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2012 - 2013 Toyota Avalon

nceencee Posts: 419
I just had lunch with my local Toyota dealer who said "Man the new Avalon is simply stunning". "the one they showed was a very pretty Red with creme and walnut interior". "I think it looks most like the new Jaguar, but only a little, in the sense of looking like another car".

He went on to say, he thought it was the biggest change in any toyota in many, many years, and that if this is what the Avalon is going to look like, then he couldn't image what the new LS 510 was going to look like.

He also said that it WAS a car, and not a model, and that he would order one like the one he saw - for me, as he knew I'd likely want one:)

He didn't think there would be any or many photo's of it, for 6-8 months or so. They could take any electronic gear into the meeting when the saw the car:(



  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 2,238
    Toyota fell asleep at the wheel and while they were snoozing they let the Buick LaCrosse and Hyundai Genesis set the new benchmark for the upscale premium sedan market.
    As a former Avalon owner who now owns a Buick LaCrosse CXS it would have to take a homerun for me to return to the land of Toyota blandness
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 7,644
    You are just the person I want to talk to.

    I had an 06 Avalon... Loved It.

    Got an 09 Genesis.... hated the ride, sold it to a dealer and got out of the lease (with no damage to my wallet thankfully.)

    Now completely undecided, want to know your thoughts on the LaCrosse. How does it compare to the Avalon mainly in the ride. Does it ride pillow soft and isolated like the Avalon? It also doesn't appear as roomy as the Avalon.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • All reports indicate that the Buick line, especially the Lacross, is terribly underpowered. In order to get power comparable to the Avalon, you must upgrade lacross to the largest engine size available. Then, of course, you will suffer terribly in the MPG game. Stick with the Avalon, Lacross is terribly underpowered.
  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 2,238
    edited September 2011
    Buick LaCrosse One Year, 8000 miles and loving it

    I wrote this review one year ago when I was at 1000 miles and so far everything has changed for the better, except my overall MPG that has fallen from 19 to 18.10 mpg. Thanks GM and Buick for an extremely satisfying year.

    One Month, 1000 miles and Loving it by bwia Aug 20, 2010 (8:21 am)

    What can I say. After one month and 1000 miles [8000 miles now] of mixed driving my 2011 CXS has met and exceeded my expectations. Coming from a flawless Avalon I was looking for a car with similar characteristics: smooth, quiet, a great sound system, premium quality leather stitched together with excellent fit and finish and highway driving free of road noise.

    The CXS delivered on all of these except for cabin road noise, which is a little louder than expected for my tastes, on rough highway patches and bridge expansion joints. By comparison, my Avalon XLS was a little more quiet in terms of road noise but the opposite was true for wind noise. Perhaps the 19” inch wheels and Good Year RSA tires on the CXS might explain the cabin noise. However, on LaCrosse models with the 17” and 18” wheels the cabin road noise is more hushed than in the Avalon. So there is a tradeoff between 19” wheel aesthetics and decibel levels.

    So far I have no issues, knock on wood. The car has been flawless and fast. With the 3.6V, 280-hp engine, performance is abundant and immediate. The manual calls for regular gas but I use Shell premium. Buick will boost performance to 303-hp for model year 2012 while retaining the same MPG numbers.

    I am having a ball with all these technology features: The Xenon headlights are blindingly bright and it has brought confidence back to my night driving again. I would advice all future owners to get the Xenon because it is a small price to pay for such an improvement in night vision. Other important options I believe a buyer should consider are: Blind Side Zone Alert System, Back-up Camera, Heads-up Display and the touring package with adaptive suspension. Rear visibility is not a strong suite of the LaCrosse so the Back-up Camera is a real safety enhancement.

    Two things I care strongly about are the navigation and stereo systems. The navigation system works great but the map is not as detailed as my Magellan portable device. But it is certainly much better than in the Avalon. The Lacrosse’s nav works independently or in conjunction with OnStar and with the eNav feature you can download directions from MapQuest and Google maps directly to your car. Still, XM traffic is great and is well worth the extra $3.99 monthly fee.

    The sound system is very good but the bass sounds a little muffled (much better now), certainly not as clear as the JBL in the Avalon. I don’t have an iPod (yet?--still don't) so I have not yet used that feature but recording my CDs directly to the hard drive make a CD changer look primitive by comparison.

    On the road the car gives me pleasure as I drive each mile. The ride is firmer than the Avalon but not as taut as in the Genesis. I believe GM got it just right, plush but not floatty, firm but not hard. The handling is crisp, the car soaks out road bumps, and the adaptive suspension really does work. The adaptive suspension can best be explained as walking barefoot on gravel. You feel every pebble under your foot so you adjust your walking accordingly. I am averaging about 18.10 MPG overall, down from 19 mpg one year ago, because I do a lot of stop and go driving as well as I left the engine running idle on a couple of occasions for well over two hours. True story, the engine is so quiet that sometimes I forget to shut it off.

    Final verdict: The CXS is an alluring, upscale and great car! I like the looks of the 19” wheels but I hate the ride on rough roads. (Update: After break-in the ride has become very quiet and handling is superb especially in Sport Mode)

    tjc78, I hope this helps.
  • Sounds like a good vehicle. The only major differences I see are the mileage figures (bad), interior room (especially the rear seats), and rear visibility.

    I looked at one, but just could not give up the Avalon's 30 MPG on the road and the extra room, no matter how bland some folks think the styling is.
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 7,644
    Thanks, Bwia. I am going to test drive one soon.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Yes, in fact it will likely be a 2013 as they aren't announcing until the fall of 2012.

    This I knew and should have better stated it É sorry.

  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 4,693
    Saw a new Avalon last night and it is a stunning car...a little large for what we're looking for but it looked beautiful in the white color. At first, I thought it was a jaguar from the rear until my kid was able to read the name of the car from the chrome strip on the trunk. Very nice looking ride! Hopefully, this style will trickle down to the new Corolla...something similar to what Hyundai has done with the Sonata, Elantra & the Accent...that I'd be very interested in for the wife!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2009 Nissan Versa SL Hatch (daughter #1) / 2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Nice, but words aren't what I'm looking to see:)

  • nceencee Posts: 419
    It's nice, but that looks a lot like a Nissan badge on front?


  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 7,644
    That is a Nissan badge, because that picture was used for a Maxima concept a good while ago.

    Click Here

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • loucapriloucapri Posts: 214
    1) soft material inside
    2) optional seat memory
    3) HID option
    4) better leather quality
    5) 2nd row glass roof :)

    Most important = better looking
    Avalon always being viewed as BORING and Yes, I have to agree after owning 2 Avalon Limited. The inside is good, very comfortable (for me) but I still found hard plastic on the dash side.

    I just hope the new one (if Toyota plans to keep this line) will have the same back seat space as the current model. One reason we buy the Avalon is the near flat floor on the 2nd row, makes it easy to get in and out. Someone can actually use the middle seat :)
  • ushy66ushy66 Posts: 366
    edited April 2012
    Hey Guys-

    Check out the Toyota web site (! A really COOL/futuristic design with all the tech bells and whistles. AND, it reportedly will be coming out in a HYBRID version soon after the non-hybrid version. They will sell like hotcakes! Reportedly, will be available at dealers Fall of 2012.

  • potat0epotat0e Posts: 12
    This article gives pics of the new Avalon, and says deliveries start this summer.

    Looks good to me!
  • jeffm5jeffm5 Posts: 123
    I have a 2005 Limited that's been a great car. I'm ready to update, but I'm very disappointed in the looks of the 2013 Avy. That lower grill ruins what looks like an otherwise good looking car. I know many others may like that look, but it reminds me of a wide mouth bass. I'll be hanging onto my '05 awhile longer while I shop around. Maybe the look will grow on me.

    One of today's articles that I saw said that the rear seats no longer recline and still don't fold down. But, the trunk is larger.
  • It is great to finally see pictures of the 2013 Avalon, but is the front of the car UGLY !! The rest of it looks good, but I will bet that rear seat headroom is less. I have owned 3 avalons (03,06 and just bought a 2011 at a considerable discount). After seeing the pictures, I am so glad I bought the 2011. It is better than my 2006 which I loved, but it was starting to cost (tires,water pump,brakes and no where near as tight as the new 2011. I love the 2011 !! The dashboard glare can be annoying ,but unless the real thing looks better than the pictures, I will hold on to my supposed fuddy duddy looking 2011.
  • finfin atlantaPosts: 594
    While the "new" 2013 Avalon is perhaps new in appearance, it may be similar to the current model in many ways. But if this car is really all new...and it looks good to me except maybe the grille is a little bold.... then it might be best to wait for a second year edition to get the minor flaws worked out. The current generation got better as time passed, except for the headlight issue. There are dozens of posts in this forum and others warning about first editions of any new model.

    Now, if this is a "gotta have" in your garage, I agree, you write the check, you get the car. For me, I wait a while, see how much is new, how much is retained from the current model. The larger trunk is a great, backseat big enough, .....very tempting....... :)
  • ushy66ushy66 Posts: 366
    edited April 2012
    While I do like some elements of the front grill design, I agree it's a bit over the top---looks too much like the grill of the Hyundai Hybrid Sonata. I had hoped the design team in Ann Arbor would have come up with a better front end design closer to the front of the Tesla Model S Sedan ( which has a much better look with more graceful lines/appearance. However, since many of you all seem to not like the front end/grill appearance, keep up the chatter so Toyota will perhaps listen and modify the design to one that is more acceptable to more folks, as the final design may not yet be etched in stone. The new Avalon will probably not begin production for 1-3 months.

  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,054
    This big mouth bass approach surely will turn off a lot of owners thinking of upgrading.


    Still the best looking Toyota

  • carlupicarlupi Posts: 52
    I truly hope the 2013 Avalon does NOT have that hideous front design. The upper part looks like a hump whale with a Camry grill slapped on; the lower grille is ....well just plain UGLY.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Well if it looks as nice in person as it does in pictures, I'll keep my 2013 Dark Blue LTD one on order, and be real happy when I get it.

    - Quieter?
    - Low Noise Glass / Wipers?
    - Much Classier inside and out - IMO
    - Although it's only a bit smaller - not liking that (Yet)
    - AWD?
    - ??? $?
    - Fuel economy
    - Quieter and smother ride

    Rear seems to have more control, over the heat / air, that could be nice.

    Trunk doesn't look like it will be easy to get big things in and out of?

    Some of the above could sway me one way or the other.

    If I didn't have 3 business meeting here Saturday, I was all set to drive to NY, and check it out in person. Now I'll have to wait like everyone else until it hit's the dealers showroom floor.

    Now it's just a waiting game to see reviews from the industry to see what they have to say, that's if the reviews come in before we get to check it out in person. And reviews on cars are pretty much like reviews on just about everything else - nice guidelines for things to look out for, but by no means the final reason to buy or not buy anything.


    I will say, after checking out all the colors, the Cypress Pearl looks kind of nice, rich, interesting?
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Ok, so what would you like changed and what do you hope the 2013 Avalon has or keeps from previous models?


    - Rear Window Shade
    - Smooth and quiet run (BUT is even BETTER)
    - Reasonable pricing

    Has or are options:

    - Rear Window Shade (it looks like it does have one)
    - AWD
    - Rear Window Passenger Shades
    - Redesigned Grill (maybe 20% smaller)
    - GPS that can be used while driving (maybe a button on passengers side, for them)
    - GPS that can be up-dated by owners via email / internet
    - GPS you can up-load routes to (love this feature on my Garmin)
    - A bit better fit & finish. Mines nice, but not great, and the paint seems to scratch to easy.
    - Door Handle Scratch Guards. (Clear Poly is fine with me)
    - Left-hand side coin tray (great for tools and self service car washes)

    Has or is changed from what we see so far:

    - Smaller Grill (20% smaller would be nice)
    - Larger Trunk Opening
    - A Fancy "A" Logo for all the marking on the car (Instead of the "T" symbol).

    Entune? If you have to be stopped to use it?
    Entune? If you have to have a "Smart Phone" to get the most out of it?
    Entune? If it's a pay for service, how much for what?

    I travel a fair amount, and IF the traffic part of Entunes works and is accurate, I'll like it.
  • carlupicarlupi Posts: 52
    -Excellent current ride, quietness, reliability and fuel efficiency
    -Large interior space

    -More leg room for driver (more aft travel of driver's seat; there is plenty of space behind it)
    -More extension/further reach of telescopic steering wheel
  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 2,238
    Looks good but as others have mentioned that grill is out of character. Perhaps Toyota is smitten by the Audi and Chrysler 300 huge grill fettish but I'm not impressed.

    Still don't like the dash and console. It looks dated and staid even before it hits the showroom but I can live with it. Infotainment/telematics is now common in the cheapest of autos so I'm hoping that Toyota will give us something that is intuitive and easy to use. Basically voice activation for all basic functions.

    When it comes to price I am hoping that the top of the line should list for around $38K with navigation and the base model at $34K.
  • marv15marv15 Posts: 32
    Here is an excerpt "And speaking of faces: is that a gigantic chrome egg-crate- textured, horizontal water-melon hanging out of the front of the “all new, emotional” Toyota Avalon? Yet another “all new” Toyota face, another brand striving for consistent visual identity?

    “Faces” on cars do matter, folks! And not that many car companies understand that."
    from 2/

    This is the part of the new design I can't warm up to, it's overdone. I might stay with my 2011 Avalon.
  • potat0epotat0e Posts: 12
    The Detroit Free Press reports that the Japanese automaker told dealers at the National Automobile Dealers Association meeting in Las Vegas, NV recently that the next generation Avalon will get better fuel economy than the Fiat 500. Or, so this thing says: nomy/

    The big lower grill on the new design is getting a lot of criticism. I hope it looks better in person. It makes me think of Audis, which isn't bad.
  • marv15marv15 Posts: 32
    I don't mind a couple of dings on my front bumper, but now there is none. Also, if in NJ, where do you put the front license plate, unless they did away with it. Make the grill a little smaller, move it up to take the place of where the Toyota insignia is, and center it (replacing the smaller grill opening) between the head lights where the narrow smaller opening now is. Then you have an overall winner, and a car with a bumper returned (slightly ahead of the grill so if touched by another car, in parking, the bumper is touched first, not the grill) and a place to hang a plate. Just my humble thoughts. Other then that, this sounds like the best Avalon to date. If they do this, I'm a buyer. I hope they see the light and make the change. That seems to be the major complaint from all I've been reading, hopefully they read it too. As it is, I won't buy it, it's not practical. They didn't think it through. When they got rid of the old real chrome steel bumpers, to plastic that was one thing, but to get rid of a bumper in the front is nuts. Good luck to all.
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