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I like sunroofs too. I bet the next model year will offer them. Maybe the exhaust tip location will be reworked too. Not so sure on that one though.
Navigation system? Oh man, I would be disappointed if the car had one. As an option - sure, but that's one box I wouldn't check.
"fixed" so the traction control could not be disabled??? Why would they do this? The car from the dealer will allow this to be disabled - right??? I'm aware that TC does retard the engine when there is slipping, but I always wondered how much and how much "lag time" existed after slipping stops. That interesting.
As for the magazines - I sure wish the writers would disclose what they own. It would be very telling. I doubt they can separate their very personal car purchase from what they "review" for their job. That's human nature.
Hopefully that worked.
Regfootball, I think you completely missed the point I was making. The fact that you like the VW/Audi interiors better than the CTS's is mildly interesting, but not at all germane to my point, or to the purpose of this thread...
I think the traction control was probably fixed because it was not a fully ready demo. Perhaps they only had one test car and didn't want some idiot journalist stuffing it into a tree, or perhaps they still had some kinks to work out of it. I seriously doubt it will be delivered with undefeatable traction control. GM doesn't do this on any other vehicle they sell, and it would be a big mistake to start now.
I have similar feelings about nav systems. They are cool to show people, and useful the 1% of the time you don't know where you are going, but the other 99% of the time they would probably get quite annoying. They usually make performing other functions more complicated, like messing with the radio or climate system.
I feel that the Holden Monaro's styling is vastly superior to the Pontiac's, as I love the clean, European look of the Holden. Without the dramatic lighting (as shown on the Pontiac web site), the GTO does look rather like a Grand Am (a car I despise).
On the other hand, the GTO's interior is two notches above the photos I've seen of the Monaro. I've never liked Pontiac interiors, but this one was done EXCEPTIONALLY WELL. (I wish they had put the ignition key on the dashboard, though.)
The idea of a retro GTO just wouldn't work -- the old car didn't lend itself to a modern interpretation like the Mustang. I had been considering a Mustang after seeing the autoshow concept, however, it appears that Ford is now lousing that up as it nears completion.
So now I'm considering a GTO. Is it everything I hoped for? No. The fact that a 6-speed is a $700 option is an outrage. The car shouldn't be a dollar over $30k, especially when it lacks a sunroof.
As for the argument that a 350Z is better than a GTO or an A4 is better than a CSV, I say, buy what YOU like! Anyway, nobody can tell the difference between 0-60 in 5.4 vs. 0-60 in 5.8, so who cares? They're all nice automobiles, and my Yamaha sportbike can lay waste to any of them... LOL.
Thanks for reading -- I hope you found it interesting. Cheers!
It is too bad that a sunroof isn't available.
MSRP is $32,495 including destination
6-speed is an extra $695
Looks like the GTO will wear similar shoes to the CTS-V. 245/45's but on a 17" wheel (the CTS-V has 245/45-18's). Seems a little under-tired for all that torque, but maybe they wanted more of a GT type ride.
As far as undefeating TC on GM's - I'm on my second Grand Prix and both had a button on the dash that allows me to turn the TC off.
rjs is correct (according to my brother the mechanic). The 6 spd is more complicated and costly to build/rebuild than the venerable 4 spd auto. They also sell XX times as many of the autos as they do the 6 spds. Besides they are no dummies - enthusiasts will pay extra to get the fun.
Interestingly the 6-speed won't have the gas guzzler tax so even though it's a $695 option it will actually cost less then the auto(and get much better highway mileage) MSRP will be $33190 for the manual, $33495 for the auto w/$1000 guzzler tax.
The lack of options worries me, especially the sunroof but it does come fairly well equipped. I promised the wife that my next car would be an auto so she can drive it so that's a plus in my book.
I think the GTO will do well when compared to the G35 and hold its own with the Cobra. The S40 is in a different class. In any case, I should have plenty of options when I replace my F150 next year .
Jason
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Jason
Blech! just call it Cavalier Senior. BTW, what is going on these days with all these terrible rear quarter designs? For example, the new SAAB convertible, the Mercedes Benz C230 coupe, and the new Pontiac GTO all have these upwardly sloping waist lines, which angle upwards towards the rear of the body, making the rear wheel look undersized and puny compared to the front wheel. To understand the visual damage this stupid design trend causes, compare side views of the Acura TL concept car with those of the new Acura production TL. If you want to incorporate this kind of design element, you MUST HAVE larger diameter rear wheels and rear wheel openings on the car. The new GTO is a styling TURKEY!
Quite a first accomplishment.
Isn't it amazing that a zillion fuel hog full-size pickups and uber-SUVs get away without the penalty? No wonder too many people buy horrible inefficient trucks. I just wish trucks were treated exactly like cars from safety and fuel economy standpoint.
(it rocks!) that I forgot all about the new Goat.
Could I have missed it thinking it was Grand Prix or Grand AM? If so that's rather bad news for Pontiac in the standout styling department.
Can anyone confirm that it was there?
RJS, the EPA uses a formula to calculate overall mileage rather than a simple average of city & highway mileage.
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Mind you, the power steering rack is the only actual mechanical improvement. Don't forge the lit steering wheel controls
B. As montanafan said, TA WS6 wasn't far behind at $31,915, and that's in 2002 dollars.
C. RX8 and S2000 aren't really the target market of GTO (mid-sized two-door sport coupe as opposed to subcompact 2+2 sports car and ultracompact 2-seat convertible sports car)
C. GM doesn't sell the Lumina SS (4-door, rear-drive LS1 V-8) in U.S. at any price.
I personally think the price is pretty fair, relative to the rest of the market. That said, I haven't actually SEEN one in real life, so I'll have to put an * on that for now though.
GM officials went through the roof when they found out.
I have been trying to post the pics but haven't figure it out yet.
Anyway, the point of this post is that I can't understand how anyone would not think this car is attractive. it looks great in an understated way.
The GTO is not meant to be a cheap pony car. Its a GT machine with some amenities and a decent interior from GM for a change.
The Mustang has the performance but the back seat is useless. The same could be said of the F-body. (RIP)
The rest of them have the room but horsepower numbers well under 300 in their V6 motors.
The GTO offers performance and room for 4 in a very reasonably priced package. And the styling is clean and understated. Just what I want. To top it off, the build quality and interior are far better than most GM products.
To get the same level of performance and space, you have to go up $10K or more in any other vehicle.
To me, the GTO is quite the bargain.
There is so much legroom back there that the backseats look like they are iin another time zone.
To put things in perspective, the Camaro had 26.8" of rear legroom!
The difference is comfort for a 4'6" person or a 6'2" person.
So I wonder if a Mustang Cobra being quicker is really relevant?
Maybe they should chop a couple of inches out of the wheelbase to make it more intimate back there. LOL.
The dealers may try to bid up the prices as they have on some past autos like the Miata. Mini, PT Cruiser, even the Crossfire from what I hear rumor.
I doubt any car with a Pontiac badge could support a price much higher that the current MSRP for very long even with the magic letters GTO attached.
Patience, patience.
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I expect that they will be selling the GTO for near sticker price for quite some time.
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I want one now.
poor guys. Which means they will sell over sticker.
I bought a new '94' Z28 Camaro for 18k in 94
which was 2k below sticker.
Try doing that with a GTO?
GTO is way overpriced due to the low production.
If it sells well
when will they increase production?????
The contract with Holden is for 3 years, or so I've heard.
They should have a new one for the 2007 model year that is produced here in the states in much higher quantities.
There's plenty of pictures on various forums.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_- id=7360
Another reason why I personally will not buy a car built in a UAW factory.