his 32-35 ft "Tag Along" (not 5th wheel) camper w/sliders with a Ford 10V. I believe he said it is a Van. Usually averaged 8-9 mpg.
For this particular trip he borrowed a F-250 Diesel a couple of years old.
Said he was disappointed in the fuel mileage of towing at 60 mph. 12+ mpg.
Most Diesel owners I've talked with say that 12-15 mpg is about right for a large "tag Along" . And that 5th wheels don't do as well.
Haven't talked to anyone yet with an F-150 Eco Boost, so your input would be helpful. If you do get that 12+ mpg towing a large camper, it would be great, as gasoline is so much cheaper than diesel. At least it is around here.
Thanks,
Kip
I really like the f150 but honestly I don't know if I'd pull the trigger on the EB. I'm at 112k on my '07 Expedition and I'd like to get another year out it. Then I'll decide on a Ram hemi/8speed, F150, the new GM trucks, or maybe even a new Suburban depending on the redesign. That or I'll just find a low mileage used Expedition EL.
I have nothing against the Ecoboost. I've driven a few and they are indeed impressive. Gas mileage appears to be a bit better than my Expedition while also having a lot more power. That's a win/win to me. That said, I'm not sold on Fords ability to avoid major issues. The spark plug debacle with the 3v 5.4 cost me $1,000 due to the plugs breaking off in the head.
But with as many Ecoboosts that have sold, there seems to be far more happy owners than unhappy. So we'll see. I think many have an unrealistic expectations of FE.
As for towing mileage, yeah, what you've found is pretty much what I've experienced. The 5th wheels are far heavier than a "tag along". I"ve only towed our travel trailer once. About 150 miles from the dealer to the campground. It's 32' with two slides and 35' overall. It weights around 7,500lbs empty. I towed it with my Expedition at 50-60mph and got about 8 mpg. No way will a current gas truck yield 13mpg pulling a camper of that size. We used to have a 25' camper and still never got more than 8-9mpg towing it with a '00 Suburban.
As for the Ecoboost, a guy that camps next to me has an '11 F150 Crew Lariat 4x4 3.73 ecoboost. Towing his 26' deck boat (about 7,000lbs) he claims he gets about 9 mpg at 70 mph. He says non towing mileage at 70 is 19-20 and 65 and under it's over 20mpg.
I keep mine slightly tipped in all the time just to allow for clearance. Adjusting them continuously will not only frustrate you but eventually wear out the interface as the mirrors are only held in position by the plastic interface.
I experienced the EXACT SAME thing!!
There is as strategic method to fully mapping the processor that might help to fill the fuel tables which might benefit you.
The reason I purchased the Eco boost F150 crew was that many I spoke to during our recent 2012 camping pulling travel trailers up to 9000# were looking at 12/13.5 with the Eco boost platform, while the Duramax, 6.7 Ford, and other big blocks were lucky to see 10.5 mpg. with the same payload. Sure I love diesels, but could not justify the MPG nor maintenance costs.
Stay tuned!!
Stay tuned: While were into the first season of putting the Eco boost to the test, I assure you there will be additional threads to provide accurate feedback regarding the Eco Boost's capabilities including the MPG loaded and unloaded.
The goal is to find what rig will adequately pull a 8,000/ 10.000 lb trailer without breaking the bank or spending a fortune in fuel and oil changes.
Due to the spring rates and overall vehicle design towing a fifth wheel may not a good decision, but for the average tow behind... "Campers here we come!"
I don't think I'd want to pull much more than 8k lbs on a regular occasion with any 1/2 ton. That's probably the point where a 3/4 ton is the way to go. Now if you don't tow far a 1/2 ton probably would be fine.
I 've also learned the 3.7 engine may take longer than anticipated time for break-in . Anticipate a minimum of 5500 miles during which time your mileage may not meet the projected figures on the window sticker.
It appears from your note you may be considering a two wheel drive platform. Ours is a 4x4 Super Crew which with 373 gears which is a little aggressive. While the bigger mirrors may appeal to some customers, I'd opted to not have them given the choice. As for pulling, it'll do the job!
Oh, by the way, order a set of rear wheel liners, Ford decided they're not required. The cost is a mere $100.00 bill,money well spent.
Note: This unit has max trailer tow with the larger mirrors but that IS NOT the root cause.......
I believe it's stated right on the sticker in small print.
I would, however, be interested in knowing what platform (ie: F150 ,4x4, axle ratio 373, etc.) you are running as well as (what you plan to tow (ie: weight trailer,etc). I am monitoring comments on several forums to see what other owners are experiencing. As for the tranmission event I have heard of another with this same failure mode. Was your transmission issue resolved.?
I agree that the Eco-boost has the muscle in all ranges to do the work but have poor fuel economy numbers to report which leave me grossly disappointed.
Currently driving a Super Crew 4x4 ,with 373 gears can only support 13.8 cty/15.8hwy and average tank to tank fill up of 13.8/14.0 mpg overall.
Having performed many drive ratings on both car and truck platforms, I cannot support claims of 16cty/20.5hwy and am currently engaged in further analysis regarding what distinguishes one Eco- Boost from another that exhibits great fuel economy..
My own SC 4x4 only delivers 13.8cty/15.8hwy with an average tank to tank of 13.8 mpg PERIOD!!
to (dieselone,kipk, mike4474)
While there have been several postings in multiple forums noting great fuel economy with the F150 Eco Boost platform, I believe it's worthy to note that not all owners boast the same results. Even though there were campaign adds (Ford), brochures and EPA publications noting phenomenal mpg projections, it's worth noting you need to fully understand what the drivers are evaluating.
Key to all statistical finds are the platform, trim levels, axle ratio, and habits of each driver. While I too was mesmerized by projections of 15/21 and 17 average overall, all is not what you read.
In anticipation of purchasing a rig that would deliver good fuel economy when used as a casual driver, the plan was to be able to pull a load when the occasion arose. So far the best I've seen city has been 13.8/16.0 hwy with an average tank to tank of 14.0mpg
By all means DO NOT let it idle, DO NOT perform jack rabbit starts, and DO NOT buy inferior fuel. All of these variables will result on poor fuel economy.
To even expect to get (ie 14.0cty/18.0hwy) as you might anticipate out of the average gas platform without turbos is unrealistic. As stated before for those advertising 15/22mpg their not driving a SC 4x4 with a 373 axle and maximum trailer tow package.
I would love a twin turbo ecoboost f-150. I'm sure mileage will improve after break in and all the bugs have been fixed in the first year models.
Re: Previous F.S.E./F.R.A.C.A.S. Engineer FoMoCo
Stay in touch.
I raised hell with Ford and said who is going to pay for the loss of gas mileage during this break in? They sent me free oil changes for 45,000 miles, 5000 mile intervales. I change it every 4000 miles!
I'm looking for a differant truck! This was my 5th King Ranch I love the way it drives but with gas costs, its not worth it!
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I was running highway miles around 17-18 1/2 at 65 to 75 mph but had seen up to 20 if I would do 55 miles an hour with a slight downhill from Arkansas to New Orleans without a tow.
Most of my mileage is short trips around town and this will be around 13 1/2 to 14 counting about a mile and a half of dirt/Gravel road and stopping for two gates daily. Without the idling and the gravel I think 15 would definitely be possible. Territory is flat to slightly rolling.
At just under 9000 miles my air conditioner belt shredded and ruptured the oil filter leading to a total loss of engine oil.
Just over 10,500 miles my check engine light was coming on.
I previously had noted ticking at idle from the engine around 2000 miles which continued. The dealer said it might be coming from the fuel rail/injectors.
After the light came on I needed a new catalytic converter, shield, and intercooler. They also made an adjustment got rid of the tick. I noticed a decline in mileage that was for the last 1500 or 2000 miles or so and so far on the highway I'm restored to 18 mpg at around 60 to 75 mph from where I dropped to about 16 mpg if not less.
All of this was covered under service bulletins.
Currently the intercooler is on national backorder, so there must be a pretty large problem with the situation. I read on previous post around page 11 of the water buildup that might be affecting some of this problem. I don't know if they are making any modifications as part of the service bulletin. This might help some of you that started out with good mileage and developed bad mileage as I did. Incidentally when the oil pressure was down I shut down the engine immediately before the automatic shut off occurred and before any overheating was indicated in the radiator coolant temperature. I have had no transmission problems at all.
OEM tire is 17" on alloy.
At 16,384 miles my rig has improved, up about 2 mpg city and highway with times if I wash, wax, and kiss her before taking it out she'll get incredible fuel economy. This does not, however, my me SURPRISED and DELIGHTED; as a consumer I feel I got hosed receiving no help and assistance from engineering. At $48,000/$58,000.00 a copy I really expected more customer support.
Depending on the route and speed 19.5/ 20.8 can be expected but the eco-boost with a 373 axle above 72 suffers with a severe decline in mpg.
Recognize if you add 3000 lbs to your work load, the Tundra might act a little different... I'm not suggesting the eco-boost is the answer because given it to do over I would be looking at other options but it does accelerate and will tow 9000/11,700 lbs without question.
Just the facts.....
It's called repeat buyers market ; I won't go back.