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http://www.mazda.fi/startti/juttu_sporttispurtti323.html
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Nomi
Impreza 2.5 Sport Wagon
Base MSRP $17,495
15" Alloy Wheels $525
Fog Lamps $298
Rear Spoiler $350
Floor Mats $75
Keyless Entry $175
Destination $525
Total MSRP --> $19,443
Mazda Protege 5
Base MSRP $16,335
ABS/Side Airbags $800
Moonroof $700
Floor Mats $80
Destination $480
Total MSRP --> $18,395
The difference is that the Impreza has all-wheel-drive, while the Protege has side-impact airbags, 4-wheel disc brakes, and a moonroof. Oh, and the Impreza 2.5 Sport Wagon only comes with 195/60R15 tires, not the 205/55VR15 as stated above... those are the WRX tires.
The Subaru has more power, but also 300lbs more weight to pull around. However, they really can't be compared until the Pro5 hits the market next month... Also, IMHO, the Pro5 looks much better than the Subaru...
besides the better looks, I'm hoping the mazda will have more cargo room, and better MPG.. but like you said we'll have to wait and see..
I called a mazda dealer (Northern New Jersey) today and they told me they expect the protege 5's to arrive in 4 weeks.
And I suspect that the Protege is roomier too.
Nomi
It comes with cruise control and an ambient temperature gauge as standard equip.
Nomi
Nomi
I also haven't heard anything from the dealer I took a test drive (of the ES sedan) with, who knows that I am interested in the Protege5.
However, Maltb says that cars have arrived in Seattle, so it is possible. I can't wait.
Nomi
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/guest/php3/openframe.php3?page=newnews/newsarticle.php3?id=2456
Ummm, I'll settle for the P5.
Looks very nice.
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Thanks.
I last bought my mazda a long long time ago (a 91 mazda mx6) so I was wondering if anyone could recommend what a reasonable price is regarding documentaion fee and license/title fees at a mazda dealer these days.. I'm hoping to pay max 100 documentation, max 150 license + title.
Also, I hope to negotiate a price at least halfway between invoice and msrp.. do you think this will be hard to do because the protege5 is a new model?
They have 10 protege5's coming in, 9 will be automatic transmission, so I'll probably have to order one (dealer said that would take 6 to 8 weeks).. does this hurt or help my final price?
(I would guess help it garuntees their dealer holdback and no space to take up on the lot, but you guys probably know a lot more about this stuff than me)
Thanks as always for your posts, I enjoy reading them.
I prefer buying a used car from a private seller. No sales tax, and if the plates are up to date, then there is only a $12 transfer fee for the title and registration. The only other cost is the time you spend in line at the DMV.
Tom
Doc. Fees:
I have never understood why dealers charge a separate documentation fee. Isn't that why there is mark-up on the vehicle?
Are you going to try the S-plan?
I'm probably not going to try S-plan since participation by the dealer is voluntary.. I am very doubtful they will accept s-plan on the new protege5 for a while. If I bought cars more often I'd probably look into joining EAA..
I've watched a lot of TV in my day and I have yet to see a protege featured in a commercial..(sometimes a protege happens to help form some kinda 'V' formation behind a tribute or miata but thats all I've seen) With the limited run of protege 5's I'm wondering if Mazda will spend much money on advertising the "5-door sport".. if that's what they finally decide to call it
Magazines like car&driver, motortrend, etc will probably pick a car like the imprezza or VW Golf over the protege5 due to the lack of horse power in the p5 when they do their "2002 sport-wagon showdown".
So I'm counting on low consumer demand baby!
Tom
Maybe you should ask the lot porter next time. They tend to have more time in their positions than the "change like underware" sales people.
Thinking back to Coke's Santa adds:
"The P5s are coming, the P5s are coming!"
All that and I haven't even had my 1st cup-o-joe.
"Yes, everything is negotiable, excluding the destination charge and taxes... "
You can negotiate al the fees, but you certainly can't negotiate taxes. That's up to the state, not the dealer.
Here in VT, it's 5% of the selling price. Or, on leases, 5% of the value between the MSRP and the set residual value.
:-)
By the way, the 5 door is 170 inches long. Where did they take the room from? The trunk or interior leg room? Perhaps you have more headroom in the rear seat because of the roof line so they took it from rear legroom? Thanks.
They took it out of the trunk. BTW, low to mid 20's reflects how you drive the vehicle. Drivers of boring cars drive, well, boring.
-Mark
Also, with respect to your post #192, I wrote a mini-review of the P5 for Edmunds (contest winner deal). Go to the NY Auto Show Coverage section and look in the reviews pages. There probably won't be anything new to your eyes but I thought you may be interested anyway.
My wife and I are shopping for a new car soon and I'm really digging the P5. It's near the top of our list. We saw a few RHD models in Bermuda last summer and I remember thinking "why can't I buy this car back home?" Now I can. The Midnight Blue color is very sharp; my better half hates the yellow, unfortunately. I saw the P5 again at the NY auto show and was extremely impressed. Based on the Protege's reliability and durability record, the P5 wagon appears to be a solid deal for the $17,615 MSRP. I only hope that dealers will be willing to negotiate on price a little or I may wind up with an Elantra GT.
Thanks in advance for any info.
CJA
When someone say economy car, I think of the car's size= compact. Compact cars usually equate to cheaper price and good gas mileage.
Leo
So I called them again today, the saleman I spoke to was on vacation, and the story has changed .. now they are expecting p5's in the first week of June, all 4 are automatics, 2 blue, 1 black, 1 silver..
I then called Toms River Mazda, and they also told me their p5's were coming in first week of June.. So I doubt we'll see any in May.. but we'll see ..
For me the MSRP will be a little lower since I'm only interested in a manual transmission which I think is going to be a real headache to find.. I might end up ordering one and waiting the 6-8 weeks..
As for colors I'm with your better half .. Not into the yellow either.. The red and silver look best to me on mazdausa.com..
I read your article last week and enjoyed it..
TO NOMI: any word on the p5's in Canada yet??