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Mazda Protege5

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  • coznefxcoznefx Posts: 35
    well, regardless of the quality of info I've received from the dealer regarding the clearcoat issue, I can tell you from my own observation and experience as an owner of a Red P5 this car has clear on it. As I said in an earlier post (courtesy of sharonf) you need only look under the hood and hatch to see the difference between paint that has clear and paint that doesn't.
  • wishnhigh1wishnhigh1 Posts: 363
    if some more powerful engines are going to be available soon for this car?
  • jstandeferjstandefer Posts: 805
    There are rumors that there will be a turbo version shortly after the turbocharged Mazdaspeed Protege sedan is introduced. The rumor is that it will be all-wheel drive. I don't know how true that rumor is...


    Otherwise, I highly doubt a more powerful engine will be available. The Protege and Protege5 will be redesigned for the 2004 model year. It will move to a totally new platform shared with the redesigned 2004 Ford Focus. The engines will be a 2.0L DOHC I4 and a 160hp 2.3L DOHC I4 with Sequential Valve Timing (S-VT) and 152 lb-ft of torque. See the pic of the new engine here. Mazda has an excellent overview of the new 2.3L engine on their website (go to Vehicles... Future Models... Mazda 6 More information...).

  • markregelmarkregel Posts: 32
    The specifications of the P5 looks like a rebadged Focus to me (like other Ford-Mazda products). Does anyone know if this is the case? Considering how closely the specs match, I would be suprized if this car does not share the engine and most other major components with the Focus.
  • ggilliomggilliom Posts: 22
    Thanks for your replies, and for the rehash of a discussion covered earlier. Just a friendly reminder -- not everyone in this forum is a longtime member, and because you can't search messages, it's only natural that some topics will come up repeatedly. Hope that's OK.

    jstandefer -- thanks for the details about dealing with oxydized (sp?) red paint. That's exactly what's happened to my car. Only on the trunk, roof, and hood -- the sides seem to be doing OK. Your photos look great, and I'm going to give it a try.

    Does anyone know if the chalking would be as evident for the white P5?

    I wish I could ask my dealer to settle the clearcoat issue, but I've yet to meet a Mazda dealer (here in Columbus, OH) who knows more than I do after reading Edmunds for an hour. It's AMAZING to me how relatively little these guys know about their product. Recently, I noticed they had a 2002 refresh sitting beside a pre-refresh model. I asked about the tweeters added to the refresh, and the guy confidently said, "no, that's not standard -- it's a special kit."

    I'm convinced that when they don't know, they just make stuff up. I'll ask about the red/clearcoat, but should I trust them?

    Does anyone know if the clearcoat is indicated on the sticker?
  • sharonfsharonf Posts: 120
    Hey....sorry if I came across wrong when I said..'here we go again". I was partially involved in the back and forth on the issue during that previous discussion...and was just trying to bring the answer to you without the same debating again. From what it seems though....there's still not a definitive answer!

    I totally agree with you about the lack of product knowledge by the dealers...at least speaking of those in my area. This was one of the reasons I chose to go through CarsDirect when I bought my P5...I didn't need the dealer cuz I knew more than them! It kinda made me lose all faith in them.

    Personally it seems to me you might be better off asking mazda headquarters about the paint than the dealer...but I dunno. I can't even seem to get registered on the my mazda site for some reason!
    Good luck!
    Sharon
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    the THIRD GENERATION Mazda Protege (and Protege5) IS NOT A REBADGED FORD FOCUS. They DO NOT share ANY mechanical components with each other. What specification exactly made you even consider that the Protege and Focus are rebadged twins???????
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    Hank (the_big_h) is right. The Protege sedans and Protege 5's are (approx) 98% Japanese content and 100% made in Japan (sedans at the Hiroshima plant and P5's at the Hofu plant).
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Posts: 1,339
    The June 3 issue has an AutoFile report on the P5. AutoWeek likes the P5, so this is a pretty positive article. The only major dislikes reported by owners were: Engine rattles when cold; Needs more power; and Gearing too short for freeway.
  • timmy2k2timmy2k2 Posts: 1
    Hi, everyone, this is my first time writing- I just bought a red P5 last month. It has been great! I got a package in the mail from Mazda, but the darn thing was open and the contents gone! I wrote to the website and asked them about it, but it's been a week and I haven't heard from them. Form what i've read it sounds like this was some sort of welcome kit, with paint in it? Anyone have an idea what was in it?
  • sharonfsharonf Posts: 120
    I bought my P5 on 05/03 and just got my welcome kit yesterday. It had a "zoom-zoom magazine", a brochure on P5 accessories, and a bottle of touch-up paint. There was alos a survey regarding your thoughts on the welcome package.
    Sharon
  • ggilliomggilliom Posts: 22
    sharonf,

    Thanks for the reply. Re: car dealers -- they don't have that many unique products to sell...you'd think they'd know them inside and out. Access to the Internet makes every shopper smarter...yet they seem so unprepared (even defensive) when you ask them even simple questions. I've visited about six different brand dealerships in the last month, and each and every salesperson I've encountered has seemed only vaguely interested in answering my questions, and frequently dishonest when pressed for details.

    Anyway...I'm curious about your CarsDirect experience. Have you described it earlier on this message board? If not, can you provide any tips for a newbie? How far did you have to travel to get your car from the dealer who accepted your price?

    Any and all details welcome!

    Thanks again.
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Posts: 1,339
    I'm not a car dealer, but you have to wonder if the internet has somehow contributed to a real decline in the quality of sales staff. With the ready access to pricing info, most consumers grind every last dollar out of a new car deal, so there can't be much money in it for a salesperson. Like any low paying job, turnover and general job dissatisfaction results, and consumers are left to deal with poorly trained and unmotivated sales personnel - any thoughts on this phenomenon? As you go up the food chain to the high end dealers, the staff is much better trained and is usually more professional as well - just a case of higher profits/higher salaries netting a higher caliber of salesperson?
  • sunbyrnesunbyrne Posts: 210
    I think you'd be surprised how few auto consumers are actually armed with significant information. I know people who routinely pay sticker because they can't be bothered to do a little research first. Maybe not that smart, but not uncommon.

    And I have to say, I read everything I could find on the P5 before I actually went out and drove one, and the sales guy I actually bought from was the guy who didn't make any mistakes based on what I knew when he told me about the car, and even told me a few things I hadn't read.

    So there are at least SOME good salespeople out there.
  • mustang87mustang87 Posts: 129
    my p5 sticker says it was made in hiroshima
  • mustang87mustang87 Posts: 129
    "I think you'd be surprised how few auto consumers are actually armed with significant information. I know people who routinely pay sticker because they can't be bothered to do a little research first"

    I agree. While shopping for a corolla (sorry guys) for my mom at a large new dealership, i had seen people come in and the deals were closed in less than 15 minutes. A lot of people still pay what the salespeople tell them. And thats due to the fact that they are presented at the dealership with a fake vehicle invoice which is hundreds higher than the actuall prices. We were there for hours. I salute FORD for trying to open FORD owned dealerships but of course a lot of stealerships were against that. They knew nobody would go to them and listen to their or pay their BS prices.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    Ok....Dechipher your VIN using the following:

    http://web2.iadfw.net/emann/protegefaq/models.html


    I was under the impression that P5's were made only in Hofu, but maybe this has changed.

  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    And where are they planning to build them?

    Likely, the 6 and 2004 Pro (or will they call it the "3"?) will be built in MI. Given the past and current history of US-built Mazdas, I'm going to give them both at least a year to shake out the bugs (witness the Tribute/Escape and the Truck/Ranger, and the Navajo/Explorer 2-dr...at least the 626 has been OK...still, the past few Escort/Tracer models have been "Fordified" versions of the 323/Protege, and they managed to make them less well-put-together). Bummer. I like Mazdas. I don't like Fords. And Mazda is just recovering too.

    Well, I can hope for the best. The 6 looks like a nice vehicle (and at least it's mostly designed by Mazda, except for the V6 Duratec-derived engine, which is a Ford design). It deserves a chance. Still, I'd prefer one assembled in Japan. I guess the Ford/Mazda NA plants aren't as well managed as the GM/Toyota NA plants. Those seem to put out decent product.
  • ggilliomggilliom Posts: 22
    I own a '93 MX-6 (built in MI) and it's been a fantastic car. Other than some problems with the muffler/exhaust, which can be blamed largely on Ohio winters, it's been nearly problem free. Not bad for the first model year. 90,000 miles, and it's tight as a drum, all electrical works, and it's relatively quiet. (Ufortunately, the backseat is just too small for two kids car seats!)

    Hopefully, the new 6s will be equally sound. I have every reason to think they will be, but only time will tell. I do know that the Hondas built in nearby Marysville, Ohio, are quality vehicles.

    Re, car dealers -- I think the manufacturers need to create some kind of incentive for the dealers that allow their people to make better money on the thinner margin sales. It's fairly well known in the industry that if a person has a good experience with their first, entry-level car, they'll be very loyal to the brand and buy the more expensive (and more profitable) higher-end models.

    But despite my terrific experience with my MX-6, I'm so unimpressed with the Mazda dealer nearby (poor product knowledge, pushiness, lots of attitude)that I'm about ready to give up on Mazda and simply take advantage of one of the incredible lease offers Honda is offering on the remaining 2002 Accords.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    Where are you at? The Mazda dealers around my part of OH (Jake Sweeney, Jeff Wyler and Kings) are fair to good, depending on the salesperson. On the other hand, the Honda and Toyota dealerships are mixed. I had bad experiences at the Performance ones on Rt 4, especially at the Honda dealership, where they wanted to hold onto my driver's license for a test drive (now, does that make any sense?). They had plenty of attitude too.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    The reason they hold onto your driver's license is to make sure you return their car to them.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    They can't take your driver's license and keep it. It is illegal for anybody to operate a motor vehicle without a proper license WITH them.

    What the dealership should do is make a photocopy of your license.
  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    Maybe they're thinking you will test drive their car more sanely if you are without your license. ;-)
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    After I refused to leave my license and started leaving. Still, I felt covered by sleaze during the whole experience (the showroom felt like one of those sales "boiler rooms", if you know what I mean...fast-talk, lots of nudges to make a decision etc.). I much prefer the low-key approach that's gaining ground today, probably thanks in great part to Saturn's sales model.
  • amonteamonte Posts: 12
    Just purchased a NEW PR5 (black) w/ leather, auto stick trans, ABS and moonroof. still waiting on delivery, but I'm starting to get psyched...

    I was wondering if anyone else got the auto stick, and if so:

    1) does using the auto-stick as opposed to the regular "D" setting improve performance?

    2) When you come to a stop, does the auto-stick automatically switch back to 1st gear?

    3) Any tips for using the auto-stick? Does it have any "funny" behaviors I should no about?

    4) Generally around what RPM should you shift? What RPM should you be around for regular driving?

    sorry for the lame questions, but I'm used to letting the auto trans do all the work for me.

    Thanks.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    your post is very accurate...all of my best salespeople want nothing to do with "new" car sales. Unless it's highline...Otherwise they only work with used car sales. The low profit "new" car sales are left to the greenpeas (new salespeople). you get what you pay for..hahah

    Rich
  • ggilliomggilliom Posts: 22
    Mazdafun -- I'm in Columbus, where we have two dealers. One is Ricart, the GIANT dealer I've heard terrible things about, and the other is Byers Imports, which has a great service department, but a sales staff that acts like couldn't care less about my needs. If you're within 60 miles of Columbus, I'd love to know where these other dealers are.

    Amonte -- I test drove the autostick, and I think I recall it does shift down into 1st after a stop, but I think they assume you'll take care of it. Unlike the manual, the autostick is four speed, so I revved it fairly high to experience any significant performance difference. Sorry for the lame answers -- I only drove it for about 10 minutes. Anyone else have opinions?

    I STILL haven't seen a photo of the MP5 leather interior, and we still don't have any locally. If you're able to post (or e-mail) a few pics of your new interior, I (and others) would love to see them!
  • ggilliomggilliom Posts: 22
    I noticed only two things I didn't like when I test drove the MP5. Would love any feedback out there.

    1. (and this is minor) I found the car key difficult to unlock/release when I was done driving. It tooks a lot of pushing and wiggling. Has anyone else noticed this?

    2. I have a Miata, and the shift throws are really short and tight -- very nice. The shifter and throws seem much longer in the MP5, and a bit "less connected" feeling from the transmission. Has this gotten tiresome for any of you drivers, or do you get used to it? And do you know if it's possible (and not too expensive) to have a shorter shifter put in?
  • amonteamonte Posts: 12
    "I test drove the autostick, and I think I recall it does shift down into 1st after a stop, but I think they assume you'll take care of it. Unlike the manual, the autostick is four speed, so I revved it fairly high to experience any significant performance difference. Sorry for the lame answers -- I only drove it for about 10 minutes. Anyone else have opinions? "

    No problem - thanks for responding...I'll find out soon enough, I suppose...

    "I STILL haven't seen a photo of the MP5 leather interior, and we still don't have any locally. If you're able to post (or e-mail) a few pics of your new interior, I (and others) would love to see them! "

    The leather in these cars (in my opinion) is nice for the money. The invoice on this option is $392, which seems pretty reasonable. Keep in mind that the leather seats aren't ALL LEATHER - the seating surfaces are, but the sides are vinyl. It's not very noticeable though. All in all, they fit very well with the rest of the interior of the car. When I get it, I'll try to take some pics and post them.
  • reitrofreitrof Posts: 122
    There is a B&M shifter for the P5. I bought one but have not put it in yet. Cost is about $135.
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