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Thanks for the info. I hope I don't need all the stuff that your Jeep did. I'll be it would be pretty expensive.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
P.S.
Two years now without a smoke. Thanks for your encouragement early on in my quit.
Yeeeeeeeehhhaaaaaaaaaaawwww.
I intended to e-mail you on the second anniversary of not smoking. I don't know why I just forgot it. That's what you have to put up with from the elderest statesman on the forum (I think).
Anyway, congratulations. Not many of us understand what a real accomplishment it is.
Terry
Do you think the problems I had and the one Tom is experiencing have any connection to the recall we have been hearing about?
Terry
Ironically, it was freezing rain/snow last night, and I had no problem with the tires--I don't drive fast EVER (well, me jeep plain out can't! ), but I heard that the MT's aren't that great in icy conditions. If anyone is avoiding these tires because of this possibility, I assure you that if you drive wisely when conditions warrant, they are not a danger.
Ryan
Anyway, that's what it is showing.
I'll probably change the spark plugs tomorrow, since I need to do that anyway, but I have my doubts that bad plugs are the source of my troubles.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
P.S. Mac, in your first post in response to my cry for help you mentioned distributor cap and plug wires (not sure if you mentioned plug wires). Thelma Jane is an 01, and she has distributorless ignition.
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/userpics/10054/Jeep1.jpg
http://www.allpar.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=549
-Paul
It must have gone up in smoke Tom!
Sales are doing good:
"The icon of the Jeep brand, Jeep Wrangler, posted sales of 5,363 units, an increase of 17 percent over December 2004 sales of 4,573 units." link (PR Newswire)
Steve, Host
Still a happy camper.
Thanks Tom
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Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I was hoping that you wouldn't realize that until after you'd bought them, then you could send them to me for spares. :P
P0300 is 'multiple misfires' which, as you said, doesn't help much. Change the plugs, which is necessary anyway, and see if anything changes. Personally, I'd use the standard Champions, which we know work well.
Does it do it at any other time, i.e. when stopped in traffic for instance?
No, she runs fine except for restarts. Her cold starting is fine, and she runs great at all times, other than those few seconds after a restart.
I have already bought some Champions. Did that at lunch just a short while ago.
Thanks, Mac.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I like the modular top idea. Thank God they are staying with solid axles and removeable doors!
I guess an owner of the 07 will have to use a hand throttle or grow an extra leg.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
At least you can keep mobile. Make sure to put a little anti-seize on the threads before you install them. Make removal so much easier next time.
It's possible, if it turns out to be an O² sensor problem. I think the main thrust of the recall concerns faulty catalytic converters though.
I'm with ya on the anti-seize, if I can ever get the old plugs out. WOW! Those things are IN THERE!
I'm afraid to use too much torque, because I sure don't want to break one of the old plugs off.
OK, Jeep Buds, whup your suggestions on me for loosening those old plugs. I have sprayed them with PB Blaster about three times now. I plan to do that some more. What else?
Would those old plugs come out easier with the engine warm or cold?
I've been using a 3/8" drive power handle with an extension on the socket. I have a 5/8" spark plug socket, but it has no foam rubber inside it. Do I dare go to a 1/2" drive power handle and get the extra leverage due to its greater length compared to the 3/8" power handle?
HELP!
Tomster
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
tidester, host
Go to a 1/2" drive as it will allow you more control as well as more leverage. When the plug starts to turn, stop, then re-tighten it a little. Repeat the process, loosening and tightening, until the plug is removed. Don't try to remove it in one go as it's easy to end up stripping the thread that way. If you have an airline handy, use a blow gun to clear any debris from around the base of the plug before you start, then do it again just before the plug finally comes loose.
I am just now reading the replies, and I see that you recommended the half inch drive, Mac. That's what I used, and that's what did the trick. I also used a honking big extension, about 18". Couldn't use that on #6, but was able to use it on the others.
I just made sure I was applying the torque exactly along the axis of the plug, so that I didn't break one off. It was actually pretty easy when I put the right tools to use.
I applied some anti-seize on the new plugs before installing them, and I also used some dielectric grease on the top end of the plugs where the boot slips over them.
I was given Champion RC12PEC5 plugs when I asked for spark plugs for an 01 Wrangler with the 4.0L engine. Well, the original plugs were Champion RC12ECC's. I found out that the new plugs were platinum, and I was told that they would work. I thought I remembered reading on another forum that people had bad experiences with platinum plugs in their Jeeps, and I found some posts to that effect when I checked. So, I bought some standard RC12ECC plugs and will take the others back to the auto parts store where I bought them. Champion is changing the part numbers, and it got confusing. The part number that shows up on the auto parts computer is 3034 (platinum) or 438 (the standard plug). The boxes have both numbers on them, 3034 and RC12PEC5 (platinum), and 438 and 12RCECC (standard), but the plugs themselves have only the RC numbers.
Now here is the ripoff of the century, and I cannot believe that people actually buy the stuff!!! Prestone antifreeze was $9.89 per gallon at the Autozone that I went to today to get the right plugs. But, they also had it already conveniently mixed 50/50 with water for $8.39 per gallon. ARE PEOPLE REALLY THAT DUMB????? Must be, because the guy that helped me said he has pointed out to people that they are getting ripped off, and they insist on buying the pre-mixed stuff anyway.
Tomster
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
P.S. I'm no expert on spark plugs, but the ones that I took out looked OK to me. The electrodes were still there, the gap looked about right, and there were no deposits on the tips.
Yup.......not only that but lazy too, which is why it sells. Did you buy some of the concentrated stuff? Make sure to use distilled water to mix it with if you did.
Did you check the plug gaps? They're normally ok, but sometimes I find side electrode is set to one side or the other, which shortens the life of the plug even if the gap remains ok.
I checked the gap, Mac, and the plugs all seemed to be OK. Didn't really check the position of the center electrode, but I think I would have noticed if one had been off very much.
I left the battery disco'd the whole time I was working on Thelma Jane, and that cleared that MIL code. Maybe she won't misfire any more, and that code won't come back.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Fingers crossed!
I would have never imagined Thelma Jane missing a spark plug change. ;-) I don't believe I have ever met another soul (besides myself) that loves his Jeep so much! Though,I must confess, I have not named my Rubicon---well I do call her Rubi, and after seeing the 07s I'm glad I bought her when I did, though maybe the new ones will grow on me a little, particularly the 4 door models.
On another note, our 04 Grand Cherokee is about to hit 36K and we've had more problems with her than I care to count. Btw, none of them related to the 70K powertrain warranty. But I still like her, so I guess we'll keep her a while longer. I've knocked out the diff fluid changes, but I need to do the transfer case and the auto tranny fluid in the coming month as well as the spark plugs!
Terry
All I have done so far is just start her up and let her run a couple minutes. I have not tried one of those "warm" restarts that have been the problem.
I really don't expect to see any difference. Those old plugs looked awfully good to me.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jee today?
Thanks
Ryan
Try drilling them out. That should do the job on the ones with the head stripped, but the ones that have the threads stripped and turn freely might be another matter. You might need to use a punch and knock those puppies out.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I'm considering a used jeep wrangler so I can have some fun/midlife crisis and my daughter can drive to school (2 miles) and around town. Both my wife and daughter are small, however, so I want the depowered airbags. Any idea when Jeep starting depowering airbags?
Thanks.
Some generic details here:
The Evolution of Front Airbags
What Type of Front Airbags Does My Car Have?
Steve, Host
I had started at Edmunds and thought that I would need a 2000 or newer b/c that's when they first list it. Intellichoice, however, lists depowered airbags in 1998.
http://www.intellichoice.com/reports/vehicleReport/vehicle_nmb/100004446/type/us- ed/year/1998/make/Jeep/model/Wrangler
That seems pretty early (thanks for the evolution of airbags article). Is there anyone out there with a 1998 that knows? Or is willing to take a quick look at their manual regarding the airbags? Anything about "second generation" or "next generation" or "depowered" airbags?
Thanks in advance.
Although there was nothing intrinsically wrong with the '97s, there were various changes made through to '98 as feedback was received. Airbags notwithstanding, I'd recommend look for something from '98.5 model year onward. This will also get you the later vacuum/electric HVAC controls.
How can you tell if a 98 is 98 or 98.5 - by the HVAC controls?
Also, any input on the 4 vs. 6 cyl? This would be a strickly on-road car - just want the 4wd for winter, the top down for summer and the overall fun factor.
thanks
The lesser power of the 2.5 I4 is actually less noticable off road than on. Fuel consumption is about the same, but on road performance is much superior with the 4.0 I6. I've never heard of anyone with the 4.0 wishing they'd gone for the 2.5.
Is the softtop relatively secure? I assume with the hard top I could leave golf clubs in it...I assume I couldn't do that with the soft top. Although in golf season is when the top would be down anyways...
What about soft top and a parking sticker? Is it secure enough for my parking sticker (which has to be portable to my other car. Or could someone just unsnap it and pull out my sticker?
Thanks again...I appreciate the input.
There is NO security with the soft top - it has zippers so anyone can obtain access to it. I just hope that the person who breaks into mine notices the zippers and doesn't cut the top (the normal thing that happens). Best suggestion is to not leave anything in it. As far as parking sticker - we leave ours in the vehicle all the time and have never had a problem. How valuable is your parking?
-Dan
Here's another 2007 Wrangler article from a pretty cool Jeep site.
http://jweb.jrations.com/07wrglr/07wrglr_index.php
-Paul
There's more talk about it in the 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser 4X4 discussion.
Steve, Host
Tomster
Have you hugged your Jeep today?