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In any event, it seems that Mazda is milking the Protege 5 a bit too much. The ES level sedan is already pricey for this class (nice to be sure, but still pricey), and then they come out with Protege 5 with no mechanical, equipment or interior improvements over the ES and they add on another $800. That wouldn't be so bad (maybe the different body style is more expensive), but they do not offer the car in the more affordable LX trim. Compare that with the Elantra GT, which is a $1,000 more than the Elantra sedan, but comes with a host of improvements over the sedan along with the bumb in price.
Enough of that. I got a brochure on the Protege 5 from a dealer, and it has some specs. on the car, if anyone is interested.
Highlights:
Standard equipment: 16 inch alloy wheels w/ 195/50R16 V-rated tires; leather wrapped tilt steering wheel; power windows, locks; remote keyless entry; cruise control; 4 speaker radio/cd player; AC (more).
Optional equipment: ABS brakes with side air bags (front); power sliding glass moonroof; 4-speed automatic transmission; (more).
Engine: 2.0 L, 16 valve 4cyl. 130 HP @ 6000 RPM; 135 SAE torque @ 4000 RPM (25 mpg city, 31 hwy with manual trans)
4-wheel disc brakes.
Passenger volume: 92.6 cubic feet. Cargo volume: 19.8 cubic feet (rear seats up).
In Canada, ABS is standard, and Air Conditioning, moonroof and automatic are options. Side air bags are not available at all.
In the US, Air Conditioning is standard, and ABS with side airbags, moonroof and automatic are options.
Just a little strange.
Nomi
Sometimes we wish we could hold the world in our hands...
YOu mentioned the 'S-Plan', what's that? Also, I'm about buy a new Protege, any advice? I'm going to buy a book on purchasing a new car tonight, and I've read some of the stuff here on Edmunds regarding Dealer HoldBack, anything else I should know? How much should the dealer back off of the MSRP?
Anyone have MSRP information for the MP3? Im going to call a dealer and I'll post it when I get it.
thanks.
Good luck finding one that's not pre-sold.
http://cars.com/carsapp/usatoday/?srv=parser&act=display&tf=/features/autoshow2001/production/mazda/sportwagon.tmpl
Nomi
tocan, thanks for the link to the protege5, nice car! THey have a link to a yellow MP3 too.
maltb, thanks for the price.
Concerning S-plan: Check http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/ford_partner.html for some details if you join the Experimental Aircraft Association.
BTW, I don't think any dealer will accept the S-plan for the first 6 months of the P5 and definitely not on the MP3.
I did inquire about the MP3, and they said they'd get some in at the end of next month. THey were vauge though and thin on any details, like price. They said they'd be allocated a certain number of them and that they could put my down on a waiting list for them. (I'd be first on the list they said, since there isn't a list as of yet). She also said that we could make an agreement to purchase one of the ones they'd get in, but the agreement would be contingent the car coming in a color I'd like and options I'd accept. Also, of course, it'd be contingent upon them acceptiong the S-Plan for the car. She mentioned that right now they accept S-Plan purchases for all vehicles except the Tribute, because of demand. She seemed to be setting me up for the fact that they wouldn't take it but would not say so outright.
Thanks for your information on the S-Plan. Looks like becoming a member of the eaa is a wise thing for me to do regardless, since I'll purchase an ES if the MP3 thing doesn't work out. (fingers crossed) I've heard different descriptions of exactly what the S-Plan equates to. Linda, on one of the boards here (can't remember which) said its 500 below invoice. hkchan said 250 under. My "friendly sales person" said 2% under invoice. Do we know which one it is? does it vary?
Thanks.
Just curious.
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Just for those who need to see the whole thing again.
Nice Polished Alloys
Sorry that the shots aren't the best but I didn't want to spend my whole day off taking pics of the P5.
Oh well, go here to see them:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1605334&a=12239699&f=0
I stopped by a local Mazda dealer today (New Jersey) and they said they were expecting 2 Protoge5's will come in the first week in May. I scheduled a test drive for myself as soon as they come in.
The salesman also gave me a spec sheet and price schedule sheet. If anyone wants this info posted just reply and I'll post it. I only have MSRP for the base and options because the salesman covered the invoice prices when he photocopied it..
ciao
Thanks for the pictures. They are much appreciated.
Nomi
maltb was right.
They have prices for the MP3 also.
If I were to get it, I'd be looking at $18,395 with just a few options. Man! Those anti-locks and that moonroof sure is expensive!
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Was disappointed to see you are forced to get the moon roof option if you want Antilock brakes and side airbags..
Is this just a marketing thing or do the front side airbags come out of the moonroof mechanism? (Whats this do for headroom?)
thanks
The Protege shown in the first picture doesn't seem to have a moonroof. Am I correct? What's the prospect of getting one with ABS and no moonroof? Thanks.
Glad to see that I was vindicated... thanks Henry.
Judging by the price and option grouping it's obvious that Mazda never intended to sell the 5-doors in volume.
I'll take the Mazda version, thanks.
Anyway, the Subaru Impreza Outback Sport wagon similarly equiped (minus moonroof and side airbags which are not avail) costs just approx. 1K more.
And that car comes standard with the 165 hp boxer and legendary AWD. ABS is standard too.
However using your argument, Subaru wants to sell even fewer hatchbacks than Mazda does.
I would think that a fair comparisson for this vehicle would be the Golf.
Standard equip:
Air Conditioning
Brakes, Power Front Disc
Braking System, Anti-Lock
Bumper Cover, Rear
Cargo Cover
Cargo Tray, Removable
Console w/Storage
Cup Holders, (2)
Defroster, Rear Window
Door Locks, Power
Drivetrain, AWD
Engine: 4-Cyl., 16V, SFI, 2.5 Liter
Fog Lights
Fuel Tank, 15.9 Gal. Cap.
Headlamp Control, Auto-Off
Light, Cargo Comp't.
Lights, Daytime Running & Glove Box
Luggage Rack
Mirrors, Dual Power & LH Visor Vanity
Moldings, Body Side
Paint, Two-Tone
Power Outlet, (1)
Radio, AM/FM Stereo w/CD
Restraint System, Dual Front Air Bag
Seat, Split Folding Rear
Seats, Cloth Bucket
Speed Control
Spoiler, Rear
Stabilizer Bars, F&R
Steering Wheel, Tilt
Steering, Variable Assist Power
Suspension, H.D. Raised
Tachometer
Tires, (4) P205/55VR16
Trans., 5-Spd. Manual w/Overdrive or 4-Spd. Automatic w/Overdrive
W/S Wipers, Variable Intermittent
Wheels, Alloy
Windows, Power
Wiper/Washer, Intermittent Rear Window w/De-Icer
(Req's Moon Roof-MR1) Includes Dual Front Side Impact Air Bag Restraint
System.
I wonder about the source of extra funding.
Increased prices?
http://www.autonews.com/html/main/stories/mazda416.htm
If we weren't big-booty car fanatics we would all have cars by now. Its tough being a hatchback fan in the US. I was just about to give up on all these new cars and go with a 1.8T Golf GLS with all the options for around 20K. I will test drive the Protege if it is around when I'm ready to buy. If not I'm getting some good old fashion gen X yuppy luxury; I'm going to get the Golf.
Second: as far as I know McDonalds doesn't loose money (millions) in its core business while renovating the restrooms.
Base price is $19,895 which includes ABS
There are only 3 options available, and all combinations are (theoretically) available.
Automatic transmission $1,000
Air conditioning $1,000
Moonroof $ 600
My comparison to comparably equipped ES sedans is that the hatchback is $895 more.
This is fairly comparable to the 2 liter Golf GLS (which would be about $23,000), but the 1.8T is considerably more, listing at $23,820 + $1,100 automatic + $300 sport suspension VW prices include air conditioning but not moonroof. (The VW warranty is only 2 years/40,000 km while the Protege has 3 years/80,000 km.)
Nomi
What I have found is that for many cars Canadian warranties are worse than American ones.
Nomi
I don't think that Mr. Hughes would want to cut the company's highly successful "zoom-zoom" advertising message.
Also Mazda N.A. Operations just signed a five-year, $7.5 million deal with the owners of Laguna Seca raceway in Monterey, CA. Mazda has become the title sponsor of all racing activities there.
And let's not forget that Mazda now forecasts (May release) a group net loss of $1.25 billion for the fiscal year.
I hope you're right.
Mazda deserves a bigger share of the US market.