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Mazdaspeed 3 Cold Air Intake Test
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Last year I finally got around to purchasing a cold air intake for my 2007 MS3. I decided to go with Mazdaspeed's own CAI(it's essentially the AEM CAI with a different filter and a splash shield) as Mazdaspeed claimed it added an additional 24 bhp. Rather than rely on the easily deceived butt dyno, I conducted before and after acceleration tests. In their June 2009 issue Grassroots Motorsports tested the AEM CAI for the MS3 using 3rd gear 30-70 acceleration times so I decided to follow suit. A nearby deserted two-lane served as the test site. My procedure was to floor the accelerator pedal at 25 mph, start the stopwatch at 30 mph, and stop it at 70. I made an equal number of runs in both directions. On both test days the ambient temperature was 88F and the relative humidity was 68%. The car had a full tank of BP 93, and the tires were inflated to the recommended pressure. After all runs were timed I threw out the highest and lowest run times in each direction and averaged the times of the remaining runs.
My results were:
30-70 mph stock filter : 5.67 seconds
30-70 mph Mazdaspeed CAI: 5.06 seconds(-0.61 seconds)
And just for giggles, I went back and checked the Grassroots Motorsports results:
30-70 mph stock filter : 5.45 seconds
30-70 mph AEM CAI : 4.85 seconds(-0.60 seconds)
Make of this what you will...
My results were:
30-70 mph stock filter : 5.67 seconds
30-70 mph Mazdaspeed CAI: 5.06 seconds(-0.61 seconds)
And just for giggles, I went back and checked the Grassroots Motorsports results:
30-70 mph stock filter : 5.45 seconds
30-70 mph AEM CAI : 4.85 seconds(-0.60 seconds)
Make of this what you will...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
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I'm thinking maybe 5-8 HP and most of that at full throttle only. So if you don't have your foot in it, I cant' see much of anything changing, because gas engines have a throttle plate to restrict air anyway.
it's possible you were working with better throttle response, which you will get with a CAI, and this translates into improved shifting and 0-60 times---but not due to horsepower.
I can't imagine Mazda leaving 20 easy HP on the table---I just can't. What, did they put a cinder block in their airbox? :P
Interesting result though. I may try it on my MINI just for grins.
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I'm thinking maybe 5-8 HP and most of that at full throttle only. So if you don't have your foot in it, I cant' see much of anything changing, because gas engines have a throttle plate to restrict air anyway.
it's possible you were working with better throttle response, which you will get with a CAI, and this translates into improved shifting and 0-60 times---but not due to horsepower.
No offense, but you must not have understood my test procedure- in a nutshell it was WOT in third gear, 30-70 mph. No shifting. Please explain the "too many variables" that I failed to isolate.
In any case, how do you explain an almost identical result from two identical independent tests? Shared delusions?
I can't imagine Mazda leaving 20 easy HP on the table---I just can't. What, did they put a cinder block in their airbox?
You'll have to ask Mazda, since they are the ones claiming that their CAI adds 24 bhp.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
c'mon, show me the dyno slip and I'll eat it in front of you, promise. :P
Still you encouraged me enough to try it on my own car. I'll look into it.
2/10ths of a second off 0-60.
1.The only additional component that could have possibly affected the dyno results was the exhaust- and Mazda does not claim that it adds any additional horsepower. But even assuming that isn't the case, are you now claiming that the exhaust was responsible for the majority of the hp gain?
2. Are you saying that 0-60 times have a direct relationship to 30-70 3rd gear times? In other words, a reduction of 2/10ths in the 0-60 time means that the 30-70 in-gear time cannot decrease by more than the same amount?
Why?
FYI, according to Car and Driver The 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 does 0-60 mph in 5.5 seconds while a 2012 ZL1 Camaro accomplishes the same feat in 4.1 seconds. However, both cars take the same amount of time -6.7 seconds- to go from 50-70 mph in 6th gear. Source: May 2007 and March 2012 issues.
3. You still haven't explained how GRM and I received essentially identical results from the same modification. Sheer coincidence? Identical errors? And you have yet to describe the "too many variables" that make the test methodology flawed.
c'mon, show me the dyno slip and I'll eat it in front of you, promise.
Mazdaspeed CAI dyno test
dyno slip from above test
Still you encouraged me enough to try it on my own car. I'll look into it.
I have never claimed that a CAI will always increase the horsepower on an otherwise stock car, no matter whether it is naturally aspirated or boosted. In the case of my 1995 BMW 3 Series, I knew that a CAI had essentially no effect on hp, so I installed a Turner/Conforti EPROM in the ECU and left it at that. I installed a CAI on my MS3 because my research showed that the Mazdaspeed/AEM CAI increased peak horsepower and torque by @10%. I haven't researched the potential gains on any car that I don't own.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
Also a turbo and SC engine might react differently to a CAI.
I can't say much about those dyno tests because I don't know how they were done or programmed. I was thinking it would be interesting to dyno your car and see if it justified your own testing or not.
I'd like to dyno my car in the future, but I'm going to probably go with an Autologic mapping of my ECM first off--it's more $$$ than a CAI but the results seem quite impressive---40 ft. lbs of torque!
I'm looking at the either the Cobb AP or the Hypertech programmer for my Mazda. My main concern is that I want to use the car at HPDEs and I want a very safe map that won't overstress the engine or turbocharger in a 30-45 minute track session.
After that I'm leaving the powertrain alone; next I'm going to install a set of Koni FSDs and four Bridgestone RE-11s on 2010 MS3 wheels. The car will still be a fine daily driver(I have a set of Cooper Zeon RS3-As on my stock wheels for winter) but it should be stout enough that I won't get blitzed by the other instructors during our track sessions(Well, there IS a 911 GT3 RS that I'll still have to point by... )
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
It will be a while before you'll give a GT3 any trouble LOL!
You know what they say---good tires and brakes is worth 50 HP on a track.
What you will get is a lot better throttle response so that could make the car seem faster. Also MPG has to be measured over a length of time.
A CAI doesn't do anything a SRI can't do for the MS3. If you think the CAI yields alot of power, wait till you get a tune and unleash the torque.
Mazda tuned the car extremely conservative from the factory. This is what the car is capable of with bolt ons on stock turbo.