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Don't get me wrong, I love the passenger space in the newer cars (and don't miss the lack of it at all in the previous Forester or Outback, especially the rear seat room), but they gave up so much when they changed them - much of which didn't have to be given up at all (such as handling characteristics).
John
I already pulled some wires and had the GPS fixed that anyone looks at it thinks it is built in.
If you want I can take a shot at it.
Laszlo
Sure, take a shot. I'd like to see how it turned out.
BTW, what kind of mileage are you getting?
Smokey100
As for milage I'm not sure yet. I got about 300 miles on the machine. That is peacefull city driving and a couple of highway spurts up to about 75Ml/Hr. It is the break in period. One thing I know is that what i do and the way i drive the car is far from my normal driving so it doesn't even count. With my WRX on a 340 Mile run I could have $11.00 difference driving at 75 Ml/Hr or 90 Ml/hr. I will be going to a run next Sunday wich is about 250 miles there and back, after that i can give you a more accurate figure.
After a 1000 Miles will have an oil change then will be a bit of pushing.
You can download the images from the server I have posted on. Here is the link;
https://www.rapidshare.com/files/1832616218/2014 Forester.zip
I was pulling the power from the center console storage box to the GPS, and the second wire is the AUX audio In from the GPS to the radio.
Hope it is clear enough.
Laszlo
Was wondering if you are noticing any jerky motions when you are decelerating? I had heard this is one of the properties of the Subaru CVT transmission.
I know you are still in the engine break in but do you have any impressions as to low end torque?
Thanks
CVT has been around since the 1950s. Invented by a guy nam Doorne. I think he was from Holland. See the search page:http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&gs_rn=7&gs_ri=psy-ab&cp=7&gs_id=io&xhr=t&q=DAF+- cvt&es_nrs=true&pf=p&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=DAF+cvt&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.- 2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44442042,d.aWM&fp=a79852190abe30d9&biw=1680&bih=966
Why I put it here bacause it is easier to relate to the mechanics if you know how they work.
Answer to your question is no, I feel no jerkiness at all. The only time there is some when you manually down shift. Unless you are accostumed to drive standard you will downshift to fast and might even accelarate since you don't work 3 pedals. To my knowledge the american produced CVT's had some serioues issues (Ford GM etc) and multiple recalls. My point is that CVT is not new especially in Europe and Japan.
As far as I know the Forester Turbo for 2014 got the Legacy's tranny and reason was because of its capacity annd size could handle the torque of the turbo and it is using steel chains as drive belts.
About the low end torque? I have tried some hills and had no problem. I haven't even switched it into sport mode yet.
Laszlo
http://www.odec.ca/projects/2007/viva7s2/cvts2.htm
Bob
I am under the impression that the Xt's CVT is the same as the one in the turbo diesel with CVT sold in Australia. The diesel's low rpm torque is about like that in the 2.0T. The Legacy CVT and engine are the same as the NON turbo Forester.
I have tried the car today on a 15% inclined asphalt road. It would pick up without any effort from 0 to 60 Ml/Hr. Also I got since I'm in Canada on a 200KM run 11.8 Liter/100Km of avarage fuel consumption. That was on backroads and some highway and not over 75Ml/Hr.
Laszlo
Which is most likely the same as the Legacy DIT.
Thanks!
Thanks
Can someone tell us what rpm you get @ 60mph cruising?
It may actually vary, but I mean steady cruising.
Cruising at 60mph in an XT? Is this an April Fool's joke? :P
So long as non-turbo owners report revs at the same speed.
Laszlo
Any non-turbo owners who can check?
I'm sure this is more secure than the old frameless doors.
So not unheard of but far from common.
An Acura RDX awd? The new XT Touring is the same price as a minimally equipped RDX now! Warranty and service might both be better. Fuel economy for the six is probably not as good. The lack of all weather package availability on the XT Premium at $30k kills it in the northern states. At $35k for the Touring, alternative choices may be better. My 2010 Forester XT Limited looks more like a keeper every day; it was less than $29k.
I wonder if they get it in Canada?
I wonder if they get it in Canada?
Even if they do it's usually higher priced there.
I think it is time for an Impreza 2.0T automatic to be added to the mix.
And tune it like the 2010-2013 Forester XT for off-the-line performance; it doesn't need to be even close to the WRX's horsepower. 87 octane, of course.
You ask then why did I change? I'm 72 years old and my wife had a hip replacement. Also I'm am a fast driver and the Forester might slow me down a bit. Sort of.
A CVT, which Subaru would use, is instantaneous.
They say 6-8 weeks, but I ordered one to get the color and options we wanted and we had it in just 5 weeks.
1. Best track record of safety rating of previous forester.
2. Best all wheel drive in the class.
3. Premium model has power seat while Rav4's XLE model does not have. Also, the power seat is better than RAV4's power seat (Limited) since it give you more angle to adjust: The front end of the seat goes down further so that it will not reduce the blood flow like RAV4.
4. Highest ground clearance: 8.7 in vs 6.3 in.
However, a few things I think Subaru needs to improve on this model:
1. The quality of cruise control is not acceptable. The position of the button is not good and it is not smooth to toggle. Among my other cars, Toyota's cruise control is the best and Honda accord's is reasonably good.
2. The style is so so, wondering why Subaru can not learn from the style of best looking luxury cars on the market? I think Subaru needs to revolutionize their designs. The front grill needs to look better. In my view, outback is the only handsome car in Subaru's line.
3. It does not have a tray to put my garbage in.
In all, the pros outweighs the cons by far. That is why I purchased 2014 Forester.
Also, glad that Forester did not use low profile tires which cause problems of damaging the expensive aluminum tires resulting from hitting the potholes on the road.
I agree that huge 19-20" rims on crossovers don't make much sense.
This car was a base model in steel silver, and I see that they went back to the painted steel wheels of last decade versus the basic steely with hubcab they used on the 2009-13. I don't mind those; I use a set (nearly - from an '07 Forester) just like them for my winter wheels. I like the even more increased interior passenger space. The dash layout is a blocky step backward from last gen, but otherwise the inside looked neat, spacious, and functional, which are all good qualities for an interior.
So, the XV continues to look like the next replacement for my '03 Forester.
John
I guess I was just shocked at how repulsive it looked in person to me, as the photos don't give me that impression. The fail is in the details on this one. In contrast, I think the Impreza looks awful in photos (particularly the back end), but don't mind it at all in person. The XV is a visual improvement over the Impreza, as it looks far better balanced given the "fat booty" body style of the Impreza.
I also like the looks of the Impreza Sport over the XV. The front fascia of the XV with the integrated fog lights is nicer than the Impreza with "tacked on" fog lights, but I don't care for the rear fascia or the "aftermarket" wheel arch moldings. And the Sport wheels are way better looking than the XV wheels. But, I would like another 1.5" more ground clearance on my Impreza Sport.
P.S. My Impreza Sport doesn't have a fat a.., it's full figured.
Hah! Touche.
With a little more ground clearance, the Impreza would look better balanced even without the extra cladding treatment of the XV.
For the Forester, I think my biggest issues with gen4 are the buggy, protruding lights (front and rear) on it, as well as the flat, uninspired sheet metal on the sides. There's just no life to it. Heck, despite the overall unappealing proportions of the gen1 (98-02, IIRC?), even that car had more life to its shape than the new one.
FWIW, my wife doesn't really like the "nose" on our car when viewed directly from the side either. She says it reminds her of a big shoe. :P
Everything being equal, if I had to pick a (non-performance oriented) Subaru product to buy tomorrow, it would be a manual trans Impreza/XV.
OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
Kidding. :shades:
I think the Gen 4 can be a big shocking, but my guess is it will age well. They didn't want to play it too safe.
But, with the '03's noisy frameless front windows, I'm ready for a new car.
John
I had a 98 Outback sport 5 speed. Loved the shape the space, road clearence but missed a good turbo on it. Then I got a 2007 WRX, again it got it all but the space. Power, comfort for two people, speed and vicious acceleration. Loved it. From 2008 the WRX looked like any other car on the road with silly light all around. No character at all.
I would never looked at the Forester because it looked like a low slung Jeep with a different grille. A box made of lego. It was missing the Subarus bad boy look.
I picked this time the 2014 Turbo Forester because it is different from the others by its look. It has a good suspension to match the power and the 2.0 L Turbo engine from the WRX. Yes it is autiomatic but you can over ride with the paddles at ANY mode. two sport mode and the X-drive that actually works. It can take off like a rocket with no effort. Downshift without a glitch with the paddles in normal auto but when you gun it just start pushing seamlesly all the way up. Of course in manual you will "change" the gears. Today I drove it first time in a snow and ice storm and barely used the brakes because I was able to downshift to about 5-7 Ml/Hr speed. The all wheel drive with the dynamics control is almost scary how sure footed it is. It definitely beats most cars on the road. On the negative side I hate the dozens of lights and the multitude of silly displays inside. It is like a bloody X-mas tree . But today all cars are like that.