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  • jlittererjlitterer Posts: 39
    Can anyone tell me what type of gas mileage they have been getting on their Jeep Liberty

    Thanks Jeff
  • 17.1 to 17.5 mpg for driving composed of 75-80% city (start-up idling, stop-and-go, etc.) and 20-25% highway calculated on an operating time basis (rather than by mileage traveled). This is for cool to cold-weather driving with the V6, 4WD, standard transmission with less than 2K miles on the engine.
  • jimlockeyjimlockey Posts: 265
    The guys with the automatic transmission don't get what you guys with stick shifts get. They get 15 and below. When people start driving the Liberty with a diesel they will see the average MPG go up about 30 percent. Those of us who have driven diesels for a while use a term called torque and understand what it means. For example, when you are cruising down the highway with a lot of hills you don't get near as much down shifting with a diesel as gas engines because of the extra torgue. Even around town, after you shift into the last gear, it is much easier to hold a 40 or so MPH with little down shifting. The extra torque keeps our vehicles in overdrive much longer. Therefore better MPG, and on long trips this results in more miles without refueling. Yea, I know, diesel is hard to find and stinks. Well so does gasoline and you learn how to buy and deal with diesel. Believe me, it is not hard to find. You learn how to love it.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,462
    The Editors' Review has been recently updated.

    And there's a Special Report on Diesel Developments that may be of interest.

    Steve, Host
  • jsstoverjsstover Posts: 40
    I will have to agree with Jim on this, but diesel isn't as bad as its made out to be. My wife has the diesel jetta and we absolutely love it. Its a little loud when its first started and cold, but once its warmed up, purs like a kitten. We average between 48-50 mpg with and automatic. She's pretty easy on the accelerator, so it might not be quite normal.
    Diesel isn't too difficult to find here in Columbus, Ohio. It just takes a little "re-programming" to look for it. I hope most commerical stations begin to offer the USLD fuel, or maybe even 80/20 blend with biodiesel.
  • ozone1ozone1 Posts: 87
    After 12000 miles in 60-40 City/Highway driving in hilly terrain, we are averaging 16.1 MPG
  • Thanks for the link, however I believe it has some inaccuracies. Biodiesel is indeed available to the American public. There are lots of people running around with biodiesel-powered VWs and trucks, and there is an oil company a mile or two from my house that will sell biodiesel to anyone with money (an occurance that is seemingly getting more rare these days unfortunately).

    I'm personally looking forward to the diesel Liberty, and I have been entertaining thoughts of picking up a used one as a second vehicle in 3 or 4 years. By then, we may have that low-sulfur diesel and the really nice diesels from Europe may have replaced the current crop. In that case, I may go for a new diesel Liberty. Well, I have plenty of time to think it over.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    Is there an ETA on the diesel Liberty?

    My mom has a 2003 Sport and I was really surprised by how much I liked it. Nice styling, plenty of room, good ride, etc.

    I could never deal with the MPG in a DD though. but I would definitely consider the diesel version.
  • jimlockeyjimlockey Posts: 265
    Acording to a UK site the 2.8L diesel gets 34+ highway, 21+ city and a combined 28+MPG. All that depends on how hard you push it! When Jeep goes with the diesel it will have the best mileage of all the SUV's.

    As for the ETA, I've heard July, but don't hold me to that. I figure it will be August or September.
  • bmw323isbmw323is Posts: 410
    I recently test drove a Liberty and 4Runner back to back. I am probably going to buy one of them. My thoughts and questions are:

    The Lib's seats seemed narrow and short on thigh support (in the Limited). Like you were sitting on top of them instead of in them. Any thougts? Are the Sport seats better?

    Foot room also seemed lacking in each seat. In the rear, toe room was a problem. In the front, the space was very narrow in the footwell. And the floor isn't very flat anywhere.

    On the plus side, low end torque seemed much better than the Toyota. How is the high end? On my test drive I couldn't get much past 45 mph.

    The Liberty's ride was more sporty, but more bouncy than the 4Runner, which is probably expected (kind of like a small car compared to a bigger car) although the Liberty is only a few hundred pounds lighter. Is the ride and comfort satisfactory on longer trips?

    For off-road, I expect both vehicles to do well. The 4Runner has a little more ground clearance, but the Liberty has a shorter wheel base.

    It's a tough decision. The Toyota is bigger and better equipped. The Liberty is more fun to drive. Both are now offering nice incentives. The Liberty would be about $5,000 less cost (for me) and lower insurance, although it depreciates much faster. I appreciate others' thoughts.
  • jondavidjondavid Posts: 28
    The new Toyota wasn't out or at least I didn't know about it when I bought an 02 Liberty Limited.

    Thoughts:

    Seats - I too found them short compared to my 90's model accord, but still comfortable. Took me a while to get used to them, but I have taken several highway trips, some as long as 12 hours and found it to be very comfortable (Limited model). I have also seen shorter seats in other new models. Suspect "games" are being played with interior measurements - shorter seats means more leg, knee room etc. I sat in a Sport model, and found the seats very thin and uncomfortable. Not sure how they feel on a long road trip.

    Jeep ride is somewhat truck-like, but to me it feels smooth and comfortable. Some trucks aren't. I would think the Toyota could be more comfortable with a longer wheelbase.

    Room - Liberty seems more compact to me, but I don't have any problems riding to work or on road trips, either in front or rear seats. Some Jeeps are narrow by tradition, if you ever go off-road and see some of the road width's you'll see why. Easy to see some off road heritage there. If the extra width is important to you, go with the Toyota. I came from an accord, which felt as if it had much more interior width, but I don't miss it.

    Power seems fine to me, but you really should try both vehicles on an interstate - I'd steer clear of any dealership that won't let you.

    I bought the G package, with all the bells and whistles (heated leather seats, radio controls on steering wheel, sentry and theft alarms, smoked glass, power heated mirrors, power steering, abs brakes, Selectrack 4wd, speed controlled locking doors, towing and off-road package, outside temperature, compass, gas mileage, distance to empty and so on). If the Toyota has much more, it must really be loaded!

    Off road, I took my Liberty up a narrow road from a friends cabin in the Tennessee mountains. Road width was only a few inches wider than the Liberty, with drop-offs several hundred feet down. The liberty climbed a very steep, angled, muddy road with little to no effort at all, in 4 wheel drive.

    My only concern was reliability when I bought it. More than a year later, it's still trouble free, quiet and fun to drive. I just finished a thorough underside inspection this past weekend. I especially checked every metal to metal joint on the engine, transmission, transfer case, and front and rear differential pinions. Not a leak, in fact not even any weeping at the joints.
    Bone dry. This after 6 months of almost daily driving over Interstate under construction that is broken, pothole filled and very rough in stretches 10 miles long. So I'm pleased so far.

    Engines - I prefer cast iron engine blocks in vehicles that can go off road with a low range transfer case, as they can get to some places that will cause your vehicle to really take a pounding.

    Fortunately, you get that with the Liberty and the V8 model Toyota. If you don't ever plan to off road, I doubt it would matter.
    Touch choice - Toyota looks like a great vehicle. I think if you get the V8 equipped Toyota, you'll have more torque than the Jeep. I'm guessing since I haven't driven one. Looks like it comes down to price and preference.
    &;
    Sounds like you might like the Toyota a little better already. I'd go for the Toyota if you like it better, even at 5 grand more. The only thing about the Toyota I wasn't sure of when I saw the first pictures was the cladding on the non Limited models. I like the Limited models much better in both the Jeep and the Toyota.
  • bmw323isbmw323is Posts: 410
    Great post - thanks for all of the input.

    Seats - I think you are right in the seating size versus legroom theory. I'm coming from a '95 Ford Ranger STX and it has more room and bigger seats.

    Room - the Liberty looks and feels pretty small, but others have complimented it on its roominess. It is certainly much taller than most small/mid size SUV's. With the back seats upright, there isn't much room behind them.

    The 4Runner has more electonic gizmos, like traction control, stability control, hill decent control and hill start assist - all standard. Some of those have value to me and some don't. I wasn't planning on buying a loaded Liberty. I just can't figure out why Jeep doesn't put ABS and Cruise on their base models. Even the Limited doesn't have ABS standard. The dealer tells me that ABS generally comes packaged only on the higher equipped models.

    Engines - I was planning on the V6 4Runner with 245 HP and 283 ft/lb. of torque. I know it is a new aluninum engine, but Toyota has an excellent track record so I'm pretty comfortable there. I will do some off roading (live in Colorado) and the size and shorter wheel base of the Jeep would be beneficial in that regard.

    Toyota has realized their design error on that cladding. They have stopped doing the gray wheel and bumper cladding. Now they all look like the Limited style on the outside.

    You're right that I'm leaning toward the Toyota. Reliability was going to be my deciding factor. I'm glad your Liberty is problem free. Thanks again the your thoughts. This is one quiet board!
  • I've had a Liberty for about 18 months now. I've had it in 3 feet of water (amazingly none leaked inside), bounced over river rocks, jumped over sand dunes and have climbed through many hair raising off road trails in central washington. Not once has it stalled, lost traction (even with the street tires), it has no squeeks, rattles or other signs of wear. This thing is built like a tank. Plus I get 16 mpg around town and an astonishing 24 on the hwy (according to my overhead computer).

    If this thing can do this kind of work and survive only like a Jeep can, imagine how well it will handle normal every day driving.

    Another bonus is the warranty. At the time it was a free 7 year/100,000 mile powertrain but now it is a 7 year/70,000 mile powertrain.

    My advice is Get the Jeep and never look back.
  • Fellas, if you fold down the rear seats, can you, theoretically, have a good sleep in a Liberty? I know that rear seats don't go all the way into the floor. How much do they stick out? And what's the distance between the back of front seats and the swing gate, inside the vehicle? Thank you!
  • Does anyone kkow when the 2004 Libertys will be out??? I don't know if I should wait or buy now.
  • Inquiring minds want to know if there are any Chicagoland dealers dealing. Thanks!

    Tom
  • nels1nels1 Posts: 25
  • ohmike1ohmike1 Posts: 2
    I have an '03 Liberty Ltd. and the vehicle has been flawless....until the other day. At 6600 miles and without warning, it suddenly lost power, jerked violently and the engine raced (over 4500rpm) even though I couldn't go over 35mph. My local dealer says the transmission needs to be replaced. I'd appreciate any thoughts/suggestions. In particular, would a major repair like this in a new vehicle effect resale? Thanks in advance.
  • forestergumpforestergump Posts: 119
    Try the internet sales manager at Continental Jeep in Countryside. I got a great price quote from him a couple months ago for a Liberty, but the deal fell through because I couldn't sell my current car for the price I needed.
    -Bob
  • steverstever Posts: 52,462
    I think to Honda CR-V vs Jeep Liberty. Lots of heat getting generated over in there. Wear your flame suit!

    Steve, Host
  • jregen7243jregen7243 Posts: 91
    Anyone have a problem with wind noise from drivers side front door? I have a 01/03 build Liberty and the wind noise above 50mph is pretty bad....even worse when it's very windy out. I'm going to have the dealer look at it, but was wondering if it was just my vehicle.

    -Jon
  • Can anyone tell me how (or if) you can re-program features such as turning off the automatic door locking (at 24 MPH) if the vehicle does not have the overhead console (Electronic Vehicle Information Center).

    Also, has anyone added the overhead console (at a dealer or after-market dealer). How much did it cost, how difficult is it to install.

    Thanks for any help(or suggesting another website with this info)
  • azlibertyazliberty Posts: 2
    Jon,

    I've had the same wind noise on my Liberty. I just assumed that was normal. If you want some real noise try it with the rear windows down about halfway and the front windows up.

    Rod
  • jglackinjglackin Posts: 164
    mitch55, your local dealer will have to hook up the computer (DRB) to the Liberty to turn that feature on/off.
  • azlibertyazliberty Posts: 2
    Can anyone tell me if the front suspension skid plate still comes standard on the 2003 Liberty (4x4)?
  • dieselbreathdieselbreath Posts: 243
    Last wednesday, a local 13 year-old gir was killed when a Liberty rolled over.
    At 1:30 in the afternoon, three sisters were in the libery (the 19 year-old driving) on a perfectly straight, flat highway in the fast lane (speed limit 100kmph/62MPH). They just crossed a small creek, (and the road has a gentle rise and drop over the bridge) when it suddenly veered over to the right shoulder for about 130 feet, then off the road and rolled. The 2 older girls survived, but the youngest one was pinned in the Liberty and died on the scene.

    What's unusual, is that the RCMP have a specialist examining the vehicle, and in 20 years of reading the Vancouver Sun with fatal accidents every week, the only time I recall them mentioning a mechanical investigation is for brake failures on dump-trucks. I've never seen mention of an investigation of a passenger vehicle. So it sounds like the RCMP suspect a problem with the Liberty itself.

    Has anyone encountered anything weird with the steering/suspension?
  • kullenbergkullenberg Posts: 283
    One has to wonder if this could have been the result of a lower ball joint failure, that was discussed here, and elsewhere. dieselbreath, if you find out more, please post
    Cheers
    Pat
  • jondavidjondavid Posts: 28
    Do you have a link to the story?

    thanks
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    You can read the story at the Vancouver Sun.

    Unfortunately, it doesn't contain much detail.

    tidester, host
  • colorado1974colorado1974 Posts: 177
    Sounds like careless driving to me. I can see how an unexperienced driver can overcorrect with a slight fluctuation in the road as you described. Any car in that situation would act the same way if one tire got caught in the soft shoulder after the terrain you described.
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